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05-09-06, 13:31
Gherbiy rayonni échish we az sanliq milletlerning til medeniyiti
Aptori : Chénshöshün
Terjiman : Barlas
Junggoda islahat élip bérilghan, ishik échiwétilgendin buyan, bolupmu 20-esirning axirqi yillirida merkez gherbiy rayonni échish istratégiyisini yürgüzgendin kéyinki iqtisadning téz sür’ette tereqqiy qilishigha egiship gherbiy junggodiki az sanliq millet rayonlirida tirikchilik qilish, tereqqiy qilish meqsitidiki xenzu tili öginish dolquni kötürüldi. Buning daghdughisi, kölimi, tesiri ilgiri körülüp baqmighan idi. Bu jehette shinjangdiki milliy qérindashlarmu misli körülmigen derijide aktip awaz qoshti. 2001-yil 1-ayning 15-küni shinjang uyghur aptonom rayonluq 9-nöwetlik xelq qurultiyining 4-yighini échilghanda «shinjang iqtisad géziti» “jenubiy shinjangdin kelgen wekillerning xenzu tili oqutushi toghrisidiki muraji’iti” serlewhelik xewer berdi. Xewerde mundaq déyildi:
“jenubiy shinjang rayonida ma’arip asasi ajiz, xenzu tili oqutquchiliri qis bolushi shu jayning ijtimaiy, iqtisadiy tereqqiyatini chüshep qoydi. Kashigher, xoten, qizilsudin kelgen wekiller bu heqte toxtalghanda öz texirsizlikni bildürüshti.
Kashigher konasheher nahiyisidin kelgen wekil ferhad seid bu heqte toxtilip mundaq dédi: nöwette nahiyimizdiki 600din artuq xelq oqutquchisining sapasi töwen bolghachqa oqutush süpitining yuqiri kötürülishige éghir tesir yetküzdi. Déhqanlarning namratliqtin qutulup beyishigha yardem bérishte, déhqan-charwichilarning kirimini ashurushta asasliqi pen-téxnikigha, ma’aripqa tayinimiz. Emgekchilerning sapasini östürüshte asas ma’ariptin bashlap ching tutush kérek. Buning üchün xenzu tili oqutushini kücheytmey bolmaydu.
Kériye nahiyisidin kelgen wekil Muhemmedjan Ghopurmu öz qarishini bayan qilip mundaq dédi: nöwette kériye nahiyiside mektebte oquwatqan oqughuchi 36ming bolup, bashlan’ghuch mektebtin toluqsiz ottura mektebke örlep oqush nisbiti aran 47%, kériye nahiyisi yene 500 oqutquchigha éhtiyajliq, uning üstige xenzu tili oqutquchiliri nahayiti qis. Nöwette nahiyidiki barliq bashlan’ghuch mektebte xenzuche sözleydighan birmu oqutquchi yoq. Bultur nahiye boyiche tunji qétim bir xenzu tili sinipi échildi, shu jaydiki déhqanlar buningdin xewer tapqandin kéyin bes-beste perzentlirini shu sinipqa ekilip bérishti, emma sinip we oqutush esliheliri yétishmigenliktin ularning bu arzusi köpükke aylandi. ”
Wekillerning yuqiriqi sadasidin shuni hés qilalaymizki, shu jaydiki Uyghur qérindashlar ailisining namratliqtin qutulup béyishini, iqtisadiy tereqqiyatni we pen-téxnikida yüksilishni, perzentlirining kélechikini we tirikchilik teqdirini xenzu tili medeniyiti bilen zich baghlighan. Wehalenki, shey’iler tereqqiyati tekshi bolmaydu. 2002-yilning axirida, Uyghurche «shinjang medeniyiti» yurnilining 6-sanida doctor Abdureuf Polat Teklimakaniyning«“muhekimetul lugheteyin” din “qosh tili oqutushighiche”» serlewhelik maqalisi élan qilinip, shinjangdiki aliy mekteb we ottura téxnikumlarda xenzu tilida kespiy ders ötülishi qosh tilliq oqutushning “yekke tilliq oqutushqa özgertilishi” , bu Uyghur tilida oqutushni emeldin qaldurghanliq, shunga Uyghur tilini “qoghdash” kérek, dep qaraldi. Bu maqalining xenzuche terjimisi 30 ming xetke yéqin bolup, aptorning hökümetning tedbirige bolghan chüshenmesliki bilinip turidu.
