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Rachel Harris
20-10-07, 16:12
Respecting your own culture

Dear all

I was very upset to hear about the demonstration at the Dolan concert in Holland.
These musicians are not even professional employees of the Chinese state. They are peasant musicians. They are not singing about their love for China. They are singing traditional poetry. Is it fair to make them political targets? I can only imagine how afraid and miserable they felt afterwards.

If you don’t care about how a group of peasants feel, then perhaps you may care if I say that this is the quickest way to persuade cultural organisers in the West not to put on Uyghur cultural events. Surely you agree that it is important to raise the profile of Uyghurs in the west? The Dolan Muqam has great power to attract Western audiences. The place to inform these audiences through political demonstrations is outside the theatre, before and after the concert.

If you show no respect for your own culture, how do you expect anyone else to respect it?

Rachel Harris

__________________________________________________ _________________

Oz medeniyitingizni hormetleng

Hormetlik uqurmenler

Men Hollanidiyede Dolan sen’itining qoyulushi munasiwiti bilen elip berilghan namayish heqqidiki xewerni anglap konglum tolimu yerim boldi.

Dolan sen’etkarliri bolsa ular Xitay dowleti terpidin mexsus ishqa orulnlashturup ishlitilmeydighan dehqan sazendilerdur. Hem ular ozlirining Xitaygha bolghan muhabbetini izhar qilip naxshimu eytmaydu. Ular en’eniwiy ghezellerni naxsha qilip oquydu. Sizche ularni siyasi meqsitingizning qurbani qilsingiz toghra bolarmu? Ularning siler qilghan bu namayishtin qanchilik qoruqqanlighi we gheripsingeligini men yaxshi tesewur qilalaymen.
Siler bu dehqan artistlarning qandaq his qilghanlighi bilen karimiz yoq dep qarisanglar, eger men silerge “Gherip medeniyet paaliyetlirini orunlashturghuchi teshkilat-orunlarni Uyghur medeniyeti paaliyetlirini orunlashturmasliqqa dewet qilish tolimu asan bir ish” disem uchaghda siler ning karinglar bolushi mumkin. Dolan muqamchillirida Gheriplik tamashibinlarni qiziqturidighan alahide xususiyet bar. Tamashibinlargha bildurudighan siyasi shekildiki namayishlarning orni konsert bashlinishtin burun yaki axirlashqandin keyin tiyatirxanisining sirtida bolsa muwapiq.

Egerde siler oz medeniyitinglarni hormetlimisenglar, qandaqmu bashqilardin hormetke erishishni kutusiler?

Rachel Harris
(Englishchidin Aziz Isa terjime qildi)

oguzhan
21-10-07, 17:06
an old dog,
new tricks.....


Dear Rachel,

similar things happened in DC back in 2002...at the Folklife Festival

I managed to avoid few things which would have caused headaches when the calligrapher and the papermaker returned to their homeland,

Knowing how much you like Uyghur culture and

and reading your message is a bit disturbing.


Should I apologize in their stead ?

On the other hand those guys are specimens of lower quality Uyghur representatives,

who have limited imagination - if any -

as how to present a cause and receive according glovalb atttention

Unregistered
21-10-07, 18:33
Rachel Ependim,

sizge diqqet qilip qaldim, yazghan maqalingizgha qarighanda siz uyghurce cuxunemsiz, eger uyghurce cuxensingiz, yeni siz uyghurcini bekla mukemmel bilidikensiz, qarimaqqa siz bu munazire meydanidiki hemme munazirilerni oqup turidikensiz, eger halisingiz kimlikingizni iytip birelemsiz.
bizning bu paaliyitimiz senettin baxqa,ular senet orunlisa biz uyghurlarning dert ehwalidin cuxendurux berduq, we hittay zulumini icip taxliduq, hittay hokumitide intayin rezil siyasi oyunlar bar , uni yahxi raq tetqiq qiling. alaqilixixingizni qarxi alimen.

Hormet bilen
Bahtiyar Semseddin



an old dog,
new tricks.....


