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19-11-07, 21:27
Kimlikingni Bildi Bu Dunya


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2007 – Yili 14- Noyabir küni CNN, BBC, "Birleshme Xewerler" “New York Waqti”, “Boston Yer Shari” qatarliq dunyagha meshhur axbarat wasitiliri mundaq xewerni bes-bes bilen dunyagha élan qilishti:

“Alimlar Klonlan’ghan maymun tuxumidin törelme halettiki ghol hüjeyrige érishti”.

Xuddi yaghqa ot ketkendek bu xewerge "ot ketti". Dunyaning hemme yéridiki chong-kichik téléwiziye we gézit qatarliq axbarat wasitiliri bu heqte téz s‎ür’ette arqa-arqidin xewer bérishti.

Qiziq yéri shuki, mezkur tetqiqat netijisi bu yil 6-ayda Awistraliyide échilghan “Sydney Yighinida” élan qilin’ghanda hazirqidek diqqetke sazawer bolmighanidi.
13-Noyabir Seyshenbe küni En’giliyide chiqidighan dunyada nopuzi küchlük bolghan gézit - “Musteqilliq” bu tetqiqat netijisi heqqide tunji bolup xewer bérip dunya miqyasida partlash xaraktérlik qiziqishning meydan’gha kélishide piltige ot yéqish rolini oynidi.

14-Noyabir küni - Dunyadiki eng ilghar hem yéngi ilim-pen netijilirini élan qilidighan "Tebiet" jurnilida bu maqale resmiy élan qilindi.

Axbarat wasitilirining oxshash bolghan bir xil pen tetqiqat netijisige nisbeten tutqan ikki xil pozitsiyisini chüshinishke bolidu, chünki ular saxta axbarat we yalghan teshwiqatning özlirige qanchilik setchilik élip kélidighinini obdan chüshinidu. Bolupmu ular "ghol hüjeyre tetqiqati" netijilirige téximu éhtiyatchanliq bilen muamile qilishidu. Sewebi 2004-Yili Dunyani bir mehel zilzilige sélip, pütün Koriye xelqi we dölitini xushalliqqa chömdürüp hemde dunyaning diqqiti we qiziqishini özige tartip bolup qisqighine waqittin kéyin "Klon tetqiqati"da ishletken rengwazliqi ashkarilinip, öz qewmini xijaletchilik patqiqigha tiqip, dunya xelqini epsuslandurup qoyup xuddi asmandin yerge chüshkendek inawiti yerge urulup, shermendilerche "tutulup qalghan" Jenubiy Koriyelik "Saxta Alim" -- Hwang Woo-Suk hazirmu ularning éside. Shunga ular Awistraliye Monash Uniwérsitétidiki David Cram qatarliq bir türküm alimlar mezkur tetqiqatta qollan’ghan usulini qollinip, öz aldigha musteqil qaytidin tejribe qilip, uning rastliqini mueyyenleshtürgendin kéyinla, bu heqte xewer bérishte beygige chüshüshken.

Shundin kéyinki bir nechche kün ichide bu heqte yüz bergen baha we munaziriler her xil bolup, kishilerning bu netijige tutqan inkasini éniq chüshendürüp bergilimu we chüshinip bolghilimu bolmaydu. Pen-téxnika neshr epkarliridin tartip ammiwiy intérnét bloglirigiche, her xil oxshimighan diniy éqididiki kishilerdin tartip siyasiy we iqtisad sahesigiche, kishiler "heyran qélish, qayil bolush, qollash, gumanlinish, wehime we qarshi turush" tin ibaret her xil pisxik haletlerde turup sayrap kétishti.
Némishqa?
Klonlan’ghan maymun tuxumidin törelme halettiki ghol hüjeyrige muweppeqiyetlik érishish --- Janliqlarni, jümlidin insanlarnimu klonlash mumkinchilikining barliqini körsitip béridu.
Janliqlarni tebii yol bilen emes, belki sün'iy yeni téxnikiliq usul bilen köpeytishke --- dunya miqyasida dinchilar we exlaqshunaslar qarshi. Lékin Klon Téxnikisini échish we uningdin paydinilishni qollaydighanlarmu xéli bar.

Ademlerning ölüshi asasen mundaq ikki sewebtin bolidu: Biri, késel bolup ölüsh, yene biri, her xil hadise we sewebler (qatnash hadisisi, urush we tebiiy apet dégendek) tüpeylidin ölüsh.
Kishilerge ayanki, saghlam halette uzun ömür körüshke nisbeten insanlardiki arzu cheksizdur. Bu xil arzuni qandurush üchün, ademlerde bayqalghan her türlük késellerge, bolupmu “saqaytqili bolmaydu” dep qaralghan késelliklerge qarita "dawa" tépish kérek.
Dunyaning her qaysi jaylirida élip bériliwatqan "Ghol hüjeyre" tetqiqatining axirqi meqsiti mana mushu arzuni réalliqqa aylandurushtur. Melum menidin éytqanda bumu bir yügresh musabiqisige oxshaydu. Seweb-netijilik bu dunyada, bu ishningmu axirqi pellisi bar. Biraq, kim ashu pellige téz sür'ette yétip baralaydu?
Charshenbe küni élan qilin’ghan "Klonlash tetqiqati”diki netije --- pen tetqiqat saheside yaritilghan dunya xaraktirlik rékort bolup, bu bösüshning méditsinada cheksiz qollinish istiqbali bar. Shu seweblik bu pellige birinchi bolup yétip barghuchini qayilliq bilen teripleshke erziydu.

"Ghol hüjeyre" --- adem bedinini teshkil qilghuchi her bir eza we toqulmining menbesi. Alimlarning "ghol hüjeyre" ni tetqiq qilishidiki asasiy seweb - ademlerning késel bolushidiki biologiyilik seweblerni chüshinish hemde ejellik késelliklerge dawa tépishtin ibaret. Mesilen, Jigiri kardin chiqqan melum bimarni dawalimisa ölüp kétidu. Uni qutquzushning birdin-bir amali uningha saq jiger köchürüsh. Elwette, bashqilarning jigirini bulap yaki sétip alghili bolmaydu. Mustebit tüzümdiki döletlerde qetli qiliniwatqan siyasi jinayetchilerning jigirini éliwélip uni bimargha köchürgen teqdirdimu, bimarning bedini u jigerni yeklishi mumkin. Eng yaxshi tesewwur - jigerni shu bimarning özidin tirildürüsh. Buning üchün bimarning térisidin kichikkine bir parche késip élip, uningdin jiger östürüp andin bu jigerni mezkur bimarning zeip jigirining ornigha köchürüshtur. Bu qétimqi yéngiliq - Bimarning késel türige asasen uning génige mas kélidighan shu sewebtin bedini ret qilmaydighan "Ghol hüjeyre"ge Klonlash arqiliq érishkili bolidighanlighini körsetti. Biraq, bu axirqi hésabta bir ademdin özige oxshash ikkinchi we üchinchi hetta n-inchi ademlerni peyda qilishni keltürüp chiqirishi mumkin. Nawada shundaq bolsa, "Sadir palwan’gha oxshash mert, palwan ezimetler" köpeysighu yaxshi, deydu Uyghurlar, emma "Stalin"gha oxshash qanxor adem süretlik alwastilar köpeyse, insaniyetning béshigha balaning kelgini shu-de" dep wehimige chüshidu uning ziyankeshlikige uchrighan xelq. Lékin, "Sadir palwanlarning ata-anisi bolushi , uninggha mehr -muhebbet ata qilishi kérekqu? - déyishidu Exlaqshunaslar. "Qanxor bolsimu Stalinni ilah yaritishi kirek!" dep chuqan salidu dinchilar. "Bundaq tetqiqatni merkiziy hökümetning puli bilen qollimaymen" deydu dinchilar ichide asasi küchlük prezident özining nopuzining töwenlep kétishidin ensirep. "Xuddi payansiz upuqqa oxshash cheksiz pursetler yétip kelmekte" dep shölgeylirini éqitishidu téximu köp pul tépish oyida bio-téxhnikigha meblegh salghuchilar.
Ular öz munazirisini qilishiwersun.
Mezkur tetqiqat netijisige nisbeten Uyghurlarning inkasini chüshendürüsh hajetsiz!
Deydu ular bir eghizdin:
Bizning Shöhret katta ish qiptu, yapir!
Hemmeylenning köngli sezmekte küchlük pexr!

Xosh, "tutsa sépi bar, atisa éti bar" mezkur tetqiqat netijisini qolgha keltürgüchi, nöwette pütün alemning közi tikilgen alim, Shöhret Mutellip - özining awazini anglitip bolalmaywatqan, kimlikini dunyagha bildürelmeywatqan Uyghur atliq xelqning sap pushtidindur. Mana bu chong muweppeqiyetliri bilen u özini tonutti we özi kélip chiqqan xelqning mewjutluqini yene bir qétim dunyaning yadigha saldi.

Biz - Uyghur alimi Shöhret Mutellipning dunyawi netijisini tebriklep, uningdin pexir hés qiliwatqinimizda, Uyghurlar qedimdin özining küchlük medeniyet tesirini körsitip yashap kelgen Qazaqistan almuta we uningdin 30 kilométir yiraqliqtiki -Uyghur Mehellisi "Awat" ta yashawatqan Muzepper Aka we Jennetxan Hedige aliy hörmet we semimiy tebrikimizni bildürüshke tégishlikmiz!.

Ularning yene bir perzenti - Shöhret Mutellipning singlisi Maysem xanimmu (hazir MIT da ghol hüjeyre tetqiqat xizmiti ishleydu) ghol hüjeyre tetqiqatida dunyada aldinqi qatardiki alim bolup hésablinidu.

Bu yil yazda bular bilen bir necche ret körüshtüm, shöhbette boldum.
Ularning atisi Muzepper Mutellip aka uqumushluq, parangxumar, chiqishqaq adem, anisi Jennetxan hede xushxuy, mulayim kelgen ayal iken. Ular manga özlirining Qazaqistandiki kechürmishliri we Sowét parchilan’ghan mezgilde aka-singil ikkisining oqush üchün Moskwada tartqan japalirini sözlep berginide - Meyli dunyaning qaysi yeride yashimisun, dunyada Uyghurning ata -aniliridek güzel we méhriban qelbge ige ata-anilarning az tépilidighanliqini, mushundaq öz perzentlirige mislisiz méhr-muhebbet we pidakarliq körsiteleydighan xelqning kelgüsining haman parlaq bolidighanliqigha yene bir ret ishendim.

Bir adem üchün we xelq üchün yüz bériwatqan ishlar asasen ikki türlük bolidu. Bir türlük ish bar, sen öz wujudung, sap, semimiy niyiting, emgiking we iradeng arqiliq tesr qilip, u ishing netijisini özgerteleysen, yeni netijisini kontrol qilalaysen. Yene bir türlük ishlar, sen ishlarni her qanche qilsangmu özgertelmeysen, séning iradengge baqmaydu-de, sen uni ilahning hökümige qoyisen. Mushu menidin éytqanda, her birimiz qandaq ish bolushidin qet'iy nezer, qiliwatqan ishimizni qolimizning uchida qilmay, téyizliqtin qutulup chongqur oylap, köprek ter aqquzushumiz lazim. Eger kimde-kim ishlarning ichide muhimini tutalmaydiken, ajizliqning uningha rodupaydek chaplashqini chaplashqan. Ajizliqtin qutulushning eng ünümlük yoli - Ilim-Meripetke we ilghar pen-téxnikigha tayinishtur. Bu bir millet üchün shundaq, bir shexs üchün téximu shundaq!

Uyghur perzenti - Shöhret Mutellip özining yaratqan netijisi arqiliq - "Uyghurlar" naxsha-ussulghila mahir, emma ajiz millet" dep qaraydighanlarning yadigha belgilik shara'it astida Uyghurlarning bashqilar qilalmighan, qilalmaydighan ishlarnimu qilalaydighan mol tepekkur we ijadi qabiliyetke ige xelq ikenlikini sélip qoydi, elwette.

Qazaqistanda tughulup chong bolup, Rosiyede aliy bilim élip, Amérikida tetqiqat élip bérip alemshumul zeper quchqan Uyghur alimi - Shöhret Mutellip yene Dunyaning herqaysi jaylirida yashawatqan Uyghurlargha nisbeten shanliq bir ülge we ijabiy derslik.


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Unregistered
19-11-07, 22:16
Bu alimimizning Uyghurlighini peqet bizla bilduqmu ya bashqa milletlermu bildimu? Bu alimimiz toghriliq yezilghan hechqandaq xewerde men bu ademni Uyghur dep yazghan yerni kormigentim. :)

Unregistered
19-11-07, 22:47
Alimgha yuquri hormet bildurimen. Alimgha tehimu yuquri bilim we paraset tileymen.

Likin Google ge kirip Alimning ismi bilen Uyghurni qoshup izlisem
Biliwal we wetenning ichidiki tor betlirila chiqti.

Unregistered
20-11-07, 04:12
bolsa enggilische we bashqa tildiki sehipilerge kiridighan ziyalilirimiz ALIM SHORET MUTELLIP toghruluq ilmiy maqale yazsanglar.

""SHOHRET MUTELLIP UYGHUR"" dep alghan bolsanglar uyghurlarni tonutushqa paydisi yaxshi bolattikentuq.


bu alimimiz QAZAQSTANNING UYGHUR-RAYON AQSU -AWAT yezisida tughulghan.

zkurban
20-11-07, 04:49
Nima digan adamni suyunduridighan hawer bu. Biz Uyghurlarningmu dunyada kad koturalaydighanlighimizni ispatlaptu. Biz Shorat Mutallipning natijilliridin pahirlinimiz. Bu obzurni balillirimizgha okup berip ualrni ilhamlandurayli wa kaddini koturali.
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NEW YORK (AP) -- Gleaning stem cells from cloned monkey embryos, as a team of Oregon researchers has done, is an impressive step. But it probably won't lead to medical treatments any time soon.


Scientists merged skin cells of a rhesus macaque male with unfertilized monkey eggs that had the DNA removed.