Bu xil hadise bashqa jaylardimu mewjut. Sichuanlik Yizu millitidin bolghan yazghuchi Lo chingchün ependi«junggo milletliri» yurnilining 2002-yilliq 6-sanida «menggülük makan» serlewhelik maqale élan qilip bu xil rohiy halitini ipadiligen. U maqaliside: “köp menbelik medeniyet omumiyüzlük toqunishiwatqan, zor kölemde birikiwatqan, keng dairide dawalghuwatqan bu zor dewr éqimida méning barliqim bolmish sap, bay Yizu milliti ana til medeniyitimning misli körülmigen derijide dawalghush we buzghunchiliqqa uchrawatqanliqini, xenzu tili tepekkurum we xenzu tilida bayan qilish iqtidarimning üzlüksiz yuqiri kötürülishige egiship jismimdiki ana til tuyghumning, ana til tepekkurumning we ana til parasitimning kündin-kün’ge ajizlap yoqilip bériwatqanliqini chongqur hés qilmaqtimen. Shunga her waqit rohiyitimning chongqur qatlimidin oxchup chiqiwatqan ghelite qimirlash we qorqunchni tuyup turuwatimen” dep yazdi.
Yuqiriqi bayanlarni tetqiq qilip béqishqa erziydu: ularning her ikkisi az sanliq millet qérindash, néme üchün ularning xenzu tili medeniyitige tutqan pozitsiyiside shunchilik zor perqler peyda bolidu? Néme üchün bezi az sanliq millet ziyaliyliri we kadirliri öz millitining asasiy qatlamdiki ammisi bilen teng qedemde yürelmeydu? Teng qedemde mangalmasliqning özi inaqsizliq amili bolup, bu jem’iyet, iqtisad we medeniyet tereqqiyatigha tesir körsitidu. Emeliyette bu ikki parche maqalining chiqish nuqtisi oxshash bolmisimu emma gherbiy rayonni keng kölemde échish istratégiyisi yolgha qoyulghandin buyan ashu jaylardiki az sanliq millet rayonlirida omumiyüzlük saqliniwatqan az sanliq milletlerning til medeniyiti qandaq tereqqiy qilishi kérek? Xenzu tili medeniyiti bilen az sanliq milletler til medeniyiti qandaq munasiwette? Gherbiy rayonni keng kölemde échishta az sanliq milletler til medeniyitining orni barmu-yoq?... dégendek mesililer ekis ettürülgen. Az sanliq millet ziyaliylirining idiyiside peyda bolghan bu mesililerge biz ilmiy jawab bérishimiz kérek, undaq bolmighanda bu mesililerning jem’iyet, iqtisad we medeniyet tereqqiyatigha körsitidighan ekis tesiri bizning tereqqiyatimizgha paydisiz bolup qalidu.
1. Gherbiy rayondiki azsanliq milletlerning qosh til en’enisi
Junggoning gherbiy rayonni keng kölemde échishi 12ölke(aptonom rayon, sheher)ni öz ichige alidu, köpinchisi azsanliq milletler bilen xenzular arilash olturaqlashqan jaylar bolup, azsanliq millet we xenzu tilliri medeniyiti zich gireliship ketken qosh til(köp til)medeniyiti rayonidur. Bu xil hadise yéqinqi zamanda shekillen’gen bolmastin belki qedimdinla bar idi. Alayluq, shinjang(qedimqi gherbiy diyar) da miladi 2-esirde qarushti(karushti?)yéziqi hindistandin qordan(xoten, udun)gha kirgen, qordan padshahi qarushti yéziqida pul quydurghanda xenzu yéziqinimu yandashturghan, kéyinkiler bu pulni “xenzu-qarushti yéziqi chüshürülüp quyulghan pul” dep atashqan. Nawada eyni zamanda qordan elide