Dear Rachel,

similar things happened in DC back in 2002...at the Folklife Festival

I managed to avoid few things which would have caused headaches when the calligrapher and the papermaker returned to their homeland,

Knowing how much you like Uyghur culture and

and reading your message is a bit disturbing.


Should I apologize in their stead ?

On the other hand those guys are specimens of lower quality Uyghur representatives,

who have limited imagination - if any -

as how to present a cause and receive according glovalb atttention

Unregistered
22-10-07, 02:37
Being extremist is not the way people should seek for. I really feel sorry about that event happened in Netherlands. Our political leaders should make differentiate between political event and cultural event. don't go crazy. There are a lot of things waiting us to do except just making demonstrations to our own cultural people.

Unregistered
22-10-07, 04:37
You cannot understand about culture and political activity. Do you love still China


Being extremist is not the way people should seek for. I really feel sorry about that event happened in Netherlands. Our political leaders should make differentiate between political event and cultural event. don't go crazy. There are a lot of things waiting us to do except just making demonstrations to our own cultural people.

Aziz Isa
22-10-07, 06:35
Hormetlik Bextiyar Shemsidin ependim:

Siz gheripning senet quyush we orunlashturushni tertiwini bilemsiz? Siz eytqandek qandaqtur bu Dolan dehqansen'etkarlirini Xitay hakemiyiti pul hejlep Uyghur medeniyitini dunyagha tonushturush niyetliri bilen Ywaropagha elip ekelgen emes belki Yawropadiki Uyghurmuzika tetqiqatchillirining pidakarlighi bilen medeniyet orunliri we gheyri-resmi teshkilartlarning biwaste teklip qilishi, putkul iqtisadi chiqimlirini tolishi, ish heqqi berish sherti bilen hem murekkep diplomatic qanallar arqiliq qiyin ehwalda kelturulgen. Rachel Harris pikiride "namayishning ori tiyatirxaniing ichide bolmay sirtida-konsert bashlinishtin ilgiri we keyin bolghini yaxshi, konsertni tenich olturup korung bolmisa Yawropaliqlar bu qilmishingizni oz medeniyitini hormetlimeydighan milletken dep xata chushunup qalidu" deptighu xalas!

Pikir bitereplime halda oz hisiyatqa taynip elip berilsa uning qimmit bolmaydu. Uyghur millitining bogunki kundiki teqdirini we rialiiqini nezirimizdin saqit qilmaslighimiz kerek. Pikir qilishtin awal ishning rialliqi we ehtiyajimizgha qanchilik muwapiq ikenligini oylishishimiz tolimu zorur. Egerde biz bu xildiki yeni Yawropaliqlar ozliri orunlashturghan we tallap teklip qilghan sanaqliq medeniy paaliyetlerni siyasi paaliyetlirimiz bilen periqlendurmey arlashturuwetsek oz nowitide eng zor ziyan yene ozimiz tartimiz. Bu heqiqetenmu Uyghur siyasi rehberliri uchun zorur bir terep qilishini kutuwatqan mesile.

Sizgege yene shuni bildurmekchimenki bu yerde pikir qilghuchining kim bolushi, yazmisining qandaq shekilde bu yerge chaplinishi we kimning terjime qilishighanlighi anche zorur emes belki otturgha qoyulghan mesilini ilmiy yosunda tehlil qilish we uningha toghra jawap tepish ehmiyetliktur. Egerde heqiqetenmu biz heqqimizde bilishni xalisingiz sehipimizni ziyaret qiling we pikiringizni qaldurung. http://www.uyghurensemble.co.uk