One hurdle is ethical and political. The destruction of human embryos to produce stem cells has aroused opposition to human embryonic stem cell research, and it led the Bush administration to restrict federal funding for it. Scientists say that has slowed science in this effort.

Another hurdle is the inefficiency of the process. Even if the method described by scientists Wednesday works in humans, it would demand too much of a precious resource -- women's unfertilized eggs.

The promise of producing stem cells by cloning is that they can be genetically matched to a particular patient. So theoretically, doctors should be able to transplant tissue created from them into that person without tissue rejection. And presumably, such transplants could help treat such conditions as diabetes and spinal cord injury.

The process used in the new experiment is "quite inefficient," Shoukhrat Mitalipov of the Oregon National Primate Research Center in Portland told reporters Wednesday.

He and his colleagues reported getting two batches of stem cells that required using about 150 monkey eggs apiece. That's far too many if one hopes to use human unfertilized eggs, which are cumbersome to obtain from women.

If further work can get that down to maybe five to 10 eggs per stem cell batch, "we will be closer to clinical applications," Mitalipov said.

"I am quite sure it will work in humans," he added.

But then there's another issue -- showing that such stem cells really can be used to treat diseases safely. Mitalipov said he plans to do diabetes studies in monkeys.

For now, he and other scientists said, the new work is valuable for showing that stem cells can be produced through cloning in monkeys. It's been done in mice, but scientists had long been frustrated in their attempts in primates, where the research would be more relevant to humans.

The new work was published online Wednesday by the scientific journal Nature. The success was reported earlier this year at a research meeting in Australia, where it received limited media coverage. The results were given new attention Tuesday by a London newspaper, The Independent.

Dr. George Daley of the Harvard Stem Cell Institute, who was familiar with the work, told The Associated Press in an e-mail that it was a "a very important demonstration" that the process is feasible in primates.

Mitalipov's team merged skin cells of a 9-year-old rhesus macaque male with unfertilized monkey eggs that had the DNA removed. The eggs, now operating with DNA from the skin cells, grew into early embryos in the laboratory. Stem cells were recovered from these embryos.

The researchers have applied for a patent on their procedure.

Mitalipov said separate experiments obtained monkey stem cells from a different process called parthenogenesis, in which an egg grows into an early embryo without any genetic contribution from a male. The stem cells were genetic matches to the females that produced the eggs, he said, and early experiments suggest stem cells derived this way may someday prove useful for treating disease in women.

Nature took the unusual step of asking a separate group of scientists to verify Mitalipov's cloning results, and it published the verification along with Mitalipov's paper.

In an e-mail, the journal cited the highly publicized 2004 fraud that came out of South Korea, where researchers led by Hwang woo-Suk claimed to have produced stem cells from a cloned human embryo.

The journal said the research to verify Mitalipov's findings didn't signal mistrust, but noted that questions would likely be raised, and "we view this as a relatively straightforward way of putting these questions to rest."

The verification study, by David Cram and others at the Monash University in Australia, used DNA analysis of the male macaque, the two monkeys whose eggs were used to create embryos, and the stem cells. The result "demonstrates beyond any doubt" that the stem cells came from cloned embryos, the Australians wrote in their Nature paper. E-mail to a friend

Unregistered
20-11-07, 14:14
Bu yerde bu alimni Uyghur disun dimisun u anche muhim ix emes, muhim bolghini uning insaniyetke qoshqan muhim tohpisidur.


Bu alimimizning Uyghurlighini peqet bizla bilduqmu ya bashqa milletlermu bildimu? Bu alimimiz toghriliq yezilghan hechqandaq xewerde men bu ademni Uyghur dep yazghan yerni kormigentim. :)

Unregistered
20-11-07, 18:35
Menu bu alim toghriliq yezilghan englische maqalilardin uning uyghur ikenligige ayit hichqandaq uchur tapalmidim we bu alimni tonushturup yazghan bir maqalining aptorigha xet yezip surushturdim. Aptorning eytishiche muxbirlarni kutiwilish yighinida alimdin qaysi milettin ikenligi soralghanda ozini ros milliti digen.
Oylap qaldim, bu alim ozining Uyghur ikenligini bilemdighandu yaki itrap qilamdighandu?

Unregistered
20-11-07, 19:02
Bu yerde bu alimni Uyghur disun dimisun u anche muhim ix emes, muhim bolghini uning insaniyetke qoshqan muhim tohpisidur.

bu ghelite logika iken. insaniyetke tohpe qoshsa siz xosh boliwatamsiz?

bezi xitaylar insaniyetke tohpe qoshqan dep eytilidu bezi maqalilarda. siz shu xitaylardinmu bek xosh bolup ketken oxshaysiz qarighanda?

insaniyetke tohpe qoshup, ozining Uyghur ikenlikini bildirrelmigen herqandaq uyghurek nolge teng. undaq Uyghurliqini itirap qilalmaydighan we Uyghurdin numus qilidighan kishidin nimishke xosh boliwatqanliqingizni ozingizmu bilmeysiz. qeni tarazigha olturghidek jawap qilalamsiz?

Unregistered
20-11-07, 19:36
Adette ilmi netijilerni elan qilghanda tetqiqatchilar ozlirining millitining nime ikenligini ilan qilmaydu, muhbirlar kutush yighinidimu hem shundaq. Chunki pen-tehnika netijilliri hemme insaniyetke tewe bolup millet ayrimaydu hem ayrimaslighi kirek. Muhbirlarning uning millitini sorighanlighi yalghan. Hech bir videolarda uning milliti soralghan emes.

Beziler uning ballirining ismini Amrikichi qoyghinigha naraziliq bulduruptu (bashqa websaytlarda). Ulargha deydighinim Amrikida ballirigha Amrikichi isim qoyghanlar u yalghuz emes. Heli kop Uyghurlar ballirigha Amrikichi isim qoyughluq. Amrikigha dunyaning herqaysi yeridin kelgen hemme millet hetta hittaylarmu buyerde tughulghan ballirigha adette amrikiche isim qoyidu. Ularning milliti adette famili ismidin bulinidu. Uyghurche isim qoyghan yahshi ish likin ballarning ismi haman bir kuni Amrikiche isimgha aylinidighanlighimu tosqili bolmaydighan yulinish. Siz balingizgha Uyghurche qoyghan bilen balingizning balisigha Ughurche qoyishi natayin. Dunyadiki hemme millet bizdek oz kimligini, milli isimlirini saqlap qalghusi bar. Ishinimenki hemme millletning kochemenliri bizge ohshash oz isimlirini ishlitishke tirishidu. Likin bu yerde tughulghan qanche Greek, Russ, Italian, Turk, Jananese, Korean, Hittayning birinchi isimliri oz millitining? Shunga birsi ballisigha Amrikiche isim qoyghanghila uni Uyghur emestek muamile qilish hata. Uyghurche isimlarning kop sandikiliri erepche yaki parische isimlarghu? Birsining Uyghurlighi ismi bilenla putmeydu. Uyghur pushtidin bolghan birsining Uyghurlighidin uzi qechipmu qutilalmaydu bashqilar tartipmu tartip alalmaydu.


Menu bu alim toghriliq yezilghan englische maqalilardin uning uyghur ikenligige ayit hichqandaq uchur tapalmidim we bu alimni tonushturup yazghan bir maqalining aptorigha xet yezip surushturdim. Aptorning eytishiche muxbirlarni kutiwilish yighinida alimdin qaysi milettin ikenligi soralghanda ozini ros milliti digen.
Oylap qaldim, bu alim ozining Uyghur ikenligini bilemdighandu yaki itrap qilamdighandu?

Unregistered
20-11-07, 20:03
Gezittiki maqalida alimni "a russian native" dep chushenduriptiken. Maqalini yazghan aptorning bildurshiche muxbirlarni kutiwilish yighinida alim ozini russian dep tonushturuptiken.



Adette ilmi netijilerni elan qilghanda tetqiqatchilar ozlirining millitining nime ikenligini ilan qilmaydu, muhbirlar kutush yighinidimu hem shundaq. Chunki pen-tehnika netijilliri hemme insaniyetke tewe bolup millet ayrimaydu hem ayrimaslighi kirek. Muhbirlarning uning millitini sorighanlighi yalghan. Hech bir videolarda uning milliti soralghan emes.

Beziler uning ballirining ismini Amrikichi qoyghinigha naraziliq bulduruptu (bashqa websaytlarda). Ulargha deydighinim Amrikida ballirigha Amrikichi isim qoyghanlar u yalghuz emes. Heli kop Uyghurlar ballirigha Amrikichi isim qoyughluq. Amrikigha dunyaning herqaysi yeridin kelgen hemme millet hetta hittaylarmu buyerde tughulghan ballirigha adette amrikiche isim qoyidu. Ularning milliti adette famili ismidin bulinidu. Uyghurche isim qoyghan yahshi ish likin ballarning ismi haman bir kuni Amrikiche isimgha aylinidighanlighimu tosqili bolmaydighan yulinish. Siz balingizgha Uyghurche qoyghan bilen balingizning balisigha Ughurche qoyishi natayin. Dunyadiki hemme millet bizdek oz kimligini, milli isimlirini saqlap qalghusi bar. Ishinimenki hemme millletning kochemenliri bizge ohshash oz isimlirini ishlitishke tirishidu. Likin bu yerde tughulghan qanche Greek, Russ, Italian, Turk, Jananese, Korean, Hittayning birinchi isimliri oz millitining? Shunga birsi ballisigha Amrikiche isim qoyghanghila uni Uyghur emestek muamile qilish hata. Uyghurche isimlarning kop sandikiliri erepche yaki parische isimlarghu? Birsining Uyghurlighi ismi bilenla putmeydu. Uyghur pushtidin bolghan birsining Uyghurlighidin uzi qechipmu qutilalmaydu bashqilar tartipmu tartip alalmaydu.

Unregistered
20-11-07, 21:24
U uyghur bolsila bu kupaya. Hiq bir alim ozi man bu millat u millat dap irkqilik kilmaydu. Ozining bir insan ikanligini wa putun insaniyatning bahti uqun hismat kiliwatkanlighini bilidu. Alimlar ozining kaysi millatligini axkara takitlisa ozini quxuriwalidu. Ahir undak alimlarning tarjimahali yezildu xu qagha hamma ix eniq bolidu.

Insanlargha axundak tohpa koxalaydighan Uyghurlar kop qiksa andin ozimizni tonutkanningmu ahmiyti bolidu. Sakal wa burutimiz arkilik "man uyghur, turkistan, turkistan, musulman" dap har kanqa sayrisakmu "Turikministanmu?" dap soraydu.

Koplap alimlar, tantarbiyaqilar, sanatqilar barlikka kalsa. San bizdak on ming adap kiqa kunduz kangxighandin, axundak adamning bir eghiz sozi artuk bolidu.


bu ghelite logika iken. insaniyetke tohpe qoshsa siz xosh boliwatamsiz?

bezi xitaylar insaniyetke tohpe qoshqan dep eytilidu bezi maqalilarda. siz shu xitaylardinmu bek xosh bolup ketken oxshaysiz qarighanda?

insaniyetke tohpe qoshup, ozining Uyghur ikenlikini bildirrelmigen herqandaq uyghurek nolge teng. undaq Uyghurliqini itirap qilalmaydighan we Uyghurdin numus qilidighan kishidin nimishke xosh boliwatqanliqingizni ozingizmu bilmeysiz. qeni tarazigha olturghidek jawap qilalamsiz?

Unregistered
20-11-07, 21:29
Bezide towa dep kalimen.hazirki dewirde milletchilik kanche eghir bolsa shunche terekki kilghili bolmaydu ( pen-tihnika jehette).bu sorunda u kishi kandak yengilik yartiptu ?insanlargha kandak paydilik terepliri barken ? deydighan kishiler yok deyerlik boliwatidu.bu bizning nadanlighimiz , elwette bu hoshal bolushka tegishlik ish .ishlar tehi emdi bashliniwatidu,soghak kan bolishimiz we taket kilishimiz kerek.u kishini terbiyeligen okutkuchuliri u kimken ? uyghurmu yaki rossmiken ? demigen bolghitti.Elim bolighi tolimu chongkur ,echilmighan sirlar tolimu kop . elim-penge nisbeten kosakni keng tukmisak yenila kalak milletler katarida sanilip kalimiz.emdi u kishining ailisini balisini surushte kilip nime kilisen?hazirki uchur dewrida ,hawer wastiliri bir kishini bir kundila asmangha uchirip dunyagha tonitiwitidu , yene bir kundila sesitip yer bilen yeksek kiliwitidu.

Unregistered
20-11-07, 21:46
Bu millet toghriliq gep, <<Kimlikingni Bildi Bu Dunya>> degen mawzugha qarap chiqti, chunki bu mawzu boyiche bolghanda bu alimimizning kimligini putun dunya bilip bolghanliqi chiqidu, elwette bunchilik alimimizning chiqqanlighidin pexirlinimiz, lekin bu Uyghurche xewer ademge <<xinjiang geziti>> de berilgen xewerni eslitidiken.

Eger bu adem Qazaqistanda chong bolmay, wetinimizde chong bolghan bolsa mushunchilik bulalarmidi degen xiyal esimge kep qaldi, elwette bu yerde wetinimizde chong bolghan alimlarni chushurush meqsidim yoq, lekin yenilam sharaitning bir ademning osup yetilishige qandaq muhim tesir korsitidighanliqini koruwelishqa bolidu.


U uyghur bolsila bu kupaya. Hiq bir alim ozi man bu millat u millat dap irkqilik kilmaydu. Ozining bir insan ikanligini wa putun insaniyatning bahti uqun hismat kiliwatkanlighini bilidu. Alimlar ozining kaysi millatligini axkara takitlisa ozini quxuriwalidu. Ahir undak alimlarning tarjimahali yezildu xu qagha hamma ix eniq bolidu.

Insanlargha axundak tohpa koxalaydighan Uyghurlar kop qiksa andin ozimizni tonutkanningmu ahmiyti bolidu. Sakal wa burutimiz arkilik "man uyghur, turkistan, turkistan, musulman" dap har kanqa sayrisakmu "Turikministanmu?" dap soraydu.