xenzular bolmighan bolsa yaki nahayiti az bolghan bolsa we yaki yerlik ahaliler xenzu tili medeniyitige qiziqmighan bolsa qordan padshahimu ashu ikki xil yéziqta pul quyush permani chüshürmigen bolatti. Cheklik matériyallardin qarighanda “xenzuche-qarushtiche yéziq chüshürülüp quyulghan pul” dunyadiki eng burunqi ikki xil yéziq chüshürülüp quyulghan pul bolsa kérek. Mana bu junggoning gherbiy diyarida qedimdinla “milletler barawerliki”, “til barawerlik” uqumining barliqini chüshendürüp béridu.
Miladi 3-esirdin 9-esirgiche gherbiy diyarda ilgir-axir qizil, qumtur, bézeklik tash ghar ibadetxaniliri qurulghan hemde tash ghar tamliridiki tam resimliride xenzu we eyni zamanda shu jaylarda qolliniliwatqan azsanliq millet yéziqliri (agniy<qarasheher>- küsen yéziqliri, uyghur yéziqi)da mawzu, yilname we aptor isim-famililiri oyulghan.
Miladi 732-yili «Költékin menggü téshi» tiklen’gende bu mengü tashtiki xenzuche tékistni Tang shuenzong öz qelimi bilen yazghan, türkche tékistni qaghan aghzaki éytip bergen, qol astidikiliri xatiriligen. Bu ikki xil yéziqtiki tékist menggü tashqa oyulghan, emma ikki xil yéziqtiki tékistning mezmuni oxshash emes, shundaqtimu ikki terep bir-birini chetke qéqishmighan, mana bu ikki terepning xenzu tili medeniyiti bilen türk tili medeniyitining menggü bille mewjud bolushini ümid qilidighanliqini pütkül dunyagha namayan qilghanliqidin dérek béridu.
Miladi 775-yili «Bilge qaghan menggü téshi»tiklendi. Menggü tash tékisti oxshashla xenzuche, türkche oyulghan bolup, sherqiy türk xanliqining qaghani Bilge qaghanning katta töhpiliri medhiyilen’gen. Bu menggü tashni qaghan jemeti tikligen bolup, bu türk xanliqida xenzu tilining qollinilidighanliqi we xenzu tili medeniyitining ulughlinidighanliqidin dérek béridu.
Miladi 814-yili «Toqquz Uyghur qaghani menggü téshi» tiklen’gendimu xenzuche, türkche, soghdiche tékistler arqiliq Uyghur xaqanining ishizliri we Uyghur élining tang sulalisi bilen bolghan munasiwiti bayan qilin’ghan.
Tarix chaqi toxtawsiz ilgirilep 18-esirge kelgende, yeni miladi 1764-yili turpanda «Sulayman wang munari abidisi» tiklinip, abide tékisti chaghatayche(kona Uyghurche)-xenzuche oyulghan.
«shinjang omumiy tezkirisi ___ til-yéziq tezkirisi»de gherbiy diyarda 2000 yildin köprek waqittin buyan Hun tili, qordan(xoten) sak tili, xenzu tili, niya tili, agniy(qarasheher) –küsen tili, türk tili, soghdi tili, Uyghur tili, mongghul tili, manjur tili qatarliq 30 nechche xil til, xenzu yéziqi, qarushti yéziqi, qordan(xoten) yéziqi, türk yéziqi, soghdi yéziqi, süriye yéziqi, Uyghur yéziqi, ereb yéziqi, xaqaniye yéziqi, chaghatay yéziqi qatarliq 20 nechche xil yéziq qollinilghanliqi tepsiliy xatirilen’gen. shunisi qiziqarliqki, bularning ichide nurghun milletlerning til-yéziqi yoqalghan bolsimu peqet xenzu til-yéziqila shu jaydiki azsanliq milletler til-yéziqi bilen birlikte bügünki kün’ge qeder dawamliship keldi. Bu, her millet ejdadliri ming yillarche emeliyet dawamida saqlap kelgen en’enedur. Xenzu tili bilen milliy til birlikte mewjud bolghan iken, milliy-xenzu tilidin ibaret qosh til ma’aripining bolushi muqerrer. «shimaliy