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05-05-06, 09:33
CENTRAL ASIA: Interview with Vice-President of World Uighur Congress (WUC), Mohamed Tohti


© Alex Jerebbo/IRIN

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Mohamed Tohti says Uighurs are under pressure from China throughout Central Asia

ANKARA, 5 May 2006 (IRIN) - Many Uighurs live in exile in Central Asia after fleeing repression in their native Xinjiang Province - a vast region that occupies one-sixth of China's land mass.

The emergence of the five independent states in Central Asia following the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 stimulated a separatist movement among the Uighur minority in China’s Xinjiang Uighurs Autonomous Region (XUAR).

Uighurs are a Turkic, Sunni Muslim people, with close cultural and linguistic ties to other ethnic groups in Central Asia, including Kyrgyz, Kazakhs, Uzbeks and Turkmen. Rights groups cite serious human rights abuses against the Uighurs, while Beijing has claimed it has been fighting "religious extremist forces" and "violent terrorists" in the region for more than a decade.

Mohamed Tohti, Vice-President of the WUC, in an interview with IRIN, spoke about how Uighurs living in Central Asia find themselves under increasing pressure from host governments reluctant to offend Beijing.

QUESTION: In what ways are Uighurs in Central Asia under threat from Beijing?

ANSWER: Since 1996 China has launched an intensive diplomatic and political campaign in the Central Asian countries to prosecute the Uighur democratic movement, Uighur refugees and even the leaders of the Uighur democratic movement.

China defines the Uighur “problem” as part of the "fight against three evils”, which are terrorism, religious extremism and separatism.

Q: What evidence do you have of the persecution of Uighurs in the region?

A: Since 1996, nearly 30 Uighurs, maybe more, have forcefully been sent back from Kazakhstan to China and been executed, disappeared or sentenced to long-term imprisonment. It is the same in Kyrgyzstan as well. Now China's police are openly active on those countries’ streets.

The recent arrest of Canadian citizen Huseyin Celil [an ethnic Uighur detained in the Uzbek capital Tashkent facing extradition to China] is another example. This is proof of the extension of the Chinese hand in those countries to prosecute Uighurs. At the same time it is a message to all Uighurs living in the West.

The message is clear: "We do whatever we want, wherever we want, regardless of your citizenship, if you are critical of China and if you continue to advocate for the rights of Uighurs.”

In March 2003 a bus taking Uighur vendors from Bishkek to Kashgar [capital of Xinjiang] was attacked and 21 people were killed. They were shot before the bus was torched, nobody has been held responsible for this.

Dilbrim Samsaqova was elected member of the East Turkestan National Congress in early 2000 in Kazakhstan. She was a Kazakh citizen but a strong critic of China's treatment of Uighurs. She was murdered, but those responsible for this crime have not been found yet. And there are many other such cases.

Q: What do Uighurs want, independence from China?

A: Uighurs and Uighur organisations want to be the voice of Uighur people in East Turkestan [China’s Xinjiang Uighurs Autonomous Region (XUAR)] who have no voice. Let them decide their own political future. Let them have the right to self-determination. That is goal we are fighting for, but by rejecting any kind of violence.

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Unregistered
05-05-06, 13:32
Hey Memet , muxbir uyghurlarning yurikidiki sozini aghzingha sep beriptu-ghu? yene nimishqa "shundaq , musteqillliq telep qilidu" demestin nimishqa tilingni chaynap,gep oyuni qilip yurdung. ochuqla gep qilsang etivetettimu seni birsi ?qachanmu adem bolarsenkin tang?



Q: What do Uighurs want, independence from China?

A: Uighurs and Uighur organisations want to be the voice of Uighur people in East Turkestan [China’s Xinjiang Uighurs Autonomous Region (XUAR)] who have no voice. Let them decide their own political future. Let them have the right to self-determination. That is goal we are fighting for, but by rejecting any kind of violence.

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Unregistered
05-05-06, 15:04
That is the most disappointing answer I have ever heard. Even "leaders" live in fear, what can you expect from the people? Yes, the western countries do not support Uyghur separatism or independence. But that can never be a reason to stop talking about freedom.


???

if that is what the vice-presedent of the WUC say this , All i can put for this sentence is the '?" mark only ?

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Unregistered
05-05-06, 19:33
why there is debate on that?

every one on the top level of Uyghur organizations is taking the exactly same stand as it is said on this interview.

is that just because that Memet Tohti has repeated the already known position of Uyghur Cause within the official line of Uyghur organizations?

come on guys

tell me whose stand is different ?