Aziz Isa

London Uyghur Ensemble
http://www.uyghurensemble.co.uk

Unregistered
22-10-07, 10:29
Aziz Efendi,
Herkim cuxenmey turup pikir qilmisun, u kuni neq meydanda siz yeni Rachal yoq, u kuni biz hicqandaq qalaymiqan faaliyet qilmiduq , heliqara qanun we gollandiyening tuzumlirige boysunghan halda nahayiti tertiplik paaliyet qilduq,Tiyatirhana sirtida sirtida texwiq waraq tarqattuq, icide bolsa sizning we bizning wetimiz bolghan Xerqi Turkistanning bayriqi cuxurulgen mayka kiyip olturduq, tertiplik paaliyitimizdin yerlik gollandiyelikler nahayiti tesirlendi , xunga hilighice ketmestin suallar soridi ,u kuni bizdin hic kim narazi bolmidi, peqet narazi bolghan SIZ we Hittay Elcihanisi.
Uyghurlar saz celip usul uynighini bilen uning icige azap oqubet yoxurunghan, biz xu azapni ipadiliduq, u azapni dunya bilixi kirek.
yazghan kixi elwette muhim, heqiqi toghra ,medinyetlik bolghan kixi yalghanciliq qilmasliq kirek,u yazma bir adam teripidi yizilghan, ikki isim qollanghan, Engilishcini we uyghurcini bir adem yazghan. awal ras gep qilayli.
sizmu senetcikensiz, eger sizmu Gollandiyege kilip senet orunlisingiz bizmu siyasi paaliyitimizni qiliximiz mumkin, rahatsiz boluxingizgha qarimaymiz, rahetsiz bolghan qandaqtu Rachel digen English emes, Uyghurdur.
Bizning Paaliyitimiz dawam qilidu, uni hickim tosiyalmaydu,Cunki helqimiz qan yighlawatidu!!!!



Hormetlik Bextiyar Shemsidin ependim:

Siz gheripning senet quyush we orunlashturushni tertiwini bilemsiz? Siz eytqandek qandaqtur bu Dolan dehqansen'etkarlirini Xitay hakemiyiti pul hejlep Uyghur medeniyitini dunyagha tonushturush niyetliri bilen Ywaropagha elip ekelgen emes belki Yawropadiki Uyghurmuzika tetqiqatchillirining pidakarlighi bilen medeniyet orunliri we gheyri-resmi teshkilartlarning biwaste teklip qilishi, putkul iqtisadi chiqimlirini tolishi, ish heqqi berish sherti bilen hem murekkep diplomatic qanallar arqiliq qiyin ehwalda kelturulgen. Rachel Harris pikiride "namayishning ori tiyatirxaniing ichide bolmay sirtida-konsert bashlinishtin ilgiri we keyin bolghini yaxshi, konsertni tenich olturup korung bolmisa Yawropaliqlar bu qilmishingizni oz medeniyitini hormetlimeydighan milletken dep xata chushunup qalidu" deptighu xalas!

Pikir bitereplime halda oz hisiyatqa taynip elip berilsa uning qimmit bolmaydu. Uyghur millitining bogunki kundiki teqdirini we rialiiqini nezirimizdin saqit qilmaslighimiz kerek. Pikir qilishtin awal ishning rialliqi we ehtiyajimizgha qanchilik muwapiq ikenligini oylishishimiz tolimu zorur. Egerde biz bu xildiki yeni Yawropaliqlar ozliri orunlashturghan we tallap teklip qilghan sanaqliq medeniy paaliyetlerni siyasi paaliyetlirimiz bilen periqlendurmey arlashturuwetsek oz nowitide eng zor ziyan yene ozimiz tartimiz. Bu heqiqetenmu Uyghur siyasi rehberliri uchun zorur bir terep qilishini kutuwatqan mesile.

Sizgege yene shuni bildurmekchimenki bu yerde pikir qilghuchining kim bolushi, yazmisining qandaq shekilde bu yerge chaplinishi we kimning terjime qilishighanlighi anche zorur emes belki otturgha qoyulghan mesilini ilmiy yosunda tehlil qilish we uningha toghra jawap tepish ehmiyetliktur. Egerde heqiqetenmu biz heqqimizde bilishni xalisingiz sehipimizni ziyaret qiling we pikiringizni qaldurung. http://www.uyghurensemble.co.uk

Aziz Isa

London Uyghur Ensemble
http://www.uyghurensemble.co.uk

Unregistered
22-10-07, 11:46
Bextiyar, teliponingiz elinmaywatidu, eger ozgergen bolsa bildurup qoysingiz.