sulaliler tarixi, 97-jild, idiqut tezkirisi»de: “ ju sulalisi dewride idiqut élide 16 sheher bar idi, süy sulalisi dewrige kelgende 18 sheher bolghan. Sheherler xéli chong bolup, chongining kölimi 1840 qedem kélidu, ordida xanning meslihet sorishi üchün sizilghan kong zining resimi bar, idiqut élining resm-yosuni, xan permani xuashya éliningkige oxshap kétidu… yéziqimu xuashya yéziqigha oxshap ketsimu Ghuz yéziqi bille qollinilidu. Mawxeng nezmiliri, muhakime we bayan tékinlerge( beglerning oghulliri) ögitilidu, yéziqi xuashya yéziqi bolsimu Ghuz tilida oqulidu” dégen xatiriler bar(«shinjangning yerlik tarix matériyalliridin tallanma» din élindi, xelq neshriyati 1987-yil neshri).
«yéziqi xuashya yéziqi bolsimu Ghuz tilida oqulidu» dégen bayandin körüwélish mumkinki, miladi 6-esirde turpanning milliy ma’aripida xenzu til-yéziqidin terjime qilin’ghan milliy tildiki derslikler bolghan. Démek késip éytalaymizki, qedimqi gherbiy diyar( bügünki shinjang)da milliyche-xenzuche qosh til ma’aripi bolghan, bügünki künde shinjangning yerlik hökümitining qosh tilliq oqutushni kücheytishi yenila qedimqi gherbiy diyardiki qosh tilliq oqutush en’enisining warsliq qilinishi we dawami, shundaqla junggoning gherbiy qisimidiki qosh til medeniyitining muhim alahidilikining biri. Bu tarixiy pakitni bashlan’ghuch mektebtin bashlap omumlashturup, azsanliq milletler rayonliridiki barliq milly-xenzu qérindashlargha bildürüsh kérek. Qosh til en’enisi shinjangni öz ichige alghan junggoning gherbiy qisimidiki qosh til medeniyitining junggoche alahidilikining biridur.
Bu yerde shuni körsitip ötüsh zörürki, Kashigheriyening jenubidiki qaraqurum (atalmish “kuénlun téghi”__ terjimandin) taghliri jungxua medeniyitining gherb tereptiki menbesi. Qarushti-xenzu yéziqi chüshürülgen puldin ilgirila qordan qashtéshi(xoten qashtéshi) ottura tüzlenglikke yétip barghan. Alidinqi chin beglikide ötken mutepekkur Shi zi(texminen miladidin burunqi 390-yildin 330-yilghiche yashighan) nahayiti éniq qilip : “qashtéshi ekelmek besiy müshküldur, nurghun derya-köllerni kezgendila andin qaraqurum taghliridiki qashtéshi chiqidighan jaygha barghili bolidu, u yerge 1000 adem yolgha chiqsa 100 adem, 100 adem yolgha chiqsa 10 adem qaytip kéleleydu” dep yazghan. Bu yerdiki müshküllük urush malimanchiliqi bolmastin belki 2400 yillar burunqi qaraqurumgha bérip qordan(xoten) qashtéshi qézishning qiyinliqidur. 1976-yili xénen ölkisining enyang dégen yéridiki shang sulalisining padshahi (miladidin burunqi 1238-yildin 1178-yilghiche) xanishining qebrisidin nahayiti nefis ishlen’gen 756parche qashtéshi buyumliri qéziwélindi, tekshürüsh arqiliq bularning pütünley xoten qashtéshi ikenliki ispatlandi. Buningdin 3200yillar ilgirila xoten qashtéshining ottura tüzlengliktiki shang sulalisining ordisigha zor miqdarda élip bérilghanliqini körüwalgghili bolidu.Qashtéshi medeniyitidin biliwélish mumkinki, milliy-xenzu til medeniyiti tarim oymanliqida mewjud bolup kelginige 3000 yildin ashqan. Mana bu bizning mesilini tonushimizning chiqish nuqtisidur.
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The History of Moderin Uyghur