Koplap alimlar, tantarbiyaqilar, sanatqilar barlikka kalsa. San bizdak on ming adap kiqa kunduz kangxighandin, axundak adamning bir eghiz sozi artuk bolidu.

Unregistered
20-11-07, 22:04
bu qandaq mentiqe? Eger u ozini uyghur dep tonimisa, dunyamu uyghur dep bilmise, uning bir chet'ellik alimdin nime perqi qaldi ? bizning pexirlinip olturushimizning nime keriki?

insaniyet uchun tohpe qoshsa bizning nime ishimiz, insaniyetning ghemini qiliwatqan dunyada kurming adem bar? bu wezipe uyghurgha chushkini yoq.

Eger bir adem beshi asmangha taqiship ketsimu, Uyghurluqidin tansa, uning Uyghur uchun bir tiyinge paydisi yoq.

men u alim(imiz)ni millitidin tanmighandu dep oylaymen. emma bu meydandiki bezi gepler kishini gumangha salidu.
millitidin tenish ata-anisidin tenish bilen oxshash, eger u rast bolsa, bu yerde u kishining gepibi qilip olturishimizning hajiti yoq.

mushu kunlerde hemmidin bek alimliri(miz)gha vijdan tileydighan boldum.


Bu yerde bu alimni Uyghur disun dimisun u anche muhim ix emes, muhim bolghini uning insaniyetke qoshqan muhim tohpisidur.

Unregistered
20-11-07, 22:11
Top toghra gep kildingiz, muhit eng muyum bir mesile, shunga bu meydanda bolumsuz ishlargha taliship,hili yapondiki uyghurlarni tillap, hili bir alimimizning balisining isiminining amirikiche bop kalghinini taliship olturmay, mushu cheteldiki yahshi sharettin paydilinip balilirimizni yahshi terbiyilishimiz kirek dep oylaymen.




Bu millet toghriliq gep, <<Kimlikingni Bildi Bu Dunya>> degen mawzugha qarap chiqti, chunki bu mawzu boyiche bolghanda bu alimimizning kimligini putun dunya bilip bolghanliqi chiqidu, elwette bunchilik alimimizning chiqqanlighidin pexirlinimiz, lekin bu Uyghurche xewer ademge <<xinjiang geziti>> de berilgen xewerni eslitidiken.

Eger bu adem Qazaqistanda chong bolmay, wetinimizde chong bolghan bolsa mushunchilik bulalarmidi degen xiyal esimge kep qaldi, elwette bu yerde wetinimizde chong bolghan alimlarni chushurush meqsidim yoq, lekin yenilam sharaitning bir ademning osup yetilishige qandaq muhim tesir korsitidighanliqini koruwelishqa bolidu.

Unregistered
20-11-07, 22:23
Mening millitim bu dese irqchiliq bolmaydu.
Alimlar ozining millitini tekitlise ozini chushuriwalidighan ish yoq, yoshursa chushuriwalidu.
dunyada oz keshpiyatlirigha millitining yurtining namini bergen misallar kop.

Herqanche chong mojize yaritiwetip men Rus degen kishidin, saqal-burutini korsitip turup men uyghur degen kishi qedirlik we aliyjanaptur. dunyada pushtidin tenishtin nomush ish yoq.

Uyghurning bugun doliti yoq, muweppeqiyet qazanghanlarni mukapatliyalmaydu, quruq maxtap qoyushtin bashqa ish yoq, u maxtashmu bulung-pushqaqlardiki maxtash, chong metbuaalar yoq bizde . shunga bu payda chiqmaydighan milletke ozini tewe qilghusi kelmigen gep. bu yerde, insanperwerlikke, alimning onwirsalliqigha baghlap pedezleshning hajiti yoq.
tanghanlar ketiwersun, peshigha esiliwelishning hajiti yoq(men uyghur de dep) . bundin keyin allah bizge hem alim hem adem ziyalilar ata qilghay.




U uyghur bolsila bu kupaya. Hiq bir alim ozi man bu millat u millat dap irkqilik kilmaydu. Ozining bir insan ikanligini wa putun insaniyatning bahti uqun hismat kiliwatkanlighini bilidu. Alimlar ozining kaysi millatligini axkara takitlisa ozini quxuriwalidu. Ahir undak alimlarning tarjimahali yezildu xu qagha hamma ix eniq bolidu.

Insanlargha axundak tohpa koxalaydighan Uyghurlar kop qiksa andin ozimizni tonutkanningmu ahmiyti bolidu. Sakal wa burutimiz arkilik "man uyghur, turkistan, turkistan, musulman" dap har kanqa sayrisakmu "Turikministanmu?" dap soraydu.

Koplap alimlar, tantarbiyaqilar, sanatqilar barlikka kalsa. San bizdak on ming adap kiqa kunduz kangxighandin, axundak adamning bir eghiz sozi artuk bolidu.

Unregistered
21-11-07, 00:20
Mening millitim bu dese irqchiliq bolmaydu.
Alimlar ozining millitini tekitlise ozini chushuriwalidighan ish yoq, yoshursa chushuriwalidu.
dunyada oz keshpiyatlirigha millitining yurtining namini bergen misallar kop.

Herqanche chong mojize yaritiwetip men Rus degen kishidin, saqal-burutini korsitip turup men uyghur degen kishi qedirlik we aliyjanaptur. dunyada pushtidin tenishtin nomush ish yoq.

Uyghurning bugun doliti yoq, muweppeqiyet qazanghanlarni mukapatliyalmaydu, quruq maxtap qoyushtin bashqa ish yoq, u maxtashmu bulung-pushqaqlardiki maxtash, chong metbuaalar yoq bizde . shunga bu payda chiqmaydighan milletke ozini tewe qilghusi kelmigen gep. bu yerde, insanperwerlikke, alimning onwirsalliqigha baghlap pedezleshning hajiti yoq.
tanghanlar ketiwersun, peshigha esiliwelishning hajiti yoq(men uyghur de dep) . bundin keyin allah bizge hem alim hem adem ziyalilar ata qilghay.

Ishtlar qawaweridu, karwanlar ketiweridu, harmay-talmay tirship, quruq gepni az qilip, gheywet-shikayetelerghe arilashmay japaliq ilgirliyeligendila , ahiri menzilge yetidighan gep.

trishchan uyghur, pis-pas gheywet, quruq geplerge pisent qilmay, tirishchanlighingni dawamlashtur!!!!!!!!

jemiyetshunas
21-11-07, 00:34
Ishtlar qawaweridu, karwanlar ketiweridu, harmay-talmay tirship, quruq gepni az qilip, gheywet-shikayetelerghe arilashmay japaliq ilgirliyeligendila , ahiri menzilge yetidighan gep.

trishchan uyghur, pis-pas gheywet, quruq geplerge pisent qilmay, tirishchanlighingni dawamlashtur!!!!!!!!

hich kishi mejburlimisa, banada namim chiqip qalarmu, dep xiyal qilip, bu yerge "kimlikingni bildi bu dunya", dep tema qoyup bir nerse chaplaysiz. ghit qisip kitiwersingizmu, sizni bu yerge chaplimidi, dimeydighu?

Uyghur digen gep arliship qalsa, mushundaq arlishidighanlar chiqidu. buni birer shexs, gerche doktur yaki milyoner bolsimu, tosap qalalmaydu. Uyghurlarning musteqilliq herkiti bundin kiyin teximu kuchiyidu, bundin kiyin Uyghur digen gepke Uyghurlar teximu bek arlishiwalidu.

kitiwersingiz kitiwering, bye-bye!!!!

Unregistered
21-11-07, 01:33
Eger alim uyghurluq salahitini real duyagha ashkarlisa, biz uningdin pexirlinishke shertimiz toshidu we "kimligingni bildi bu dunya" dep waqirashqa heqliqmiz, chunki biz-yeni uyghur topi-bilen u alim ottursida mewhum baghlinish bar bolghan bolidu. Bu mewhum baghlinishning aldinqi sherti, Alimning uyghur topigha tewe ikenligini itrap qilish qilmasliq mesilisi. Eger alim ozining uyghur ikenligini inip idape qilmisa, uyghurlarning uni uyghurdin chiqqan-alim dep pexirlinishke sherti toshmaydu.



Ishtlar qawaweridu, karwanlar ketiweridu, harmay-talmay tirship, quruq gepni az qilip, gheywet-shikayetelerghe arilashmay japaliq ilgirliyeligendila , ahiri menzilge yetidighan gep.

trishchan uyghur, pis-pas gheywet, quruq geplerge pisent qilmay, tirishchanlighingni dawamlashtur!!!!!!!!

Unregistered
21-11-07, 05:39
Eger alim uyghurluq salahitini real duyagha ashkarlisa, biz uningdin pexirlinishke shertimiz toshidu we "kimligingni bildi bu dunya" dep waqirashqa heqliqmiz, chunki biz-yeni uyghur topi-bilen u alim ottursida mewhum baghlinish bar bolghan bolidu. Bu mewhum baghlinishning aldinqi sherti, Alimning uyghur topigha tewe ikenligini itrap qilish qilmasliq mesilisi. Eger alim ozining uyghur ikenligini inip idape qilmisa, uyghurlarning uni uyghurdin chiqqan-alim dep pexirlinishke sherti toshmaydu.



Alim ozini uyghur dep etirap qilghanlighi uchun, singnisi Maysem mutellip bilen ikkisini RFA ning bir nechche ay ilgiri , elip barghan ziyaret proggirammisidin,( RFA din) anglang.

ular UYGHUR-RAYONINING AQSU-AWAT yezisida tughulghan bolup dadisi uyghur tarixshunasliqni TASHKENNT te oqup putturgendin keyin , chong sheherde qalmay ozi tughulup osken ,ashu kichikkine yezisigha qaytip kelip .uyghur tarix uqutquchisi bolup bir omur ishleptu. balilirimu uyghurche ana tili bilen osup yetiliptu.

sewzide hewer yoq gurush dem yepketiptu dep. alim oz ishliri bilen aldirash .

biz bu yerde bikardin bikar waqitni israp qilip bu alim uchun tehlil elip barghanning neme paydisi? GEP AZ BOLSUN, ISH JIQ BOLSUN.

Unregistered
21-11-07, 11:20
hurmetlik qeyser ependim nime uchun bu maqalingizgha obzur dep isim qoyuwaldingiz obzor disingiz bek debdebilik anglinamdiken ya .obzur digen nime ?obzor qandaq bolushi kerek bu heqte kuprek chushenchige ige bolup andin isim qoyghan bolsingiz yahshi bolarken .hey mushu kalforniye tereplerde oquwatqan kawapmu kuymeydighan ziqmu kuymeydighan yolni talliwalghan uyghur ziyaliliri biliwal torgha kiriwilip maqalini obzor, qoyni kala.kalini mozay dep bichare helqimizni bek ahmaq qilip ketiwatisiler jumu .huddi teniwaz hotunlardek hitaygha qarita tene gep qilip ,chettin aylinip digendek del sorungha merkizi idiyege kelelmey hey amerkidek dimukratik dewlette yashawatqan bichariler.ingiliz tilini we dersliringlarni shunche yahshi ugunupsiler emma engilizlarning heqni heq naheqni naheq deydighan gachchide pichaq kesip gep qilidighan ehwalini tehiche ugunup bolalmaywatisiler .hitaygha qaratqan daritma gepliringlar bilen wetendiki helqni elleylep turghuninglar bilen bizdek chetediki amerkiliqlarning pishikisini bilidighan kishiler mawu adash gepning poskallisini dise bolmamdighandu dep qalidikenmiz .bundin keyin oghul balidek mundaq yurugingizni yeripla jaqqide yezinge sadighang ketey qerindishim .hotun kishidek dartma gepliringiz ademning ichini bek pushurwetti.

Qeyser
21-11-07, 11:39
--- Hormetlik Ependim/Xanim: (Texellusingizni "Jemiyetshunas" dep qoyupsiz, ismingiz we jinsingiz iniq bolmighanliqtin ependim/xanim diyishke toghra keldi, kechurung!)

Bu mening bu tema heqqide tunji qetim inkas qayturushum.

(hich kishi mejburlimisa, banada namim chiqip qalarmu, dep xiyal qilip, bu yerge "kimlikingni bildi bu dunya", dep tema qoyup bir nerse chaplaysiz)

Men Qeyser Mijit bolimen.

Aldi bilen sizning semingizge salidighinim:
1. Men bu maqalini mejburen yazghinim yoq, Shohret Mutellipning netijisini tebriklep oz ixtiyarim bilen yazghan. Maqalini men bu yerge chaplimidim, ishenmisingiz IP ni tekshurup korelisingiz, tekshurup korung. Uni kochurup chaplaydighangha nede waqit bar deysiz, zorlap bir nime yezish bir yerde tursun.

2. Mining chushunushumche "Nam" digen nersini tilep yaki telmurup alidighan nerse emes, belki xelq we jemiyet biridghan nerse, xuddi koruwatqinimizdek. Men "nam mestanisi emes" hem Namning manga kiriki yoq. Xiyalimghimu kirip chiqmaydu chunki mende nam ilishqa erzigudek qabilyet we tohpe yoq. Men oz emgigimge chushluqla bir nerse telep qilidighan adem, "osurup olturup uning awazida tugmen chogilitiwatimen" deydighanlardin emes.

(ghit qisip kitiwersingizmu, sizni bu yerge chaplimidi, dimeydighu?)

--- Bu gepliringizni oylinip beqing, sel iship kettimu qandaq? Pakitsiz halda guman bilen sozliginingiz uchun menmu ikki eghiz layighida jawap birip qoyay didim-yu, emma boldi qildim, buningliq bilen "gep qilishni uqmaydiken" dep oylisingizmu meyli.

Siz biz oz'ara dushmen emes, axirqi hisapta yenila qerindash. Belki siz yaxshi adem bolushingiz mumkin, konglingizge azar bergum yoq. Emdi heqiqi menide chong bolidighan yerge kelduq.