Nomurni towendiki adrisqa evetsingizmu bolidu
hoshurs@rfa.org

Unregistered
22-10-07, 16:15
Dear Rachel,

Thank you for telling Uyghurs to respect their culture! In fact, all Uyghurs do respect and love their culture very much at a time the Chinese government is doing everything in its evil power to eradicate it in East Turkestan and showcase it around the world the jolly Uyghur musicians and dancers that Uyghurs were happy under Chinese rule.

You should understand that it was not the Uyghurs in Holland that made the performance of those peasants a political event. It was the Chinese government who brought these Uyghurs to Holland to perform to serve their national interest through such propaganda. The reason for the Chinese government to bring these Uyghur musicians, as you know, is political, period. China wants to send a strong political message to the European Union countries that Uyghurs in East Turkestan have no problem with the central government, and "only a small number of separatists" have. That is certainly not true.

As you know this is not the first group of Uyghur (peasant) musicians brought to Europe by China. A month ago, another group was sent to Sweden for the same political propaganda purposes. And China is very good at deceving the international community with its crafty lies and deceptions - using Uyghur culture to undermine Uyghurs. Although as you argues that these peasants didn't sing their love for China, but China used their songs to sing praises for its rule in East Turkestan.

I absolutely understand the feeling of those Uyghur peasants and the possible reprisals they may face once returned. But the Chinese government should understand that it cannot just bring Uyghur musicians and singers to countries where Uyghurs are active and do its political propaganda. That is simply not allowed. You have the right to blame those Uyghur protestors only if the Uyghur peasant musicians were brought to Holland by an independent and neutral agency, etc. Unfortunately, that is not the case here.

Again, thank you for your love of Uyghur music and passion for Uyghur culture! You may not like or agree everything the Uyghur organizations do in Europe or elsewhere but trust us we do what we do in order to protect the very things - culture, language, tradition, music and songs, etc - that make us Uyghurs in spite of Chinese deception in the world and persecution at home. While keeping Uyghur culture and politics separate is important, but China has made everything Uyghur political.

Thank you for your concern!

Uyghur activist in Holland




Respecting your own culture

Dear all

I was very upset to hear about the demonstration at the Dolan concert in Holland.
These musicians are not even professional employees of the Chinese state. They are peasant musicians. They are not singing about their love for China. They are singing traditional poetry. Is it fair to make them political targets? I can only imagine how afraid and miserable they felt afterwards.

If you don’t care about how a group of peasants feel, then perhaps you may care if I say that this is the quickest way to persuade cultural organisers in the West not to put on Uyghur cultural events. Surely you agree that it is important to raise the profile of Uyghurs in the west? The Dolan Muqam has great power to attract Western audiences. The place to inform these audiences through political demonstrations is outside the theatre, before and after the concert.

If you show no respect for your own culture, how do you expect anyone else to respect it?

Rachel Harris

__________________________________________________ _________________

Oz medeniyitingizni hormetleng

Hormetlik uqurmenler

Men Hollanidiyede Dolan sen’itining qoyulushi munasiwiti bilen elip berilghan namayish heqqidiki xewerni anglap konglum tolimu yerim boldi.

Dolan sen’etkarliri bolsa ular Xitay dowleti terpidin mexsus ishqa orulnlashturup ishlitilmeydighan dehqan sazendilerdur. Hem ular ozlirining Xitaygha bolghan muhabbetini izhar qilip naxshimu eytmaydu. Ular en’eniwiy ghezellerni naxsha qilip oquydu. Sizche ularni siyasi meqsitingizning qurbani qilsingiz toghra bolarmu? Ularning siler qilghan bu namayishtin qanchilik qoruqqanlighi we gheripsingeligini men yaxshi tesewur qilalaymen.
Siler bu dehqan artistlarning qandaq his qilghanlighi bilen karimiz yoq dep qarisanglar, eger men silerge “Gherip medeniyet paaliyetlirini orunlashturghuchi teshkilat-orunlarni Uyghur medeniyeti paaliyetlirini orunlashturmasliqqa dewet qilish tolimu asan bir ish” disem uchaghda siler ning karinglar bolushi mumkin. Dolan muqamchillirida Gheriplik tamashibinlarni qiziqturidighan alahide xususiyet bar. Tamashibinlargha bildurudighan siyasi shekildiki namayishlarning orni konsert bashlinishtin burun yaki axirlashqandin keyin tiyatirxanisining sirtida bolsa muwapiq.