By a GERMAN Historian

People talking about Uyghurs must always be aware that almost each modern nation designation represents only one particular people of many different peoples who became on culture over the course of the History. Thus we call the Chinese by the name of only one of many "ethnos" who played a role in "Chinese" history. In other cases we even call a particular people by different names. In case of my people, Americans call us "Germans," a word originating from a Celtic designation for one tribe whose name was "Tongrer". Some Slavic peoples call us "Swabes," which is the name of only one of our peoples. Latin speaking Europeans call us "Aleman," which was just another tribe. Our own designation is "Deutsch," definitely a Celtic name.

Uyghur is our designation for the peoples of East Turkistan, and we are aware that only a part of the contemporary Uyghur population can be regarded as "pure" descendants of the people who once ruled Mongolia. Tocharians, Ärya, Saka, Basmil, Karakhanids and many other peoples, who all became part of the modern Uyghur Nation, are -theoretically- legal designations for the Uyghur people.

No matter what we call them, Uyghurs must be regarded as the indigenous people of East Turkistan.

Uyghurs are a people with a long and amazing history that stretches back more than 4,000 years, which started with the arrival of representatives of the proto-European race, a people very similar to the ancient peoples of Russia and Northern Europe. Somewhat later, typical representatives of at least two branches of the gracile and darker complexioned Mediterranean sub branch of the greater European race appeared in the South and West, and in the eastern regions very unique representatives of a "proto-Tibetan" race mixed with the proto-Europeans. Note that this dolichocephalous race with a narrow face, very high orbits and very pronounced cheekbones had racially and culturally nothing to do with the Chinese of past and present.

In the Iron Age - or possibly much earlier - the ancient Hu-Chieh, who also are known as Kao-ch'e, settled to the North of the peoples of East Turkistan. Ancient Chinese sources say the Hu-Chieh were from a Dinlin origin. To the North of Hu-Chieh settled the Dinlin (T'ieh-lê) Turks, whom Oshanin called the "legendary blond race of Central Asia". Further north settled another race of "red haired and green eyed Barbarians" known as the ancient Hja-g'ja-sz (Chien-Kun) Turks, designated by our scholars as "Yennisey Kirkiz". The Hja-g’ja-sz became the most important enemy of the Hu-Chieh/Kao-ch'e in the days Hu-Chieh ruled over all of Mongolia.

This Hu-Chieh/Kao-ch'e we designate as "historical Uyghurs" were originally a Southern Altaic people, who may have had originated in the vast region from Hovd to Semipalatinsk. This means that they originated from a region that included large parts of Djungaria, which was, is and (hopefully) forever will be part of East Turkistan.

Iron ties always connected the peoples of the northern Oasis cities and the Altaics. Therefore the Hsiung-Nu Batur Tangriqut also attacked Hu-Chieh when conquering the Yueh-chi. It is written that the Hu-chieh/Uyghur of the 175 B.C. had been "under the control of the Yueh-chi up to that time" (History of Early Civilizations of Central Asia. Vol. 2, p.175). Somewhat later the Hsiung-Nu Chih-chih attacked the ancient Turpanliks before he finally did what was the original reason of his mission: attacking the Hu-chieh/Uyghur to the North of the ancient Turpanliks

These ancient ties makes clear why the conquest of the Turpan region by the "historical Uyghurs" was so peaceful: "Literature kept alive its former intellectual activity," the "Buddhist and Nestorian" character of the "old Tocharian country" (Grousset) was left untouched, and agriculture, which still is the main profession of the Turpanliks, was improved.

The "historical Uyghurs" neither killed the "Tocharians" nor drove them out of East Turkistan. The result of the historical Uyghur "conquest" was that the people of the Northern Oasis cities and the "historical Uyghurs" melted together to become one part of the modern Uyghur Nation.


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The History of Moderin Uyghur
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The History of Moderin Uyghur

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The History of Moderin Uyghur


People talking about Uyghurs must always be aware that almost each modern nation designation represents only one particular people of many different peoples who became on culture over the course of the History. Thus we call the Chinese by the name of only one of many "ethnos" who played a role in "Chinese" history. In other cases we even call a particular people by different names. In case of my people, Americans call us "Germans," a word originating from a Celtic designation for one tribe whose name was "Tongrer". Some Slavic peoples call us "Swabes," which is the name of only one of our peoples. Latin speaking Europeans call us "Aleman," which was just another tribe. Our own designation is "Deutsch," definitely a Celtic name.

Uyghur is our designation for the peoples of East Turkistan, and we are aware that only a part of the contemporary Uyghur population can be regarded as "pure" descendants of the people who once ruled Mongolia. Tocharians, Ärya, Saka, Basmil, Karakhanids and many other peoples, who all became part of the modern Uyghur Nation, are -theoretically- legal designations for the Uyghur people.

No matter what we call them, Uyghurs must be regarded as the indigenous people of East Turkistan.