(Uyghur digen gep arliship qalsa, mushundaq arlishidighanlar chiqidu. buni birer shexs, gerche doktur yaki milyoner bolsimu, tosap qalalmaydu. Uyghurlarning musteqilliq herkiti bundin kiyin teximu kuchiyidu, bundin kiyin Uyghur digen gepke Uyghurlar teximu bek arlishiwalidu)

---Bu toghrisida manga ders otmisingizmu bolidu. Ishlarni her halda sizchilik chushunush imkaniyitim bar. Chaqni chogilitiwatqan sizla emes. Shoxret Mutellip ozining
Uyghurlighidin pexrlinidighan Uyghur. Biz emdi uning Uyghurlighini Uyghur emeslerge bildurushke terishiwatimiz. "Uyghurlighingni bilmeptu Dunya, epsus" dep yezishning hajiti yoqqu deymen.

(kitiwersingiz kitiwering, bye-bye!!!!)

--- Tonushmay turupla "bye-bye" lap ketkiningiz taza bolmidi, ozingizni bir tonushturup biqinge, xalisingiz. Belkim uchriship qalsaq, salamlisharmiz.
----

Qeyser
21-11-07, 11:45
Belkim jawap qayturushum artuqchidur.
Dewitingizge rexmet.
Sizge tewsiyerim -
Bundin kiyin yazghanlirimni oqumayla otup kiting, shundila ichingiz pushmaydu.
Ismingiz bilen kirip yezip biqinge, men izdinip sizning qanchilik "erkeklik" qilip gepning poskallisini, ishning yoghinini qilghiningizni bilip qalay. Eger, yaxshi ishni kop qilghan bolsingiz sizdin ugunimen, mubada "qalpaqqa chushluq Qirghiz yoq" bolsa, gepliringizge pisent qilmay otup kitimen.

Hormet bilen,
Qeyser


hurmetlik qeyser ependim nime uchun bu maqalingizgha obzur dep isim qoyuwaldingiz obzor disingiz bek debdebilik anglinamdiken ya .obzur digen nime ?obzor qandaq bolushi kerek bu heqte kuprek chushenchige ige bolup andin isim qoyghan bolsingiz yahshi bolarken .hey mushu kalforniye tereplerde oquwatqan kawapmu kuymeydighan ziqmu kuymeydighan yolni talliwalghan uyghur ziyaliliri biliwal torgha kiriwilip maqalini obzor, qoyni kala.kalini mozay dep bichare helqimizni bek ahmaq qilip ketiwatisiler jumu .huddi teniwaz hotunlardek hitaygha qarita tene gep qilip ,chettin aylinip digendek del sorungha merkizi idiyege kelelmey hey amerkidek dimukratik dewlette yashawatqan bichariler.ingiliz tilini we dersliringlarni shunche yahshi ugunupsiler emma engilizlarning heqni heq naheqni naheq deydighan gachchide pichaq kesip gep qilidighan ehwalini tehiche ugunup bolalmaywatisiler .hitaygha qaratqan daritma gepliringlar bilen wetendiki helqni elleylep turghuninglar bilen bizdek chetediki amerkiliqlarning pishikisini bilidighan kishiler mawu adash gepning poskallisini dise bolmamdighandu dep qalidikenmiz .bundin keyin oghul balidek mundaq yurugingizni yeripla jaqqide yezinge sadighang ketey qerindishim .hotun kishidek dartma gepliringiz ademning ichini bek pushurwetti.

Unregistered
21-11-07, 13:41
bu qeyser degen kim emdi?bu yerde ismini yazsa yaki yazmisa nime munasiwiti anchemunche nami bolsighu bilisiz ,nami bomisa Emet demdu Semet demdu kim bilidu.?

Unregistered
21-11-07, 16:38
Siz bashkhilarning yazmisigha baha birishtin burun aldi bilen bashlanghuch mektepning 3-sinipigha berip chikit (.) bilen pesh (,) belgusini khaandak ishlitishni uginip kiling. 9 yeshingizda uginip bolishingiz kirek bolghan nersini hazirghiche uginip bolalmighan ademning hech nersige baha birish salahiti toshmaydu.


hurmetlik qeyser ependim nime uchun bu maqalingizgha obzur dep isim qoyuwaldingiz obzor disingiz bek debdebilik anglinamdiken ya .obzur digen nime ?obzor qandaq bolushi kerek bu heqte kuprek chushenchige ige bolup andin isim qoyghan bolsingiz yahshi bolarken .hey mushu kalforniye tereplerde oquwatqan kawapmu kuymeydighan ziqmu kuymeydighan yolni talliwalghan uyghur ziyaliliri biliwal torgha kiriwilip maqalini obzor, qoyni kala.kalini mozay dep bichare helqimizni bek ahmaq qilip ketiwatisiler jumu .huddi teniwaz hotunlardek hitaygha qarita tene gep qilip ,chettin aylinip digendek del sorungha merkizi idiyege kelelmey hey amerkidek dimukratik dewlette yashawatqan bichariler.ingiliz tilini we dersliringlarni shunche yahshi ugunupsiler emma engilizlarning heqni heq naheqni naheq deydighan gachchide pichaq kesip gep qilidighan ehwalini tehiche ugunup bolalmaywatisiler .hitaygha qaratqan daritma gepliringlar bilen wetendiki helqni elleylep turghuninglar bilen bizdek chetediki amerkiliqlarning pishikisini bilidighan kishiler mawu adash gepning poskallisini dise bolmamdighandu dep qalidikenmiz .bundin keyin oghul balidek mundaq yurugingizni yeripla jaqqide yezinge sadighang ketey qerindishim .hotun kishidek dartma gepliringiz ademning ichini bek pushurwetti.

jemiyetshunas
22-11-07, 00:51
Qeyser Xanim/Ependim,

Sizning nime mexsette ozini Uyghur dimigen bir ademni, Uyghur digenti, dep yalghan xewer tarqitishingizning sirini, ozingizla bilisiz. Egerde u doktur ozini Uyghur dimigen bolsa, siz nime mexsette Uyghur digenti, digen yalghanni yayisiz? Uyghurluqidin ghurur his qilghan adem, ozini her waqit Uyghur diyeleydu.

Siz qarighanda IP address digenlerni bek belen bilidighan oxshaysiz. lekin "osurup olturup tugmen chogilitiwatqan" yaki emeslikingizni siz emes, bashqilar bahalisiun. egerde siz chaq chogilitiwatqan bolsingiz, chaqni qayaqqa chogilitiwatqanliqingizni bashqilarmu koridu, shundaqqu?

toghra deysiz, emdi biz heqiqi menide chong bolishimiz kirek, sizmu shuning ichide. biz beribir qerindash. shuning uchun bolsimu, oyliship ish qilayli, shundaqqu?

aygha chiqmighan ademni, aygha chiqirip keldingiz. sizge oxshash hushyardin birsi, sirni echip tashlighan edi, yughushturwettingiz. bikardin bikar bir qisim insanlarning keynidin, sizning groppidikiler burmunche yalghan gep, ushshaq soz, gheywet, pitne-pasat tarqitishtingiz. qolingizdin kelse, xitaygha oyun qoyup berishtingiz.

Egerde bek yaxshi adem bolsingiz, bilimingizni elip, ozingizning Uyghurlirigha paydiliq ishlarni qiling, hergiz artuqche gep qilmang. bolmisa bashqilarmu oxshash shekilde gep qilalaydighanliqini bilip qaldingiz.

Sizge artuq gepim yoq, gepimni yaxshi chushunup kiteleysiz.




--- Hormetlik Ependim/Xanim: (Texellusingizni "Jemiyetshunas" dep qoyupsiz, ismingiz we jinsingiz iniq bolmighanliqtin ependim/xanim diyishke toghra keldi, kechurung!)

Bu mening bu tema heqqide tunji qetim inkas qayturushum.

(hich kishi mejburlimisa, banada namim chiqip qalarmu, dep xiyal qilip, bu yerge "kimlikingni bildi bu dunya", dep tema qoyup bir nerse chaplaysiz)

Men Qeyser Mijit bolimen.

Aldi bilen sizning semingizge salidighinim:
1. Men bu maqalini mejburen yazghinim yoq, Shohret Mutellipning netijisini tebriklep oz ixtiyarim bilen yazghan. Maqalini men bu yerge chaplimidim, ishenmisingiz IP ni tekshurup korelisingiz, tekshurup korung. Uni kochurup chaplaydighangha nede waqit bar deysiz, zorlap bir nime yezish bir yerde tursun.

2. Mining chushunushumche "Nam" digen nersini tilep yaki telmurup alidighan nerse emes, belki xelq we jemiyet biridghan nerse, xuddi koruwatqinimizdek. Men "nam mestanisi emes" hem Namning manga kiriki yoq. Xiyalimghimu kirip chiqmaydu chunki mende nam ilishqa erzigudek qabilyet we tohpe yoq. Men oz emgigimge chushluqla bir nerse telep qilidighan adem, "osurup olturup uning awazida tugmen chogilitiwatimen" deydighanlardin emes.

(ghit qisip kitiwersingizmu, sizni bu yerge chaplimidi, dimeydighu?)

--- Bu gepliringizni oylinip beqing, sel iship kettimu qandaq? Pakitsiz halda guman bilen sozliginingiz uchun menmu ikki eghiz layighida jawap birip qoyay didim-yu, emma boldi qildim, buningliq bilen "gep qilishni uqmaydiken" dep oylisingizmu meyli.

Siz biz oz'ara dushmen emes, axirqi hisapta yenila qerindash. Belki siz yaxshi adem bolushingiz mumkin, konglingizge azar bergum yoq. Emdi heqiqi menide chong bolidighan yerge kelduq.

(Uyghur digen gep arliship qalsa, mushundaq arlishidighanlar chiqidu. buni birer shexs, gerche doktur yaki milyoner bolsimu, tosap qalalmaydu. Uyghurlarning musteqilliq herkiti bundin kiyin teximu kuchiyidu, bundin kiyin Uyghur digen gepke Uyghurlar teximu bek arlishiwalidu)

---Bu toghrisida manga ders otmisingizmu bolidu. Ishlarni her halda sizchilik chushunush imkaniyitim bar. Chaqni chogilitiwatqan sizla emes. Shoxret Mutellip ozining
Uyghurlighidin pexrlinidighan Uyghur. Biz emdi uning Uyghurlighini Uyghur emeslerge bildurushke terishiwatimiz. "Uyghurlighingni bilmeptu Dunya, epsus" dep yezishning hajiti yoqqu deymen.

(kitiwersingiz kitiwering, bye-bye!!!!)

--- Tonushmay turupla "bye-bye" lap ketkiningiz taza bolmidi, ozingizni bir tonushturup biqinge, xalisingiz. Belkim uchriship qalsaq, salamlisharmiz.
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Turdi Ghoja
22-11-07, 11:57
Shohret Mitalipov uzining Uyghur ikenligidin tan'ghini yoq. Uni uzini Rus didi diguchiler "chala mollam ishek olturuptu" digendek Englischini chushenmey turup qarisigha perez qilghanlar. Englishche maqalidiki "Russian native" digen gep uni "Rus milliti" digen gep bolmaydu belki "Russiyelik" digenlik bolidu. Russiyede Rus millitila bolmaydighanlighini hemme adem bulidu. Meslen siz Amrikia gerejdani bolsingiz bashqa bir dowletlerge barsingiz sizni Amrikiliq deydu, u digenlik sizning Uyghur bolghanlighingizni inkar qilghanliq bolmaydu. Kop sandiki chet'ellikler hittaydin kelgen hemme ademni, yeni Uyghur, tibet, mongol digendek bashqa milletlernimu "Chinese", yeni "Hittayliq" deydu. Peqet az sandiki Uyghur we Tibetlerni yahshi bulidighanlirila "Uyghur", "Tibet" dep perqlenduridu.

Shohretni uzining millitini teshwiq qilmidi dep aghrinish ahmiqaniliq. Hech qandaq Alim uzining ilmi netijillirini elan qilghanda uzining qaysi millettin bolghanlighini bille ilan qilmaydu. Likin qizziqqan kishiler bashqa menbelerdin buliwalalaydu. Bireylen Shohret Mitalipov bilen Uyghur digenni bille quyup google qilsam peqet Uyghur menbesidikidin bashqa yerlerdi bille tilgha elinmaptu didi. Shu kishige tekliwim bashqa "Uyghurlighi itrap qilinghan" Uyghur tetqiqatchillirinimu shundaq izdep beqing, ishinimenki ularmu ohshashla peqet Uyghurlarning websitisi we Uyghurlarning paliyitige dair maqalilardila "Uyghur" digen soz bilen bille tilgha elinidu.

Men Shohret ependimni kormigen bolsammu uning dadisi we singlisi bilen bir sorunda bolghan, paranglashqan. Uning ahilisidikiler nayiti milli engi kuchlik ademler iken. Uning dadisi Bostonda Uyghurche doppini beshidin chushirmey kiyip yuruydiken. Singlisi Uyghurchini shundaq yahshi sozleydiken, bizdiki kop sandiki minkaohanlerge qarighanda yahshi sozleydiken. Akisinimu heli yaman emes sozleydu deydu. Ashundaq bir ata-anilar chong qilghan ademning uzining Uyghur millitidin bolghanlighidin tanidu dise ishenmeymen. Buyerdiki mesle bezilerning konglining heddidin ziyade nazukligidin kilip chiqiwatidu.

Shohret ependimge tehmimu kop utuqlar tileymen!!
Turdi


Qeyser Xanim/Ependim,

Sizning nime mexsette ozini Uyghur dimigen bir ademni, Uyghur digenti, dep yalghan xewer tarqitishingizning sirini, ozingizla bilisiz. Egerde u doktur ozini Uyghur dimigen bolsa, siz nime mexsette Uyghur digenti, digen yalghanni yayisiz? Uyghurluqidin ghurur his qilghan adem, ozini her waqit Uyghur diyeleydu.