Egerde siler oz medeniyitinglarni hormetlimisenglar, qandaqmu bashqilardin hormetke erishishni kutusiler?

Rachel Harris
(Englishchidin Aziz Isa terjime qildi)

Unregistered
22-10-07, 17:30
you are the same old dog that bark at your own people to please the Chinese and others ... it is not waht you did that made the Uighur issue global, it is the "lower quality Uyghur representatives" in Washington and Europe. brainwashed hotheaded guys like you like to chew the old bone thrown by your chinese masters in beijing and think that your people would somehow become free as long as you could beat your drum....and never talk politics. beating drums has never made any people free in the world.

what did you do for your cause of freedom except demonizing those brave ones risking everything? if you do not like those "lower quality Uyghur representatives", why do not you stand up and represent your people since you are of "higher" quality? you are just ashamed of your own people. people like you think you are of "higher quality" because, unlike your own peole, you always kiss up to the chinese, turks and others.

SCREW YOUR HIGHER QUALITRY ...



an old dog,
new tricks.....


Dear Rachel,

similar things happened in DC back in 2002...at the Folklife Festival

I managed to avoid few things which would have caused headaches when the calligrapher and the papermaker returned to their homeland,

Knowing how much you like Uyghur culture and

and reading your message is a bit disturbing.


Should I apologize in their stead ?

On the other hand those guys are specimens of lower quality Uyghur representatives,

who have limited imagination - if any -

as how to present a cause and receive according glovalb atttention

Unregistered
22-10-07, 18:29
i think despair and hopelessness pushes people towards extremism,and in these difficult times
we ugyhurs should act with our at-most sanity and tolerance.......
we should not allow ourselves to turn into extrem nationalists with no tolerance for others.
you get support when u have a just cause,try to do it the wright way....

the 2008 cultural event is a huge thing in Europe and it is stupid to involve politics in this way.....we can always do the fuss in some appropriate time...

Rachel Harris
23-10-07, 09:59
Dear all

To those who have used my posting as an excuse to make personal attacks on my husband:

You despicable cowards! Spit your poison at me, and sign your names!

To those who have been kind enough to respond to my posting with reasoned debate: thankyou!

I appreciate the conviction of the activists involved in the Holland demonstration, but I do think that this strategy is self-destructive. Do you really regard every example of Uyghur culture or achievement to come out of the Uyghur homeland as Chinese propaganda, simply because the Chinese government let it out? How far will you go? When Adil Hoshur walks his tightrope across the Straits of Medina, will you cut the rope and cheer as he falls, ‘Another blow struck against Chinese propaganda’?

Rachel Harris

Unregistered
23-10-07, 13:32
Dear Rachel,

No Uyghur would ever cut the tightrope of Adil Hoshur and cheer if he falls. You still don't seem to understand that Uyghurs are not against Uyghur musicians, singers, dancers or tightrope walkers. We are against the Chiese government's use of Uyghur culture as its propaganda tool. You should make a distinction here.

Do you honestly believe that the Chinese government has brought the Uyghur peasant singers and dancers to Holland and earlier to Sweden and other countries to show the Uyghur culture with a good intent? I don't think so because the Chinese government's intent is inherently evil. It has brought the Uyghurs to Holland and elsewhere to show how the Chinese government has promoted the Uyghur culture and how happy these Uyghurs are under Chinese rule.

Tell me, which European would believe that Uyghurs were suffering persecution in CHina by seeing the "joyful" songs and dances of these Uyghur musicians? Almost no one because most of them know little or nothing about Uyghurs.

If it is not the CHinese government that brought the Uyghur musicians but you did, we would most welcome and cheer for you and teh musicians. Because your intent is to show the genuine Uyghur culture, not to do political propaganda. We'd rather trust you than the CCP, which has been persecuting the Uyghurs and eliminating our culture.

I hope you understand my point.