Uyghurs are a people with a long and amazing history that stretches back more than 4,000 years, which started with the arrival of representatives of the proto-European race, a people very similar to the ancient peoples of Russia and Northern Europe. Somewhat later, typical representatives of at least two branches of the gracile and darker complexioned Mediterranean sub branch of the greater European race appeared in the South and West, and in the eastern regions very unique representatives of a "proto-Tibetan" race mixed with the proto-Europeans. Note that this dolichocephalous race with a narrow face, very high orbits and very pronounced cheekbones had racially and culturally nothing to do with the Chinese of past and present.

In the Iron Age - or possibly much earlier - the ancient Hu-Chieh, who also are known as Kao-ch'e, settled to the North of the peoples of East Turkistan. Ancient Chinese sources say the Hu-Chieh were from a Dinlin origin. To the North of Hu-Chieh settled the Dinlin (T'ieh-lê) Turks, whom Oshanin called the "legendary blond race of Central Asia". Further north settled another race of "red haired and green eyed Barbarians" known as the ancient Hja-g'ja-sz (Chien-Kun) Turks, designated by our scholars as "Yennisey Kirkiz". The Hja-g’ja-sz became the most important enemy of the Hu-Chieh/Kao-ch'e in the days Hu-Chieh ruled over all of Mongolia.

This Hu-Chieh/Kao-ch'e we designate as "historical Uyghurs" were originally a Southern Altaic people, who may have had originated in the vast region from Hovd to Semipalatinsk. This means that they originated from a region that included large parts of Djungaria, which was, is and (hopefully) forever will be part of East Turkistan.

Iron ties always connected the peoples of the northern Oasis cities and the Altaics. Therefore the Hsiung-Nu Batur Tangriqut also attacked Hu-Chieh when conquering the Yueh-chi. It is written that the Hu-chieh/Uyghur of the 175 B.C. had been "under the control of the Yueh-chi up to that time" (History of Early Civilizations of Central Asia. Vol. 2, p.175). Somewhat later the Hsiung-Nu Chih-chih attacked the ancient Turpanliks before he finally did what was the original reason of his mission: attacking the Hu-chieh/Uyghur to the North of the ancient Turpanliks

These ancient ties makes clear why the conquest of the Turpan region by the "historical Uyghurs" was so peaceful: "Literature kept alive its former intellectual activity," the "Buddhist and Nestorian" character of the "old Tocharian country" (Grousset) was left untouched, and agriculture, which still is the main profession of the Turpanliks, was improved.

The "historical Uyghurs" neither killed the "Tocharians" nor drove them out of East Turkistan. The result of the historical Uyghur "conquest" was that the people of the Northern Oasis cities and the "historical Uyghurs" melted together to become one part of the modern Uyghur Nation.



People talking about Uyghurs must always be aware that almost each modern nation designation represents only one particular people of many different peoples who became on culture over the course of the History. Thus we call the Chinese by the name of only one of many "ethnos" who played a role in "Chinese" history. In other cases we even call a particular people by different names. In case of my people, Americans call us "Germans," a word originating from a Celtic designation for one tribe whose name was "Tongrer". Some Slavic peoples call us "Swabes," which is the name of only one of our peoples. Latin speaking Europeans call us "Aleman," which was just another tribe. Our own designation is "Deutsch," definitely a Celtic name.

Uyghur is our designation for the peoples of East Turkistan, and we are aware that only a part of the contemporary Uyghur population can be regarded as "pure" descendants of the people who once ruled Mongolia. Tocharians, Ärya, Saka, Basmil, Karakhanids and many other peoples, who all became part of the modern Uyghur Nation, are -theoretically- legal designations for the Uyghur people.

No matter what we call them, Uyghurs must be regarded as the indigenous people of East Turkistan.

Uyghurs are a people with a long and amazing history that stretches back more than 4,000 years, which started with the arrival of representatives of the proto-European race, a people very similar to the ancient peoples of Russia and Northern Europe. Somewhat later, typical representatives of at least two branches of the gracile and darker complexioned Mediterranean sub branch of the greater European race appeared in the South and West, and in the eastern regions very unique representatives of a "proto-Tibetan" race mixed with the proto-Europeans. Note that this dolichocephalous race with a narrow face, very high orbits and very pronounced cheekbones had racially and culturally nothing to do with the Chinese of past and present.