Siz qarighanda IP address digenlerni bek belen bilidighan oxshaysiz. lekin "osurup olturup tugmen chogilitiwatqan" yaki emeslikingizni siz emes, bashqilar bahalisiun. egerde siz chaq chogilitiwatqan bolsingiz, chaqni qayaqqa chogilitiwatqanliqingizni bashqilarmu koridu, shundaqqu?

toghra deysiz, emdi biz heqiqi menide chong bolishimiz kirek, sizmu shuning ichide. biz beribir qerindash. shuning uchun bolsimu, oyliship ish qilayli, shundaqqu?

aygha chiqmighan ademni, aygha chiqirip keldingiz. sizge oxshash hushyardin birsi, sirni echip tashlighan edi, yughushturwettingiz. bikardin bikar bir qisim insanlarning keynidin, sizning groppidikiler burmunche yalghan gep, ushshaq soz, gheywet, pitne-pasat tarqitishtingiz. qolingizdin kelse, xitaygha oyun qoyup berishtingiz.

Egerde bek yaxshi adem bolsingiz, bilimingizni elip, ozingizning Uyghurlirigha paydiliq ishlarni qiling, hergiz artuqche gep qilmang. bolmisa bashqilarmu oxshash shekilde gep qilalaydighanliqini bilip qaldingiz.

Sizge artuq gepim yoq, gepimni yaxshi chushunup kiteleysiz.

Unregistered
22-11-07, 12:15
Uyghur Alimi Shohret Mitalip Bilen Söhbet




So'al teyyarlighuchilar: Aptap, Tashpolat Rozi
Uyghurche so'allarni In'gilizchige terjime qilghuchi we In'glizche jawablarni Uyghurchigha terjime qilghuchi Qeyser Mijit.


1. Biliwal tori sizni wetendiki xelqimizge tonushturghandin kéyin, sizdek bir Uyghur alimining barliqidin pexirlendi, bolupmu yéqinda dunya metbu'atlirida siz toghriliq élan qilinghan xosh xewerlerdin téximu xosh boldi. Aldi bilen ötünidighinimiz: addiy til arqiliq xelqimizge öz xizmitingizdin azraq chüshenche bersingiz.
Our fellow Uyghurs who are avid readers of biliwal.com were excited to find a world class Uyghur scientist like yourself. Would you please describe your research in a plain language to them?

Jawab: Uyghurlirimning méning tetqiqat netijilirimge bolghan yuqiri bahasini körüp men hem shadlandim hem pexirlendim. Bilishinglar mumkin, men bir biologiyechi bolup tetqiq qilidighinim hamilining deslepki yétilishi we ghol hüjeyridin ibaret bolup asasliq qiziqidighinim ghol hüjeyrining insanlardiki késellerni dawalashtiki yoshurun küchi heqqididur.
I was very excited and proud to find out that my fellow Uyghurs highly regard my research accomplishments. As you may know I am a biologist and study an early embryonic development and stem cells. Particularly, I am interested in the potential of stem cells in treating of human diseases.

2. Sydneydiki yighinda beziler sizni “yétildürülgen ES ning normal törelme hüjeyrisi (embryo cell) bilen bolghan birikish iqtidarini sinap körmigen”, dégen. Bu yerde éytilghan “sinaq” toghruluq azraq chüshenche bergen bolsingiz.
During the Sydney Conference some scientists tried to challenge your research results by saying “you did not test the cells for their ability to become incorporated into tissue when mixed with a normal embryo, a key feature of ES cells”. Could you please explain this “test” mentioned above to us?

Jawab: Törelme halettiki gol hüjeyrini normal halettiki törelme bilen birleshtürgende, chimerani shekillendürüsh iqtidari - peqet chashqanlarghila xas. Chashqanda bolidighan ES hüjeyrisining bu alahidiliki adette bash ghol hüjeyrining yoshurun iqtidarini sinashta ishlitilidu. Men hazirghiche bashqa janliqlardiki ES hüjeyrisining CHIMERA peyda qilalaydighan qabiliyitining barliqi heqqide maqale körmidim. Shunga hazirche, Chimera tejribisini qollinip adem we maymunlarning ES hüjeyrisini sinaq qilishqa bolmaydu dep qaraymen.
The ability of embryonic stem cells to form a chimera when mixed with a normal embryo is unique to the mouse. This property of mouse ES cells is often used to test the potential of novel stem cell lines. I am not aware of any report showing that ES cells from any other species are capable of contributing to chimeras. Therefore, chimera experiments cannot be used for testing of human or monkey ES cells.


3. Sizning qarishingizche yétildürülgen törelme ghol hüjeyrilirini emili dawalashqa ishlitish üchün yene qanchilik waqit kétishi mumkin? Hel qilishqa tégishlik yene qandaq mesililer bar?
Can you please give us an estimated time for derived embryonic stem cells to be allowed to use in the clinical treatment? What are the precursory conditions for medical professionals to be able to do that?

Jawab: Mushu yéqin kelgüsidiki 5-10 yil ichide biz haywanlarning ténide ghol hüjeyre asasidiki addiy dawalash we bahalashlarni élip baralaymiz dep ishinimen. Mubada uning netijisi kishini qayil qilarliq bolsa, kilinkilik sinaqlar uzaqqa qalmayla ilip bérilidu.
I believe in 5-10 years we should be able to conduct and evaluate several basic preclinical applications of stem cell based therapies in nonhuman primates. If the outcomes are encouraging, the clinical trials will follow soon.

4. Hazir “klonlash” déginimiz, bir hüjeyrining yadrosini élip, yadrosizlan'ghan bashqa bir hüjeyrining ichige jaylashturush arqiliq bolidu. Emma, hüjeyre plazmisiningmu irsiyetlik ikenliki melum. Undaqta plazma irsiyiti klonning netijisige tesir körsitemdu-yoq? Eger tesir körsetse, klonlinip chiqqan yéngi janliq (yaki eza)ning eslidiki (yadro teminligen) janliq bilen opmu-oxshash bolushi mumkinmu?
It is understood that “Cloning” refers to taking the nucleus from one cell and localizing it into a new one, which wipes out its nucleus. It is also known that cell plasma also has its own inheritances that transmit independently. Given the above, does it have influences on cloning process and its outcome? Would it be possible that the cloned individual is the same as the original cell?

Jawab: Ktoplasmiliq DNA mitochondria din kélidu, shunga Klonlanghan hüjeyre yaki organizmdiki Mitochondria liq DNA ning hemmisini démigendimu köpinchisi tuxumdin kélidu. Mushu nuqtidin éytqanda, Klonlar eslidiki klon qilinghan yadroluq organizmdin perqlinidu.
The cytoplasmic DNA comes from the mitochondria and therefore in cloned cells or organisms most if not all mitochondrial DNA comes from the egg. So in this regards, clones are different than original nuclear donor organism.

5. Bu téxnika bir qisim kishiler teripidin “Adem klonlash” üchün ishlitilish éhtimalliqi nahayiti yuqiri. Buni ünümlük kontrol qilishning téxnikiliq tedbiri barmu? Sizche, eger ünümlük kontrol qilinmisa qandaq aqiwetler kélip chiqishi mumkin?
It is thought by some that this technique will be used on cloning humans in the near future. Are there any effective measures that prevent human cloning from happening? What are the potential consequences that human cloning will bring to mankind?

6. Bezilerde “klon téxnikisi arqiliq Hitlérge oxshashlar klonlap chiqilishi mumkin”, deydighan endishiler mewjud. Bu ish téxnika jehettin mumkinmu?
Some people worry that demons like Hitler may be "created" by applying cloning technique. Is this possible?

7. Klon téxnikisi insanlarning exlaq qarishi, diniy étiqadi qatarliqlargha qandaq tesirler körsitishi mumkin?
What kind of impact will cloning technique have on human society? Do you think that cloning technology will affect people's ethical philosophy and shake their religious beliefs?

Jawab: Qayta köpiyish xaraktérlik Klonlash téxnikisining qanunluq ishlitilishige qarita, nurghun döletlerde keskin bes-munaziriler bar. Ademlerde qayta köpiyish xaraktérlik klonlash élip bérishning sewebliri da'im dinchilar we bezi axbarat wasitiliri teripidin burmilinip kéliwatidu. Emeliyette, némishqa bezi ademlerning Klon'gha éhtiyaj ikenligini chüshinishke bolidu. Buninggha éhtiyajliq ademler topi - öz pushtidin bala élishni oylaydighan lékin alalmaydighan "tughmas"lar, oxshash jinsliqlar, boytaq kishiler, hemde yéshi chongiyip ketken lékin i'ane qilinghan ispirmidin bala ilishni xalimaydighan ayallar, ejellik késelge giriptar bolghan perzenti we yaki ölüp ketken perzentining otida qayghuruwatqan, shunga qayta perzentlik bolush oyidiki ata-anilar, hemde a'ilisidiki melum bir ezasida tertipsiz Gén késili bolghan we yaki ejellik késelliklerning génini élip yürgenlerge qarita méditsina jehette dawa tépishni oylaydighan ata-anilarni öz ichige alidu.
Buningdin körüp yiteleysizki, qayta köpiyish xaraktérlik Klonlashni Hitlérge oxshash ademlerni Klonlashqa baghlash hajetsiz, gerche u "méngisidin azghan" bezi alimlarning qolida xeterlik téxnikigha aylinip qélish mumkin bolsimu. Yadro qorallirigha nisbetenmu shundaq mumkinchilik barghu?.

Insanlarni Klonlash mesilisini nöwette bashqa janliqlardin érishilgen netijidin chiqish qilip oylashsa muwapiq bolidu. Omumen éytqanda, alimlar keng da'irilik nurghun qétim sinaqlarni élip barghan bolsimu emma, Klon arqiliq yaritilghan ewladlarda körünerlik derijide gheyriy normal ösüp yétilish mesilisidek qiyinchiliq mewjud, bolupmu chashqan we kalilarda bu mesile gewdilik. Bizning Maymungha qarita ishligen sinaq tejribimizge asaslanghanda, süt emgüchi haywanlarda ishlitilidighan tejribe duch kelgen téxnikiliq qiyinchiliq oylighinimizdikidinmu musheqqetlik bolup chiqti. shunga bizning "qayta köpiyish xaraktérlik Klonlashni ademlerde élip baralamsiler we qollinamsiler? dégen so'algha béridighan jawabimiz késip éytqanda birla - Yaq! chünki, uning mümkinchiliki töwen, hamilige nisbeten xewp-xeter qobul qilghusiz derijide yuqiri, hemmidin muhimi, Ademlerni Klonlashqa nisbeten qayil bolghudek seweb yoq. Yuquridiki jawablar tebi'iy halda bizni qayta köpiyish xaraktérlik Klonlash Klinika jehettin ehmiyetlik emes, hemde undaq qilish pat yéqinda mumkinmu emes dégen xulasige bashlaydu, xalas.
In humans, the legitimate use of reproductive cloning is still topic of heated debates and discussions in many countries. The reasons for reproductive cloning in humans are very often distorted by religious or yellow press.

In reality, the reasons why some people would want reproductive cloning could be very understanding. This might include patients who want to but can’t be biological parents, lesbians and gays, heterosexuals-singles and couples where the women is older and does not want to participate in IVF with donor eggs, grieving parents who want to reproduce a terminally ill or deceased child, parents who want a match for a sibling for medical purposes, and finally couples in which one member has a genetic disorder that is not desirable to propagate or are carriers of lethal recessive genes. So, as you can see, the reasons for reproductive cloning are not necessary to be focused on cloning of Hitler. Although, it can become a dangerous technology in hands of mad scientists. But so is a nuclear power.

The question of can we clone humans is best considered in the context of current results available from other species. In general, significant developmental problems still characterize cloned offspring despite extensive experience, especially in mice and cattle. .Based on our experience with monkeys, the technical challenges in primates are much more daunting than originally anticipated. So, our answer to can and should we apply reproductive cloning in humans is an emphatic NO, because feasibility is low, risk to the embryo/fetus is unacceptably high, and there is no persuasive reason to clone. This leads to the prediction that reproductive cloning in humans will not be clinically significant or feasible any time soon.




(Emdi bizni sizdin bezi xususi so'allarni sorashqa yol qoyghaysiz, xususiyliq hoquqi qanunigha xilapliq qilmasliqqa wede birimiz. Xelqimiz biliwal tori arqiliq sizning tatliq we güzel chong boluwatqan Linda, Nergiz we söyümlük oghlingiz Paul larning barliqini bildi. Mushu menidin éytqanda, Sizning Uyghur qérindashliringiz baliliringizning ismining Uyghurche yaki emeslikini bilishni xalaydu, bu heqte sözlep bérelemsiz?
Now please allow us to ask you some private questions. We promise we will not violate any privacy law. Our people have learned via biliwal.com that you have two beautiful daughters, Linda, Nergiz and a lovely son, Paul. They are curious to know if your kids were given Uyghur names. Can you tell us about your kids' names?

Jawab: Mining Oghlumning birinchi ismi - Paul, emma Uyghurche ismi (otturanchi ismi) - Adil. U hazir 6 yashta. Nargiz hazir 9 yashta bolup uning otturanchi ismi - Danielle.

Chong qizim Linda bextke qarshi 2004-yili 16 yéshida qaza qildi.
My son’s first name Paul but his Uyghur (middle) name is Adil. He is six. Nargiz is 9 and her middle name is Danielle.

Linda died in 2004, she was 16.


9. Wetendiki aliy mekteplerde ximiye we bi'ologiye kesiplirini yaxshi oqup püttürgen Uyghur yashliri xéli kop. Sizning wetendiki bu yaxshi oqughan qérindashliringiz ichidin Amérikigha teklip qilip oqutush pilaningiz barmu?
There are many excellent Uyghur students in our homeland who majored in Chemistry and Biology. Have you ever thought of providing some of them with the opportunity to study here in the USA?

Jawab: Elwette men Uyghurumdin bolghan iradilik oqughuchilarning USA kélip ilim tehsil qilishigha xushalliq bilen yardem qilishni xalaymen.
I would be happy to help our Uyghur students to come and study here in USA.