Uyghur activist in Holland




Dear all

To those who have used my posting as an excuse to make personal attacks on my husband:

You despicable cowards! Spit your poison at me, and sign your names!

To those who have been kind enough to respond to my posting with reasoned debate: thankyou!

I appreciate the conviction of the activists involved in the Holland demonstration, but I do think that this strategy is self-destructive. Do you really regard every example of Uyghur culture or achievement to come out of the Uyghur homeland as Chinese propaganda, simply because the Chinese government let it out? How far will you go? When Adil Hoshur walks his tightrope across the Straits of Medina, will you cut the rope and cheer as he falls, ‘Another blow struck against Chinese propaganda’?

Rachel Harris

Unregistered
23-10-07, 13:56
Commentary: Chinese-Uighur culture clash in Sweden

ESKILSTUNA, Oct. 1
CHEN SHIZHONG
Guest Commentary

China's Xinjiang Song and Dance Company gave two wonderful performances in Eskilstuna city in Sweden on Sept. 8th and 9th. At first glance, this kind of cultural performance would appear completely apolitical. However, at the same time a full-page editorial appeared in the city's biggest newspaper criticizing the Eskilstuna Cultural Bureau for allowing the event. The article accused city bureaucrats of fawning on the autocratic Chinese authorities. Obviously, the editorial viewed the performance as political.

The newspaper pointed out that the art troupe came from Xinjiang Province in northwest China, home to the Uighur minority group, which is oppressed by the Chinese authorities. Uighur organizations outside China had warned that Beijing would use such performances as a propaganda tool, to create a happy image of the Xinjiang people under the rule of the Chinese government.

Cultural exchanges are a normal means of international interaction. However, the Chinese authorities use them as an opportunity to disseminate propaganda. As always, staff from the Chinese Embassy handed out all kinds of brochures, books and CDs to the audiences, to give the impression that the people of Xinjiang are living a happy life without disputes or conflicts.

At the same time, when a group of Uighurs living in Sweden tried to hand out their own materials, they were stopped by the embassy staff. Even the local police came to block their activities. These Uighurs were not even allowed to talk to the members of the performing team.

What did the city government do regarding this protest? Did it try to correct the behavior of the staff from the Chinese Embassy? Did it apologize to the Uighur activists? Or maybe it expressed apologies to the embassy staff, who were offended by the freedom of speech in Sweden?

China is an important country to Sweden. It is beneficial for the two countries to exchange opinions and carry out dialogue with each other. Commercial and cultural cooperation is conducive to future political cooperation. However, Swedish officials need to be more aware of what is going on behind the scenes when they participate in these exchange programs.

China, which will host the Olympic Games next year, is making great effort to disseminate a positive picture of its "open" society. Exporting culture to other countries is part of China's propaganda strategy. Therefore, when China brings entertainment to Sweden, the Swedish government should not simply bend to the requests of the Chinese authorities. The Swedish organizers have the moral responsibility to respect diverse opinions rather than standing with the Chinese government.

Unfortunately, the city government of Eskilstuna chose to let the Chinese authorities express their views freely, while blocking the supporters of democracy at the door. This is a bad precedent for future cultural exchange between China and Sweden.

--

(Professor Chen Shizhong is a retired professor from Harbin University in northeast China. He has received honors for his teaching, research and social activities. He is now a freelance writer focusing on China affairs. This article is edited and translated from the Chinese by UPI Asia Online; the original can be found at www.ncn.org. ©Copyright Chen Shizhong.)

http://www.upiasiaonline.com/society_culture/2007/10/01/commentary_chineseuighur_culture_clash_in_sweden/



i think despair and hopelessness pushes people towards extremism,and in these difficult times
we ugyhurs should act with our at-most sanity and tolerance.......
we should not allow ourselves to turn into extrem nationalists with no tolerance for others.
you get support when u have a just cause,try to do it the wright way....

the 2008 cultural event is a huge thing in Europe and it is stupid to involve politics in this way.....we can always do the fuss in some appropriate time...

Kichik Uyghur
23-10-07, 14:07
Heve a luky day...