Unregistered
06-05-06, 05:36
It is not because M Toxti said that this dispute occurred , it is because the representative of the WUC said that sentence clearly with the tone of confidence. Is is not as easy as you said
why there is debate on that?

every one on the top level of Uyghur organizations is taking the exactly same stand as it is said on this interview.

is that just because that Memet Tohti has repeated the already known position of Uyghur Cause within the official line of Uyghur organizations?

come on guys

tell me whose stand is different ?

it is because the Voice of the Uyghur In Eastern Turkistan is not



Q: What do Uighurs want, independence from China?

A: Uighurs and Uighur organisations want to be the voice of Uighur people in East Turkestan [China’s Xinjiang Uighurs Autonomous Region (XUAR)] who have no voice. Let them decide their own political future. Let them have the right to self-determination. That is goal we are fighting for, but by rejecting any kind of violence.

[ENDS]
http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=53159&SelectRegion=Asia


If you really want to know the voice of Eastern Turkistan People , that is easy
stop any Peasant,
Stop any Business man
Stop any student
Stop any People with self-respect and self-conscious

Ask them the same question

Q: What do Uighurs want, independence from China?
A: Freedom, Independent,

Actually , I am slowly but steadily realizing that from the beginning of the last century till know still the Uyghur were/are/will be the victim of the Politics and yet I have no idea about it.

That is disappointing,
Fight for freedom is the basis of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights

what is the point of the translating the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, if you don’t understand ?
what is the point of knowing the Universal Declaration of Human Rights if you cant apply ?

Article 1.
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Are Uyghur born Free and equal Dignity ? basically no

Article 2.
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
Can you say freedom in front of the media? No you can’t say


[b]

Q: What do Uighurs want, independence from China?

A: Uighurs and Uighur organisations want to be the voice of Uighur people in East Turkestan [China’s Xinjiang Uighurs Autonomous Region (XUAR)] who have no voice. Let them decide their own political future. Let them have the right to self-determination. That is goal we are fighting for, but by rejecting any kind of violence.

[ENDS]
http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=53159&SelectRegion=Asia

William Wallace said it while he was tortured to death in “Brave Heart”

Article 3.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
Can you do have the right to life, liberty and security of the your family ?
No

Article 4.
No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.
For this even though it is not the slavery but the life down there worse then that and yet you are saying the voice of the Eastern Turkistan (may allah let me say until I die)


Article 5.
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
When I hear the torture the word , I trembled it is not because I scared it is because it rreminds the torture the Eartern Turkistan People Suffering and torture The Eartern Turkistan People experiencing
Article 6.
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.
You know the law better then me Mr Turkel you answer the question about the the right of recognition everywhere as a person before the law!!!!!!!
Article 7.
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.
You know the law better then me Mr Turkel you answer the question about the equality before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.
Article 8.
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law
As no law is working for the Uyghur in Eastern Turkistan , it is difficult to say anything about the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law

Article 9.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
You tell me the answer , any body I can pick from the message board to the street of Eastern Turkistan will know the answer even it is been so much that the Mother will scare the baby of 2 month old telling she/he will be arrested or to be held in detention ?




If I continue writing the for the answer Universal Declaration of Human Rights, that will be the endless

Read yourself and apply the terms with life, nature, condition , misery and people, anything you can imagine in Eastern Turkistan ,


Just tell me in one Word what those people in the Eastern Turkistan want

After Kasghgai,
We See

Tomur Xelipe Dead Chinese Killed
Xonjiniyaz Haji Dead Chiniese Killed
Four Prominent Leaders
Republic of Eastern Turkistan Dead By Chinese and Soviet
Muhemmet Emin Bughra Dead naturally with his eyes open (Expected to see Free Eastern Turkistan)
Isa Yusup Alptikin Dead naturally with his eyes open (Expected to see Free Eastern Turkistan)

Who will be next , no one want to be next that is why the answer


[b]

Q: What do Uighurs want, independence from China?

A: Uighurs and Uighur organisations want to be the voice of Uighur people in East Turkestan [China’s Xinjiang Uighurs Autonomous Region (XUAR)] who have no voice. Let them decide their own political future. Let them have the right to self-determination. That is goal we are fighting for, but by rejecting any kind of violence.

[ENDS]
http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=53159&SelectRegion=Asia

Isn’t it

Find the answer for the following so famous and Universal Declaration of Human Rights and see what is going on in the world and Eastern Turkistan

Thanks

Article 10.
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
Article 11.
(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.
Article 12.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
Article 13.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
Article 14.
(1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
(2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
Article 15.
(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.
Article 16.
(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.
Article 17.
(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
Article 18.
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Article 20.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.
Article 21.
(1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
(2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.
(3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.
Article 22.
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.
Article 23.
(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.
Article 24.
Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.
Article 25.
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
Article 26.
(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
(3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.
Article 27.
(1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
(2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.
Article 28.
Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.
Article 29.
(1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
(3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
Article 30.
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.