10. Éytishlargha qarighanda Uyghurlar hemme qit'ege orunlishiptu. Mushu ammiwi sorun arqiliq ulargha bolupmu Uyghur yashlargha deydighan sozingiz barmu?
It is said that nowadays Uyghurs reside in almost all continents. Do you have anything to say to them, particularly to Uyghur youth via this platform?

Jawab: Men shu kemgiche wetinimge bérip baqmidim, hetta ana tilim - Uyghur tilini sistémiliq öginidighan pursetmu bolmidi (Eyni chaghda Roslarning chong milletchilik siyasiti tüpeylidin, kichikidin rusche oqushqa mejburlanghan - Izahat) Lékin bir nuqta éniq: - Men Uyghur bolghanliqimdin pexirlinimen hemde bu xelqning bir ezasi bolghanliqimdin özümni bextlik hés qilimen, shunga men her da'im balilirimgha özimizning ulugh medeniyiti we shanliq tarixini ögitishke térishimen!
I have never been in my motherland and did not have an opportunity to learn my own Uyghur language. However, I am very proud and honored to be a part of Uyghur people and teach my kids to love our great culture and history.


Menbe: www.biliwal.com

yumur
22-11-07, 15:44
Bu ziyaret xatirisini kurup, aldida uzini sel yoqutup qoyup suzligenler uzini uzi kachatlighusi kiliwatqandu herqachan....shunga oynap suzlisengmu oylap suzle digen gepbar emesmu...heyheyhey....

Unregistered
22-11-07, 20:58
Turdi,
Aqni aq , qarini qara deyli.
Bu yerde netijisige qetip millitini elan qilsun degen gep yoq ( shundaq qilsimu xata ish emes, bolupmu milliti zulum chekiwatqan bir alim uchun), bashqilar milliting nime dep sorisa, men uyghur desun degen telep boluwatidu, uyghurluqidin pexirlinidighanliqi rast bolsa.
Men rosiyelik desun, men ros milliti desun, oxshashla mesile, Uyghurluqini yoshurghanlqi yaki tilgha almighanliq.

Shundaq, Uyghur muhitida chong bolmaptu, ozining uyghurluqini bilidiken, hazirche chong umit ketmeyli desek bu toghra .

Men bu alimni tonushturup yazghan maqalining aptorining meqsitinimu alimgha " kimlikingni bilsun bu dunya " dep esige seliwatidu dep chushunimen.




Shohret Mitalipov uzining Uyghur ikenligidin tan'ghini yoq. Uni uzini Rus didi diguchiler "chala mollam ishek olturuptu" digendek Englischini chushenmey turup qarisigha perez qilghanlar. Englishche maqalidiki "Russian native" digen gep uni "Rus milliti" digen gep bolmaydu belki "Russiyelik" digenlik bolidu. Russiyede Rus millitila bolmaydighanlighini hemme adem bulidu. Meslen siz Amrikia gerejdani bolsingiz bashqa bir dowletlerge barsingiz sizni Amrikiliq deydu, u digenlik sizning Uyghur bolghanlighingizni inkar qilghanliq bolmaydu. Kop sandiki chet'ellikler hittaydin kelgen hemme ademni, yeni Uyghur, tibet, mongol digendek bashqa milletlernimu "Chinese", yeni "Hittayliq" deydu. Peqet az sandiki Uyghur we Tibetlerni yahshi bulidighanlirila "Uyghur", "Tibet" dep perqlenduridu.

Shohretni uzining millitini teshwiq qilmidi dep aghrinish ahmiqaniliq. Hech qandaq Alim uzining ilmi netijillirini elan qilghanda uzining qaysi millettin bolghanlighini bille ilan qilmaydu. Likin qizziqqan kishiler bashqa menbelerdin buliwalalaydu. Bireylen Shohret Mitalipov bilen Uyghur digenni bille quyup google qilsam peqet Uyghur menbesidikidin bashqa yerlerdi bille tilgha elinmaptu didi. Shu kishige tekliwim bashqa "Uyghurlighi itrap qilinghan" Uyghur tetqiqatchillirinimu shundaq izdep beqing, ishinimenki ularmu ohshashla peqet Uyghurlarning websitisi we Uyghurlarning paliyitige dair maqalilardila "Uyghur" digen soz bilen bille tilgha elinidu.

Men Shohret ependimni kormigen bolsammu uning dadisi we singlisi bilen bir sorunda bolghan, paranglashqan. Uning ahilisidikiler nayiti milli engi kuchlik ademler iken. Uning dadisi Bostonda Uyghurche doppini beshidin chushirmey kiyip yuruydiken. Singlisi Uyghurchini shundaq yahshi sozleydiken, bizdiki kop sandiki minkaohanlerge qarighanda yahshi sozleydiken. Akisinimu heli yaman emes sozleydu deydu. Ashundaq bir ata-anilar chong qilghan ademning uzining Uyghur millitidin bolghanlighidin tanidu dise ishenmeymen. Buyerdiki mesle bezilerning konglining heddidin ziyade nazukligidin kilip chiqiwatidu.

Shohret ependimge tehmimu kop utuqlar tileymen!!
Turdi

Unregistered
23-11-07, 04:12
Turdi,
Aqni aq , qarini qara deyli.
Bu yerde netijisige qetip millitini elan qilsun degen gep yoq ( shundaq qilsimu xata ish emes, bolupmu milliti zulum chekiwatqan bir alim uchun), bashqilar milliting nime dep sorisa, men uyghur desun degen telep boluwatidu, uyghurluqidin pexirlinidighanliqi rast bolsa.
Men rosiyelik desun, men ros milliti desun, oxshashla mesile, Uyghurluqini yoshurghanlqi yaki tilgha almighanliq.

Shundaq, Uyghur muhitida chong bolmaptu, ozining uyghurluqini bilidiken, hazirche chong umit ketmeyli desek bu toghra .

Men bu alimni tonushturup yazghan maqalining aptorining meqsitinimu alimgha " kimlikingni bilsun bu dunya " dep esige seliwatidu dep chushunimen.


nime digen tugumigen ushshaq gep bu.

alim oz ishliri bilen aldirash. uning ozini nime dep elan qilishidin qeti nezer, uninggha qiziqquchilar alimning qaysi millettin ikenligini ozliri biliwalaydu. we tarihlargha yezilidu.

emdi ichimizdin chiqqan alimimiznimu bir az ghajap, tatlimalmisaq uyqumiz kelmeydighan ohshaydu.
bu uyghur digen zadi qandaq millettu ?

Unregistered
23-11-07, 04:24
Top toghra gep kildingiz, muhit eng muyum bir mesile, shunga bu meydanda bolumsuz ishlargha taliship,hili yapondiki uyghurlarni tillap, hili bir alimimizning balisining isiminining amirikiche bop kalghinini taliship olturmay, mushu cheteldiki yahshi sharettin paydilinip balilirimizni yahshi terbiyilishimiz kirek dep oylaymen.

ha disila qataldiki xaraittin yahxi paydilinip balilarni yahxi tarbilisak daydikan,gap kandak tarbilaxta oz millitini tunimaydighan kimligini bilmaydighan bala tarbilligandin watanda kotni kisip jim oltaghan yahxi haywannimu yaratkuqi riski bilan yaratkan.

Unregistered
23-11-07, 04:26
bu uyghur digen zadi qandaq millettu ?





shu sizdak bir millatken kaydak kighuluk amdi...........

Turdi Ghoja
23-11-07, 12:58
Bashqilar "milliting nime" dep soridimu yaki bashqa bir nime dep soridimu buni biz bilmeymiz. Bu gepler bireylenning mushu sorunda "shohretni bir maqalida Russian native (Rusiyelik) deptu" digen gepidin kilip chiqti. Men aldinqi hepte Shohret ependim tilghan elinghan bir neche maqale oqudum, TV hewerlirini kordum, emmma hech qaysida uning nedin kelgenligi yaki milliti toghruluq bir nerse diyilmigen. Eger u uzini Russian native (Rusiyelik) didi digen maqalini bulguchiler bolsa bu yerge chaplap qoysa belki u geplerning zadi nime gep, qandaq otturgha chiqqanlighini chushinishimizge paydisi bolishi mumkin. Emma shuninggha ishinimenki eger u gep rast bolsa u choqum siz nedin keldingiz (where are you from?) digen sualgha jawaben birilgen jawap "Russiye" digendin kep chiqqan gep. Chunki Amrikida sizning kim bolghanlighingizni bulgisi kelgenler "where are you from?" yeni "siz nedin?" dep soraydu, hergiz "what is your ethnicity?" yeni "millitingiz nime?" dep sorimaydu. Eger sizning hittaydin kelgenligingizni uqsa u chaghda sizning hittaygha ohshimawatqanlighingizgha ejeplinip andin nime millettin bolghanlighingizni sorishi mumkin. Amrika mediniyitini chushinidighan her qandaq adem hechkimning bir chet'elliktin birinchi bolup "millitingiz nime" dep sorimaydighanlighini eksiche "siz nedin" dep soraydighanlighini obdan bulidu. Shunga eger birer muhpir Shohret ependimning kim bolghanlighigha qiziqqan bolsa "where are you from?" (siz nedin?) dep sorighan bolsa "Russia" (Russiye) dep jawap beriptu dep qiyas qilish tebi. Bu jawapqa asasen muhpir elwette uni "Russian native" yeni "Russiyelik" dep ataydu. Buning hech yiridin uning millitidin tanghanlighi chiqmaydu. Uning kelgen yirini nime uchun Kazakhstan dimey Russiye digenligining sewebini uzi bulidu. Emma muninggha men qiziqip ketmeymen.

Ahirida dep qoyidighinim, Uyghurlarni dunyagha tonitidighan Uyghurlarmu kirek, Uyghurlarni Uyghurlargha tonitidighan Uyghurlarmu kirek. Shohret ependi eger aldinqisini yahshi qilalmidi dep renjiguchiler bolsa uning kiyinkisini yahshi qilghanlighini etrap qilishi kirek.

Turdi


Turdi,
Aqni aq , qarini qara deyli.
Bu yerde netijisige qetip millitini elan qilsun degen gep yoq ( shundaq qilsimu xata ish emes, bolupmu milliti zulum chekiwatqan bir alim uchun), bashqilar milliting nime dep sorisa, men uyghur desun degen telep boluwatidu, uyghurluqidin pexirlinidighanliqi rast bolsa.
Men rosiyelik desun, men ros milliti desun, oxshashla mesile, Uyghurluqini yoshurghanlqi yaki tilgha almighanliq.

Shundaq, Uyghur muhitida chong bolmaptu, ozining uyghurluqini bilidiken, hazirche chong umit ketmeyli desek bu toghra .

Men bu alimni tonushturup yazghan maqalining aptorining meqsitinimu alimgha " kimlikingni bilsun bu dunya " dep esige seliwatidu dep chushunimen.

Murat
23-11-07, 15:55
hey ,alla huda ,huda bilip "pakigha kuyruk bermektu degendek" bu bir ammiwiy sorunda nime hajiti ?emdi bir ziyali bir parche makali yezip ,dunyaning sel dikkini kozghidi.boldi bes , emdi tihi ishlar aldimizda ,tehi hish ish yok.bir adem emdi bir ishni bashlisa bashkilar uning kongini korchilap bilermenlik kilishidu,birsi "obzor "dese ,birsi sohbet ,hetta birsi Shohretning kilghan ishlirini cheshendurmekchi tehi .yane iza tarmastin emdi uning millitini surushte kilghili turduk erzemdu?elwette biz uyghurlardin alimlar koplep chikkini yaxshi ,hem chikishi kerek ,chette okiwatkanlarmu barghansiri kopiyiwatidu.hazirki elim-pen saghaside yalghuz bir adem hish ish kilalmaydu ,chokum bashka birsi bilen hemkarlishish zorur.nokul halda oz milletchilikni tekitlisek hishnersige ige bolalmaymiz.
aldinki yilliri Koriyelik alimlar mana mushu sahade dunyagha tonulup dang chikirip ,Koriyiliklerning kehrimanigha aylanghan idi .halbuki ,arliktin uzun oymey intayin setchilik yuz berip ,bu tetkikat netijisning emelyetke uyghun emesligi baykilip , Koriyiliklerning yuzi tokulip ,heliki tetkikatchi kishining barlik unwanliri elip tashlanghan,anglisak u kishi hazir Kombodiyaning ormanliklirida yashawatkidek.huda bundak ish yuz bermes .
Demekchi bolghinim erkinlikke we izzet -obrini kolgha kelturushke taki-tak bolghan biz uyghurlar nahayiti asanla hayajanlinip ketimiz.men u kishini sokmekchi yaki kishiler konglige su sepmekchi emesmen .bundak kiliwersek u kishige besim bolup kalidu ,uningdin kore hemmimiz eghir besik bolup hemimiz ozimiz shughulliniwatkan hizmetlirimizni we kesiplirimizni tirship yaxshi kilsak ,shahtin-shahka sekrep yurmisek dunya chokum bizni tonuydu we hormetleydu.