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Dear Rachel, you are an nice woman, we must be respekting your openion . but we know what we doing right now.You have been all lot of good thing doing for Uyghur People...we are do not porget it is at all. Please do not be contenu to be disgussing with us.Please do yourself,what your occupation, what would you like to do .but we do what, what we like to do. Please, We do not want to be with you disgussion and break up the good relation with you. Please do not be misunderestand... heve a luky day...thankyou..
Goodby!





Dear all

To those who have used my posting as an excuse to make personal attacks on my husband:

You despicable cowards! Spit your poison at me, and sign your names!

To those who have been kind enough to respond to my posting with reasoned debate: thankyou!

I appreciate the conviction of the activists involved in the Holland demonstration, but I do think that this strategy is self-destructive. Do you really regard every example of Uyghur culture or achievement to come out of the Uyghur homeland as Chinese propaganda, simply because the Chinese government let it out? How far will you go? When Adil Hoshur walks his tightrope across the Straits of Medina, will you cut the rope and cheer as he falls, ‘Another blow struck against Chinese propaganda’?

Rachel Harris

Unregistered
23-10-07, 20:02
Dear Rachel, I do not know you, but I heard many good things about you. You brought up an important topic to discuss. I thank you for that. But, it seems you are misinformed about what happened in Netherlands and this discussion in general. It is true that this is being a heated debate--you are quite passionate yourself, but I do not see any one attacking you or your husband. Only one person appear to be a little irritated at what he seemed to believe your husband is talking through your mouth to make his point appear more legitimate. While it may not be the politest way to express one's opinion, it does not constitute a personal attack by any standard. Here is summary of majority of the postings on this subject-- it is wrong to turn every cultural event into a stage to make political statement. But, we can use good judgment to select some events to make our side of the story heard. In general, if an event is organized and sponsored by the Chinese government, it is fair to distribute brochures at the event explaining what is really happening to Uyghurs without disrupting the show and not negatively affecting the mood of the audiences. Because, if the Chinese organizes an Uyghur cultural event, they are simply being hypocritical. It is fair to believe that they want to appear to be supporting the Uyghur culture while they are in reality trying everything to destroy it. But, it is wrong to organize any political activity at events organized and sponsored by individuals or entities that are not the representatives of the Chinese government. Every body agrees that boycotting any event no matter who the organizers are is wrong. From the report posted here, Uyghurs in Netherlands did not boycott the event, on the contrary, they joined in the meshrep part (meshrep refers to public dance segment where every body is expected to join in), they did not disrupt the show in any way. They just put on shirts with East Turkistan flags and distributed brochures in the hallways. If the Chinese consul distributed their brochures, it is only fair that Uyghur activists distributed theirs. The performers may be simple peasants, but they could understand that the activities of the Uyghur activists were not directed against them and that it was matter between their Chinese organizers and Uyghur activists. It may not affect them in negative way, because they did nothing wrong, they were simply doing what they came for---performing.
I hope this will help you understand where this discussion is going.

Dear all

To those who have used my posting as an excuse to make personal attacks on my husband:

You despicable cowards! Spit your poison at me, and sign your names!

To those who have been kind enough to respond to my posting with reasoned debate: thankyou!

I appreciate the conviction of the activists involved in the Holland demonstration, but I do think that this strategy is self-destructive. Do you really regard every example of Uyghur culture or achievement to come out of the Uyghur homeland as Chinese propaganda, simply because the Chinese government let it out? How far will you go? When Adil Hoshur walks his tightrope across the Straits of Medina, will you cut the rope and cheer as he falls, ‘Another blow struck against Chinese propaganda’?

Rachel Harris

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24-10-07, 06:14
Dear all

To those who have used my posting as an excuse to make personal attacks on my husband:

You despicable cowards! Spit your poison at me, and sign your names!

To those who have been kind enough to respond to my posting with reasoned debate: thankyou!

I appreciate the conviction of the activists involved in the Holland demonstration, but I do think that this strategy is self-destructive. Do you really regard every example of Uyghur culture or achievement to come out of the Uyghur homeland as Chinese propaganda, simply because the Chinese government let it out? How far will you go? When Adil Hoshur walks his tightrope across the Straits of Medina, will you cut the rope and cheer as he falls, ‘Another blow struck against Chinese propaganda’?