In the Iron Age - or possibly much earlier - the ancient Hu-Chieh, who also are known as Kao-ch'e, settled to the North of the peoples of East Turkistan. Ancient Chinese sources say the Hu-Chieh were from a Dinlin origin. To the North of Hu-Chieh settled the Dinlin (T'ieh-lê) Turks, whom Oshanin called the "legendary blond race of Central Asia". Further north settled another race of "red haired and green eyed Barbarians" known as the ancient Hja-g'ja-sz (Chien-Kun) Turks, designated by our scholars as "Yennisey Kirkiz". The Hja-g’ja-sz became the most important enemy of the Hu-Chieh/Kao-ch'e in the days Hu-Chieh ruled over all of Mongolia.

This Hu-Chieh/Kao-ch'e we designate as "historical Uyghurs" were originally a Southern Altaic people, who may have had originated in the vast region from Hovd to Semipalatinsk. This means that they originated from a region that included large parts of Djungaria, which was, is and (hopefully) forever will be part of East Turkistan.

Iron ties always connected the peoples of the northern Oasis cities and the Altaics. Therefore the Hsiung-Nu Batur Tangriqut also attacked Hu-Chieh when conquering the Yueh-chi. It is written that the Hu-chieh/Uyghur of the 175 B.C. had been "under the control of the Yueh-chi up to that time" (History of Early Civilizations of Central Asia. Vol. 2, p.175). Somewhat later the Hsiung-Nu Chih-chih attacked the ancient Turpanliks before he finally did what was the original reason of his mission: attacking the Hu-chieh/Uyghur to the North of the ancient Turpanliks

These ancient ties makes clear why the conquest of the Turpan region by the "historical Uyghurs" was so peaceful: "Literature kept alive its former intellectual activity," the "Buddhist and Nestorian" character of the "old Tocharian country" (Grousset) was left untouched, and agriculture, which still is the main profession of the Turpanliks, was improved.

The "historical Uyghurs" neither killed the "Tocharians" nor drove them out of East Turkistan. The result of the historical Uyghur "conquest" was that the people of the Northern Oasis cities and the "historical Uyghurs" melted together to become one part of the modern Uyghur Nation.

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06-09-06, 10:32
Yeqinda Alim telwizorda bir Xitay bilen munazire elip barghan idi. Alim u Xitayning dekkisini bergen idi. Beziler qopup, Alimning tarighi sawatliri yoq iken, u Xitaygha andaq jawap berish kerek idi dep ozini bilermen hesaplighanlarmu boldi. Bu maqalini oqusam bir Xitay yazghuchisi qosh tilliq maaripni tarixi ispatlar arqiliq qollaptu. Emdiki gep qeni heliqi tariqchilar, bu maqalige rediye berelmemdikin. Tenqit berelisingiz birnime yezip bu maqalini inkar qilip beqinge.

Unregistered
06-09-06, 23:01
Raslam helikhi aghizida her yoghan gep qilidighan tarikhchilar nege ketkendu?


Yeqinda Alim telwizorda bir Xitay bilen munazire elip barghan idi. Alim u Xitayning dekkisini bergen idi. Beziler qopup, Alimning tarighi sawatliri yoq iken, u Xitaygha andaq jawap berish kerek idi dep ozini bilermen hesaplighanlarmu boldi. Bu maqalini oqusam bir Xitay yazghuchisi qosh tilliq maaripni tarixi ispatlar arqiliq qollaptu. Emdiki gep qeni heliqi tariqchilar, bu maqalige rediye berelmemdikin. Tenqit berelisingiz birnime yezip bu maqalini inkar qilip beqinge.

Unregistered
07-09-06, 06:08
Raslam helikhi aghizida her yoghan gep qilidighan tarikhchilar nege ketkendu?


Sening aldingda tarixchi bolush guna boldimu qara sawat.uningda rediye yazghidek bir nerse yoq, özini-özi rediye qilidu.undaq chuprende ghalchlilarghmu jawap yezishqa toghra kelse bashqa ishlarni kim qilidu?

Unregistered
07-09-06, 11:47
Shundaq guna boldi. Tariqche bolsang birnime yaz. Mesulyetchanliqtin qechish wizdansizliq.


Sening aldingda tarixchi bolush guna boldimu qara sawat.uningda rediye yazghidek bir nerse yoq, özini-özi rediye qilidu.undaq chuprende ghalchlilarghmu jawap yezishqa toghra kelse bashqa ishlarni kim qilidu?