Unregistered
23-11-07, 19:35
Dostum, tola tirikmey aldi bilen Uyghurchini qandaq yezishni, chikitlerni qandaq ishlitishni uginip kiling. Bu yerdiki bezi selbi pikirlar rastla chushenmigen qerindashlar teripidin otturgha qoyulghan bolsa bezilliri yahshi chushinidighan ichi qotur hesethorlar teripidin otturgha qoyiliwatidu. Siz qaysi grupigha tewesizkin? Koriyening alimining netijisini bashqa alimlar tejirbehanida tekrarlap chiqiralmighanlighi uchun uning yalghanlighi ispatlanghan. Dr. Shohretning netijisi gerche 6-ayda elan qilinghan bolsimu hazirghiche kop ghul-ghul qozmighan idi, chunki kishiler Koriyelikning ishi yadida bolghachqa bu netijilerni bashqa alimlar tekrarlap korup rastlighini ispatlighiche saqlap turghan. Shunga sizning ensirshingizning hajiti yoq, Dr. Shohretning netijillirini bashqa bir tejirbehanidiki alimlar ala-qachan rastken dep ispatlap bolghan.


hey ,alla huda ,huda bilip "pakigha kuyruk bermektu degendek" bu bir ammiwiy sorunda nime hajiti ?emdi bir ziyali bir parche makali yezip ,dunyaning sel dikkini kozghidi.boldi bes , emdi tihi ishlar aldimizda ,tehi hish ish yok.bir adem emdi bir ishni bashlisa bashkilar uning kongini korchilap bilermenlik kilishidu,birsi "obzor "dese ,birsi sohbet ,hetta birsi Shohretning kilghan ishlirini cheshendurmekchi tehi .yane iza tarmastin emdi uning millitini surushte kilghili turduk erzemdu?elwette biz uyghurlardin alimlar koplep chikkini yaxshi ,hem chikishi kerek ,chette okiwatkanlarmu barghansiri kopiyiwatidu.hazirki elim-pen saghaside yalghuz bir adem hish ish kilalmaydu ,chokum bashka birsi bilen hemkarlishish zorur.nokul halda oz milletchilikni tekitlisek hishnersige ige bolalmaymiz.
aldinki yilliri Koriyelik alimlar mana mushu sahade dunyagha tonulup dang chikirip ,Koriyiliklerning kehrimanigha aylanghan idi .halbuki ,arliktin uzun oymey intayin setchilik yuz berip ,bu tetkikat netijisning emelyetke uyghun emesligi baykilip , Koriyiliklerning yuzi tokulip ,heliki tetkikatchi kishining barlik unwanliri elip tashlanghan,anglisak u kishi hazir Kombodiyaning ormanliklirida yashawatkidek.huda bundak ish yuz bermes .
Demekchi bolghinim erkinlikke we izzet -obrini kolgha kelturushke taki-tak bolghan biz uyghurlar nahayiti asanla hayajanlinip ketimiz.men u kishini sokmekchi yaki kishiler konglige su sepmekchi emesmen .bundak kiliwersek u kishige besim bolup kalidu ,uningdin kore hemmimiz eghir besik bolup hemimiz ozimiz shughulliniwatkan hizmetlirimizni we kesiplirimizni tirship yaxshi kilsak ,shahtin-shahka sekrep yurmisek dunya chokum bizni tonuydu we hormetleydu.

Unregistered
24-11-07, 09:37
Mana bu lilla gep boldi, qobul qilimen.

Ahirida dep qoyidighinim, Uyghurlarni dunyagha tonitidighan Uyghurlarmu kirek, Uyghurlarni Uyghurlargha tonitidighan Uyghurlarmu kirek. Shohret ependi eger aldinqisini yahshi qilalmidi dep renjiguchiler bolsa uning kiyinkisini yahshi qilghanlighini etrap qilishi kirek.

Turdi[/QUOTE]

Unregistered
24-11-07, 09:55
Bir ademning milliy kimliki, bir alimning tohpisining qaysi milletke tewe bolushi kerekliki ushshaq gep emes.
Bu bir alimni ghajilash emes, Uyghur degen markini koturup yurgen bir kishige bu markining igilirining qoyuwatqan eqelliy hem yolluq telipi.





nime digen tugumigen ushshaq gep bu.

alim oz ishliri bilen aldirash. uning ozini nime dep elan qilishidin qeti nezer, uninggha qiziqquchilar alimning qaysi millettin ikenligini ozliri biliwalaydu. we tarihlargha yezilidu.

emdi ichimizdin chiqqan alimimiznimu bir az ghajap, tatlimalmisaq uyqumiz kelmeydighan ohshaydu.
bu uyghur digen zadi qandaq millettu ?

Unregistered
24-11-07, 10:51
[QUOTE=Unregistered;29356]Dostum, tola tirikmey aldi bilen Uyghurchini qandaq yezishni, chikitlerni qandaq ishlitishni uginip kiling. Bu yerdiki bezi selbi pikirlar rastla chushenmigen qerindashlar teripidin otturgha qoyulghan bolsa bezilliri yahshi chushinidighan ichi qotur hesethorlar teripidin otturgha qoyiliwatidu. Siz qaysi grupigha tewesizkin? Koriyening alimining netijisini bashqa alimlar tejirbehanida tekrarlap chiqiralmighanlighi uchun uning yalghanlighi ispatlanghan. Dr. Shohretning netijisi gerche 6-ayda elan qilinghan bolsimu hazirghiche kop ghul-ghul qozmighan idi, chunki kishiler Koriyelikning ishi yadida bolghachqa bu netijilerni bashqa alimlar tekrarlap korup rastlighini ispatlighiche saqlap turghan. Shunga sizning ensirshingizning hajiti yoq, Dr. Shohretning netijillirini bashqa bir tejirbehanidiki alimlar ala-qachan rastken dep ispatlap bolghan.

Hey,gurupbaz tersa giramatikichi:aldi bilen yazmangdiki "ala-qakan" degen nimidigen soz awal ozeng chushunip andin yazalisang birnime yaz ,bolmisa ozengni besiwilip , Englishche bilseng towendiki makalini oki .men Dr.Shohratning netijiliri yokka chikirish niyitim yok ,hem hishkandak ensirmidim.Dr.Shohrat ,wetendiki Dr.Halmirat we Dr.Zaper Ablizlar biz uyghur yashliring ugunish ulgisi we umidi.
Professor Ian Wilmut, Edinburgh University, who led the team that created Dolly the sheep - a cloned sheep - says he is abandoning the cloning of human embryos as a Japanese method is the best one for stem cell research and the future. Wilmut added that the Japanese method has the best chance of leading to effective cures for chronic conditions and diseases. Wilmut says he had met with his team and they all agreed.

This has pleased the pro-life lobby because the Japanese method used fragments of skin to create stem cells, not human embryos.

The Japanese technique, developed by Professor Shinya Yamanaka, Kyoto University, modifies adult cells so that they become virtually as flexible as stem cells. Yamanaka has been experimenting on laboratory mice.

In an interview with The Daily Telegraph, a UK newspaper, Wilmut said "The work which was described from Japan of using a technique to change cells from a patient directly into stem cells without making an embryo has got so much more potential. Even though it's only been described for the mouse, when we were considering which option to pursue, whether to clone or whether to copy the work in Japan, we decided to copy the work in Japan."

Wilmut told The Telegraph that it won't be too long before we can utilize Yamanaka's approach in the same way we have been using embryonic stem cells. In the long term, the direct reprogramming will be more productive.

A few weeks ago Wilmut had decided not to pursue the method he and his team had used to create Dolly the sheep (nuclear transfer) - he added that this new method is "easier to accept socially".

Wilmut believes that within the next five years new techniques will make sure Yamanaka's technique will be such that growing tissue for transplantation will not be potentially cancerous or unstable.

-- Professor Ian Wilmut works at The Roslin Institute, Scotland
-- Professor Shinya Yamanaka works at The Institute for Frontier Medical Sciences, Japan

Reprogramming skin cells :

When University of Wisconsin-Madison researchers succeeded in reprogramming skin cells to behave like embryonic stem cells, they also began to redefine the political and ethical dynamics of the stem-cell debate, a leading bioethicist says. R. Alta Charo, a UW-Madison professor of law and bioethics, says the scientific finding could have far-reaching effects on the social dimensions of the ongoing controversy over embryonic stem cell research.

"This is a method for creating a stem cell line without ever having to work through, at any stage, an entity that is a viable embryo," Charo says. "Therefore, you manage to avoid many of those debates with the right-to life community."

The research alters the debates surrounding both human embryonic stem cell research and somatic cell nuclear transfer cloning. For ordinary embryonic stem cell research, it offers a means of obtaining pluripotent cell lines from a non-embryonic source. For cloning research, it offers a means to make customized, pluripotent cell lines without having to create an intermediate embryo that is a "clone" of an adult person, she says.

Charo says the discovery could remove objections from critics on both the right and left wings of the political spectrum.

To derive embryonic stem cells, it is necessary to remove critical cells from an embryo, resulting in its destruction. That triggers opposition from right-to-life critics of the research, who cite moral and ethical concerns. The research has also generated opposition from some members of the women's movement who object the use of stimulating drugs in women who agree to donate eggs for cloning research aimed at creating specialized embryonic stem cell lines.

The latest findings have the potential to render both of those objections moot, since the research showed that introducing four genes into cells derived from skin cells, called human fibroblasts, resulted in cells that essentially share all the features of embryonic stem cells - but without using or destroying embryos.

"It holds a great deal of promise for freeing this whole area of research from those two main sources of friction," Charo says. The discovery also creates questions about the future of government funding for traditional embryonic stem cell research, which in recent years has been a contentious political issue.

"It's going to fuel those who call for preferential federal funding only for non-embryonic stem cell research and it will certainly complicate any efforts to expand funding for embryonic stem cell research at the federal level," she says. Twice, Congress has passed legislation to overturn the Bush administration policy on embryonic stem cell research and allow funding for research using any embryonic stem cell lines, not just those designated by the administration in 2001. Twice, the president has vetoed it.

"Any piece of research like this that suggests that we can get cell lines that are equally usable without having to go through an embryo in intermediate steps is going to undermine any effort on the part of Congress to overturn the Bush policy," she says.

The latest discovery, however, is likely to suggest avenues of research that are already eligible for federal funding. Recently, the White House directed the National Institutes of Health to emphasize the funding of research that examines alternative means for obtaining pluripotent cell lines whose usefulness is comparable to that of human embryonic stem cells.

"No matter how well this new technique can be used for many of the disease-research and disease-treatment applications foreseen for embryonic stem cell and cloning research, however, calls for criminalization or wholesale de-funding of embryonic stem cell and cloning research are not warranted," Charo adds. "Criminalizing any area of science, as opposed to merely regulating it, would be contrary to the political and constitutional traditions of academic and scientific freedom, as well as the historical spirit of inquiry that characterizes this country."

Unregistered
24-11-07, 14:32
Jawabingizni chushendim. Dimek sizmu ichi qotur korermeslerning biri ikensis. Sizdek uzining tilini jaylap yazalmaydighan ademlerni chala sawat deymiz. Chala sawat ademlerning dunyaning eng ilghar pen-tehnikillirigha baha birishi bir kulkilik ish. Bu Englische maqalida sozlengen netijiler Dr.Shohretning netijillirini kichiklitip qalarmikin digen umutliringiz chala sawat ikenligingizni tehimu ashkarlaptu halas. Sis birnerse bulidighan birsi bolsingiz nime uchun ikenligini chushendurup birettim, emma sizge chushendurimen diyish ishekke ghejek chalghandek kulkilik ish bolidu.

I am not sure if you really can read English or just are pretending you do. As far as I can see you are just a semi-literate who loses sleep on the successes of Uyghurs. I can't even be sure if you are an Uyghur. Do not try to get another answer from me. I already spent more than you deserve.



[QUOTE=Unregistered;29356]Dostum, tola tirikmey aldi bilen Uyghurchini qandaq yezishni, chikitlerni qandaq ishlitishni uginip kiling. Bu yerdiki bezi selbi pikirlar rastla chushenmigen qerindashlar teripidin otturgha qoyulghan bolsa bezilliri yahshi chushinidighan ichi qotur hesethorlar teripidin otturgha qoyiliwatidu. Siz qaysi grupigha tewesizkin? Koriyening alimining netijisini bashqa alimlar tejirbehanida tekrarlap chiqiralmighanlighi uchun uning yalghanlighi ispatlanghan. Dr. Shohretning netijisi gerche 6-ayda elan qilinghan bolsimu hazirghiche kop ghul-ghul qozmighan idi, chunki kishiler Koriyelikning ishi yadida bolghachqa bu netijilerni bashqa alimlar tekrarlap korup rastlighini ispatlighiche saqlap turghan. Shunga sizning ensirshingizning hajiti yoq, Dr. Shohretning netijillirini bashqa bir tejirbehanidiki alimlar ala-qachan rastken dep ispatlap bolghan.

Hey,gurupbaz tersa giramatikichi:aldi bilen yazmangdiki "ala-qakan" degen nimidigen soz awal ozeng chushunip andin yazalisang birnime yaz ,bolmisa ozengni besiwilip , Englishche bilseng towendiki makalini oki .men Dr.Shohratning netijiliri yokka chikirish niyitim yok ,hem hishkandak ensirmidim.Dr.Shohrat ,wetendiki Dr.Halmirat we Dr.Zaper Ablizlar biz uyghur yashliring ugunish ulgisi we umidi.
Professor Ian Wilmut, Edinburgh University, who led the team that created Dolly the sheep - a cloned sheep - says he is abandoning the cloning of human embryos as a Japanese method is the best one for stem cell research and the future. Wilmut added that the Japanese method has the best chance of leading to effective cures for chronic conditions and diseases. Wilmut says he had met with his team and they all agreed.

This has pleased the pro-life lobby because the Japanese method used fragments of skin to create stem cells, not human embryos.

The Japanese technique, developed by Professor Shinya Yamanaka, Kyoto University, modifies adult cells so that they become virtually as flexible as stem cells. Yamanaka has been experimenting on laboratory mice.

In an interview with The Daily Telegraph, a UK newspaper, Wilmut said "The work which was described from Japan of using a technique to change cells from a patient directly into stem cells without making an embryo has got so much more potential. Even though it's only been described for the mouse, when we were considering which option to pursue, whether to clone or whether to copy the work in Japan, we decided to copy the work in Japan."

Wilmut told The Telegraph that it won't be too long before we can utilize Yamanaka's approach in the same way we have been using embryonic stem cells. In the long term, the direct reprogramming will be more productive.

A few weeks ago Wilmut had decided not to pursue the method he and his team had used to create Dolly the sheep (nuclear transfer) - he added that this new method is "easier to accept socially".

Wilmut believes that within the next five years new techniques will make sure Yamanaka's technique will be such that growing tissue for transplantation will not be potentially cancerous or unstable.

-- Professor Ian Wilmut works at The Roslin Institute, Scotland
-- Professor Shinya Yamanaka works at The Institute for Frontier Medical Sciences, Japan

Reprogramming skin cells :

When University of Wisconsin-Madison researchers succeeded in reprogramming skin cells to behave like embryonic stem cells, they also began to redefine the political and ethical dynamics of the stem-cell debate, a leading bioethicist says. R. Alta Charo, a UW-Madison professor of law and bioethics, says the scientific finding could have far-reaching effects on the social dimensions of the ongoing controversy over embryonic stem cell research.