Rachel Harris

Rachel:

I just can't uunderstand why the people here are being so nice to you. If what you have writen had been writen by a Uyghur, he/she could have been treated completely differently. Still you seem to be not grateful. There are some very very reasonable unswers to your stupid initial remark, and also for the second even more stupid one.

Do you know what is the disrespect for the one's culture? You are in no position of accusing the people who are fighting for the reservation of the very culture. They want to preserve it totally, not only on the stage. You didn't show any sign of respect for their endeavors. Instead of making confronting, arrogant and somehow stupid accusations, you should have given your sincere advices, but you failed to do so, and in the second post you have gone too far.

Believe me, if Adil walks on the rope anywhere in the near future, Uyghurs will join him from all over the world. They might carry what they want, but make no mistake to be worried, they will never ever make any harm for their hero.

blue wolf

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24-10-07, 20:10
Dear All:
I've read most of the debates in regarding this matter, I do understand every body's point. People who joined the debates obviously very much care about our culture and our future, we are in such difficult time, and we desperately need people in the west to support and help us to let the world to hear the voice of the Uyghurs. Rachel experienced huge difficulties trying to invite Uyghur Artists from our country to the UK due to the similar event happened here in the UK, that incident provided very good reason to the Chinese goverment not give permission to our artists come abroad to act, because they fear the gigs will be used for political propaganda. We do need propagate our sufferings, but in a sensible and proper way. It is important to act brave, but fight with strength not with weakness.

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25-10-07, 10:09
Rachel is not saying not to demonstrate. She meant not to demonstrate while they r performing. Read and analyse well Rachle's letter first please before keep urself busy with winning in an argument or discussion.!!!


Dear Rachel,

No Uyghur would ever cut the tightrope of Adil Hoshur and cheer if he falls. You still don't seem to understand that Uyghurs are not against Uyghur musicians, singers, dancers or tightrope walkers. We are against the Chiese government's use of Uyghur culture as its propaganda tool. You should make a distinction here.

Do you honestly believe that the Chinese government has brought the Uyghur peasant singers and dancers to Holland and earlier to Sweden and other countries to show the Uyghur culture with a good intent? I don't think so because the Chinese government's intent is inherently evil. It has brought the Uyghurs to Holland and elsewhere to show how the Chinese government has promoted the Uyghur culture and how happy these Uyghurs are under Chinese rule.

Tell me, which European would believe that Uyghurs were suffering persecution in CHina by seeing the "joyful" songs and dances of these Uyghur musicians? Almost no one because most of them know little or nothing about Uyghurs.

If it is not the CHinese government that brought the Uyghur musicians but you did, we would most welcome and cheer for you and teh musicians. Because your intent is to show the genuine Uyghur culture, not to do political propaganda. We'd rather trust you than the CCP, which has been persecuting the Uyghurs and eliminating our culture.

I hope you understand my point.

Uyghur activist in Holland

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25-10-07, 10:14
Gollandyiediki uygur bashlirining sapasi sel osishi kerekken.

RFAArticle
25-10-07, 16:29
Hemminglargha salam,

RFA radiosining xewirini anglap beqinglar. Gollandiyediki uyghur paaliyetchilirining, shu kundiki oyun qoyulush meydanida elip barghan paaliyetliri we sehnide nime ishlar bolghanlighidin xewer tapisiler.

http://www.rfa.org/uyghur/xewerler/tepsili_xewer/2007/10/22/gollandiye-sherqi-turkistan/

Dear all,

Please listen the RFA report in Uyghur (if you understand Uyghur), I might be able to find out what really happend during the event in Holland.

http://www.rfa.org/uyghur/xewerler/tepsili_xewer/2007/10/22/gollandiye-sherqi-turkistan/

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25-10-07, 23:21
Baxliklar Awistiraliyaning Adelaide xahridikidak bolsa bolidu.


Gollandyiediki uygur bashlirining sapasi sel osishi kerekken.