"This is a method for creating a stem cell line without ever having to work through, at any stage, an entity that is a viable embryo," Charo says. "Therefore, you manage to avoid many of those debates with the right-to life community."

The research alters the debates surrounding both human embryonic stem cell research and somatic cell nuclear transfer cloning. For ordinary embryonic stem cell research, it offers a means of obtaining pluripotent cell lines from a non-embryonic source. For cloning research, it offers a means to make customized, pluripotent cell lines without having to create an intermediate embryo that is a "clone" of an adult person, she says.

Charo says the discovery could remove objections from critics on both the right and left wings of the political spectrum.

To derive embryonic stem cells, it is necessary to remove critical cells from an embryo, resulting in its destruction. That triggers opposition from right-to-life critics of the research, who cite moral and ethical concerns. The research has also generated opposition from some members of the women's movement who object the use of stimulating drugs in women who agree to donate eggs for cloning research aimed at creating specialized embryonic stem cell lines.

The latest findings have the potential to render both of those objections moot, since the research showed that introducing four genes into cells derived from skin cells, called human fibroblasts, resulted in cells that essentially share all the features of embryonic stem cells - but without using or destroying embryos.

"It holds a great deal of promise for freeing this whole area of research from those two main sources of friction," Charo says. The discovery also creates questions about the future of government funding for traditional embryonic stem cell research, which in recent years has been a contentious political issue.

"It's going to fuel those who call for preferential federal funding only for non-embryonic stem cell research and it will certainly complicate any efforts to expand funding for embryonic stem cell research at the federal level," she says. Twice, Congress has passed legislation to overturn the Bush administration policy on embryonic stem cell research and allow funding for research using any embryonic stem cell lines, not just those designated by the administration in 2001. Twice, the president has vetoed it.

"Any piece of research like this that suggests that we can get cell lines that are equally usable without having to go through an embryo in intermediate steps is going to undermine any effort on the part of Congress to overturn the Bush policy," she says.

The latest discovery, however, is likely to suggest avenues of research that are already eligible for federal funding. Recently, the White House directed the National Institutes of Health to emphasize the funding of research that examines alternative means for obtaining pluripotent cell lines whose usefulness is comparable to that of human embryonic stem cells.

"No matter how well this new technique can be used for many of the disease-research and disease-treatment applications foreseen for embryonic stem cell and cloning research, however, calls for criminalization or wholesale de-funding of embryonic stem cell and cloning research are not warranted," Charo adds. "Criminalizing any area of science, as opposed to merely regulating it, would be contrary to the political and constitutional traditions of academic and scientific freedom, as well as the historical spirit of inquiry that characterizes this country."

Unregistered
24-11-07, 23:58
Heseldin khil ilghaydighan, hopupini yungdimay yeydighan millet




[QUOTE=Unregistered;29333]bu uyghur digen zadi qandaq millettu ???

Unregistered
25-11-07, 01:44
Uyghur degen,
Ozining ajizliqini, ozining poqini milletke dongep, milletttin qaxshap yurgen chidimaslarning, namertlerning chumperdisini ayimastin pat-pat echip tashlaydighan millet.





Heseldin khil ilghaydighan, hopupini yungdimay yeydighan millet




[QUOTE=Unregistered;29333]bu uyghur digen zadi qandaq millettu ???

Unregistered
26-11-07, 02:48
Agar u alimni uning alim bolghini uqun 10 million Uyghurning hammisi oz iqiga almighan takdirdimu, dunyadiki kalghan 6 milyard halk kollaydu wa hormitini manggu kilidu. Yarxari ayliniweridu. Biz Uyghurlar alim bolsimu ghajap, zalim bolsa tazim kilip, qong ixni kilalamay kiqik ixni yaratmay, watandikilar Hitaygha, qat'aldikilar Arapka aylinip, ming tarapka bolinip kitiwerimiz.

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26-11-07, 07:48
Agar u alimni uning alim bolghini uqun 10 million Uyghurning hammisi oz iqiga almighan takdirdimu, dunyadiki kalghan 6 milyard halk kollaydu wa hormitini manggu kilidu. Yarxari ayliniweridu. Biz Uyghurlar alim bolsimu ghajap, zalim bolsa tazim kilip, qong ixni kilalamay kiqik ixni yaratmay, watandikilar Hitaygha, qat'aldikilar Arapka aylinip, ming tarapka bolinip kitiwerimiz.


hemme gepingiz nahayiti toghra .

uyghurlarning sanigha kelgende siz uhlap qapsiz.

10 milyon emes. tehminen 25-30 milyongha qeder.

qarap turup qalghinini hittayning meligha qoshuwettingizmu?

buningdin keyin diqqet qiling. OK mu.

Unregistered
26-11-07, 12:38
mana bu maqalide Shohret Mitellipni "a russian native" deptu. korup beqing, maqale yazghuchisi bilen alaqe qilsingizmu bolidu.

To scientist, 'This is magic'
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Within a decade, the technique perfected in Hillsboro could test whether stem cells can live up to such medical hype. Oregon Health & Science University researchers plan studies in monkeys to see whether similar stem cells could treat diabetes and degenerative brain illnesses.

Reijo Pera is already trying to make human embryonic stem cells with the new technique, starting with cells from people with various illnesses. She recently hired James Byrne, who worked with Mitalipov, from the Oregon lab. Several labs have tried to hire Mitalipov away, said Dr. Markus Grompe, director of OHSU's Oregon Stem Cell Center. But OHSU, which runs the primate center, managed to keep Mitalipov partly with money from the public-private Oregon Opportunity fund, Grompe said.

A Russian native, Mitalipov has worked at the Hillsboro lab since 1998 with retired scientist Don Wolf and others. Despite scientists and politicians promising that sick people could be treated with cloned stem cells, many researchers thought primates' complex biology would make that technically impossible. Still, the Oregon lab labored quietly for 10 years, Reijo Pera said: "They made a fundamental decision to invest resources in this, and they're really to be commended for that."


Basically, the Oregon scientists figured out a better way to run an experiment that had been done many times without success. Cloning monkey stem cells involves harvesting an egg, emptying material from the egg's nucleus, then inserting DNA from an adult cell. But the tools and methods previously used damaged the cells, so they rarely grew into early stage embryos and never yielded stem cell lines.


A monkey named Semos


Better tools and techniques let the Hillsboro group make two stem cell lines from a 9-year-old male rhesus monkey named Semos, after a monkey god in 2001's "Planet of the Apes" movie. Genetic tests proved the resulting cells genetically identical to the adult DNA donor, not the female egg donor, right down to having Semos' male sex chromosome.

Mitalipov likes to call the work "reprogramming," noting that it turns one kind of cell into another. Scientists first reprogrammed a frog's cell in 1962, Reijo Pera said. In 1996, Scottish scientists famously reprogrammed a sheep's mammary cell into an embryo that grew into Dolly, the first mammal cloned from an adult cell. The Oregon paper proves primates also can be reprogrammed, Reijo Pera said: "That's a first in science."

The technique is not terribly efficient. The Oregon crew used 304 eggs to make two stem cell lines. At that rate, it could never be used for human treatments, Ian Wilmut, who led Dolly's cloning, wrote in an editorial in Nature.

But the work shows that primates' eggs contain all the chemicals needed to turn adult cells into stem cells. Mitalipov hopes scientists can learn to copy this sequence of chemical messages. Then they could directly turn adult cells into stem cells without using eggs, Grompe said. In fact, he said, Mitalipov's work was partly financed by a private donor interested in making embryonic stem cells without creating or destroying embryos. Mitalipov predicted such direct reprogramming could happen within a decade.

Even sooner, the stem cells could test disease treatments. Grompe is seeking grants to make embryonic stem cells from monkeys with Type 1 diabetes, hoping injections of those cells could treat that illness.

Mitalipov hopes to create cloned embryos from monkey cells with genetic flaws that cause nerve diseases, including Lesch-Nyhan syndrome, a devastating illness that makes boys savagely attack themselves, sometimes biting off their own lips and fingers. Mitalipov aims to implant those embryos in monkey mothers and create primate models of brain diseases too complex to study in mice or other non-primates.

With luck, that could happen in a few years, he said. Some of his lab's stem cells had chromosomal defects, however, and it's not clear that a cloned primate embryo could survive pregnancy.

For now, Mitalipov will work on perfecting his technique and making more stem cell lines. And what of Semos? The middle-aged monkey worked for years as a sperm donor, but for the past year he's done little but eat and sleep.

Still, Mitalipov predicted, a few scraped skin cells will make Semos "one of the famous animals in history, like Dolly."

Andy Dworkin: 503-221-8564; andydworkin@news.oregonian.com

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Bashqilar "milliting nime" dep soridimu yaki bashqa bir nime dep soridimu buni biz bilmeymiz. Bu gepler bireylenning mushu sorunda "shohretni bir maqalida Russian native (Rusiyelik) deptu" digen gepidin kilip chiqti. Men aldinqi hepte Shohret ependim tilghan elinghan bir neche maqale oqudum, TV hewerlirini kordum, emmma hech qaysida uning nedin kelgenligi yaki milliti toghruluq bir nerse diyilmigen. Eger u uzini Russian native (Rusiyelik) didi digen maqalini bulguchiler bolsa bu yerge chaplap qoysa belki u geplerning zadi nime gep, qandaq otturgha chiqqanlighini chushinishimizge paydisi bolishi mumkin. Emma shuninggha ishinimenki eger u gep rast bolsa u choqum siz nedin keldingiz (where are you from?) digen sualgha jawaben birilgen jawap "Russiye" digendin kep chiqqan gep. Chunki Amrikida sizning kim bolghanlighingizni bulgisi kelgenler "where are you from?" yeni "siz nedin?" dep soraydu, hergiz "what is your ethnicity?" yeni "millitingiz nime?" dep sorimaydu. Eger sizning hittaydin kelgenligingizni uqsa u chaghda sizning hittaygha ohshimawatqanlighingizgha ejeplinip andin nime millettin bolghanlighingizni sorishi mumkin. Amrika mediniyitini chushinidighan her qandaq adem hechkimning bir chet'elliktin birinchi bolup "millitingiz nime" dep sorimaydighanlighini eksiche "siz nedin" dep soraydighanlighini obdan bulidu. Shunga eger birer muhpir Shohret ependimning kim bolghanlighigha qiziqqan bolsa "where are you from?" (siz nedin?) dep sorighan bolsa "Russia" (Russiye) dep jawap beriptu dep qiyas qilish tebi. Bu jawapqa asasen muhpir elwette uni "Russian native" yeni "Russiyelik" dep ataydu. Buning hech yiridin uning millitidin tanghanlighi chiqmaydu. Uning kelgen yirini nime uchun Kazakhstan dimey Russiye digenligining sewebini uzi bulidu. Emma muninggha men qiziqip ketmeymen.

Ahirida dep qoyidighinim, Uyghurlarni dunyagha tonitidighan Uyghurlarmu kirek, Uyghurlarni Uyghurlargha tonitidighan Uyghurlarmu kirek. Shohret ependi eger aldinqisini yahshi qilalmidi dep renjiguchiler bolsa uning kiyinkisini yahshi qilghanlighini etrap qilishi kirek.

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26-11-07, 21:04
Yahxi pikirngizga rahmat alwatta. Birak Uyghurlarning nopsi hakkida rasmi statistikilik malumat yok. Yalghan bolsun ras bolsun 10 digan malumat bar. Pakat ozimizning hissiyatigha tayinipla 20-30 million disak. Bir narsini bak kop turiwitidighan yalghanqi bolup kalamduk kandak. Agar siz birer asasingiz bolsa manga yolluwatsingiz, yana bir rahmat daytim. Kerindixim.


hemme gepingiz nahayiti toghra .

uyghurlarning sanigha kelgende siz uhlap qapsiz.

10 milyon emes. tehminen 25-30 milyongha qeder.

qarap turup qalghinini hittayning meligha qoshuwettingizmu?

buningdin keyin diqqet qiling. OK mu.

Unregistered
26-11-07, 21:08
Uyghurlardin wakillar Shohrat Mittalip bilan koruxup. Uninggha bundin kiyin ozini Uyghur diyix toghrisida maslihat barsak wa uni kayil kilsak bolidu. Bu yerda kotuldighanning paydisi yok.

Unregistered
27-11-07, 01:08
Siler nime digen ekilsiz. Yazghan sozliringlargha karap yaki okup ademning kulgisini kelturidu. Siler mushunqilik towen nadanlikta kalghininglarni karanglar. Hey insanlar dunyani kayil kilghan bir shehs iqimizdin qiksa hoshal bolmay nimilerni bilgirlep yurimiz. Siz ozingizni aldi bilen kayil keling. Hemme ademni ozenglardek oylap kalmanglar. Hatirjem bu bette bir-biringlarning pishtini bekip oltiriweringlar. Dunya terekki kelip ketiweridu.





Uyghurlardin wakillar Shohrat Mittalip bilan koruxup. Uninggha bundin kiyin ozini Uyghur diyix toghrisida maslihat barsak wa uni kayil kilsak bolidu. Bu yerda kotuldighanning paydisi yok.

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27-11-07, 19:40
U hech qachan uzini Uyghur emes dimeptu. Shunga sizning tekliwingizning hajiti yoq. Uyghurlar uchun beshini ichige tiqip uzining kespini qilip ghelbe qzinidighan kishilermu kirek, kunde beshwah Uyghur dep aghzidin chushirmeydighan emma qolidin hech ish kelmeydighanlarmu kirek, kechkiche bu meydanda temtilep yurup wahtini israp qilidighanlarmu kirek................


Uyghurlardin wakillar Shohrat Mittalip bilan koruxup. Uninggha bundin kiyin ozini Uyghur diyix toghrisida maslihat barsak wa uni kayil kilsak bolidu. Bu yerda kotuldighanning paydisi yok.