[b]CENTRAL ASIA: Interview with Vice-President of World Uighur Congress (WUC), Mohamed Tohti


© Alex Jerebbo/IRIN

http://www.irinnews.org/images/2006550.JPG
Mohamed Tohti says Uighurs are under pressure from China throughout Central Asia

ANKARA, 5 May 2006 (IRIN) - Many Uighurs live in exile in Central Asia after fleeing repression in their native Xinjiang Province - a vast region that occupies one-sixth of China's land mass.

The emergence of the five independent states in Central Asia following the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 stimulated a separatist movement among the Uighur minority in China’s Xinjiang Uighurs Autonomous Region (XUAR).

Uighurs are a Turkic, Sunni Muslim people, with close cultural and linguistic ties to other ethnic groups in Central Asia, including Kyrgyz, Kazakhs, Uzbeks and Turkmen. Rights groups cite serious human rights abuses against the Uighurs, while Beijing has claimed it has been fighting "religious extremist forces" and "violent terrorists" in the region for more than a decade.

Mohamed Tohti, Vice-President of the WUC, in an interview with IRIN, spoke about how Uighurs living in Central Asia find themselves under increasing pressure from host governments reluctant to offend Beijing.

QUESTION: In what ways are Uighurs in Central Asia under threat from Beijing?

ANSWER: Since 1996 China has launched an intensive diplomatic and political campaign in the Central Asian countries to prosecute the Uighur democratic movement, Uighur refugees and even the leaders of the Uighur democratic movement.

China defines the Uighur “problem” as part of the "fight against three evils”, which are terrorism, religious extremism and separatism.

Q: What evidence do you have of the persecution of Uighurs in the region?

A: Since 1996, nearly 30 Uighurs, maybe more, have forcefully been sent back from Kazakhstan to China and been executed, disappeared or sentenced to long-term imprisonment. It is the same in Kyrgyzstan as well. Now China's police are openly active on those countries’ streets.

The recent arrest of Canadian citizen Huseyin Celil [an ethnic Uighur detained in the Uzbek capital Tashkent facing extradition to China] is another example. This is proof of the extension of the Chinese hand in those countries to prosecute Uighurs. At the same time it is a message to all Uighurs living in the West.

The message is clear: "We do whatever we want, wherever we want, regardless of your citizenship, if you are critical of China and if you continue to advocate for the rights of Uighurs.”

In March 2003 a bus taking Uighur vendors from Bishkek to Kashgar [capital of Xinjiang] was attacked and 21 people were killed. They were shot before the bus was torched, nobody has been held responsible for this.

Dilbrim Samsaqova was elected member of the East Turkestan National Congress in early 2000 in Kazakhstan. She was a Kazakh citizen but a strong critic of China's treatment of Uighurs. She was murdered, but those responsible for this crime have not been found yet. And there are many other such cases.

Q: What do Uighurs want, independence from China?

A: Uighurs and Uighur organisations want to be the voice of Uighur people in East Turkestan [China’s Xinjiang Uighurs Autonomous Region (XUAR)] who have no voice. Let them decide their own political future. Let them have the right to self-determination. That is goal we are fighting for, but by rejecting any kind of violence.

[ENDS]
http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=53159&SelectRegion=Asia

Unregistered
06-05-06, 12:41
what he said in this statement is well corresponded and consistent with the mission statement of WUC.
final statement "to be a voice of Uyghurs in East Turkistan, let them decide their own political future and let them have their right of self determination" is excellently constructed in highly political means.
what you want and shouted for with shiny slogans and statements may not be enough for legitimacy of the claim. we should remember that final say on the future of East Turkistan is from the Uyghurs in East Turkistan. to be a voice of the people in East Turkistan explains every thing with full legitimacy.
I will support that statement. it is very clever and legitimate.

Unregistered
06-05-06, 12:46
[b] Let them decide their own political future. Let them have the right to self-determination. That is goal we are fighting for, but by rejecting any kind of violence.

[ENDS]
http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=53159&SelectRegion=Asia


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Unregistered
06-05-06, 13:03
you are right

he does not need to say it because it is in there

it is in the mission statement of all organizations.
he went much further in fact by adding the right of self detemination of the Uyghur people.
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Welcome to the Uyghur American Association website.

The Uyghur American Association (UAA) works to promote the preservation and flourishing of a rich, humanistic and diverse Uyghur culture, and to support the right of the Uyghur people to use peaceful, democratic means to determine their own political future.
www.uyghuramerican.org


Mission Statment

The main objective of the World Uyghur Congress is to promote democracy, human rights and religious freedom of the Uyghur people and use peaceful, nonviolent, and democratic means to determine their political future. By representing the Uyghur people in both East Turkestan and abroad as the sole legitimate organization in the world, WUC endeavors to set out a course for the peaceful settlement of the East Turkestan Question through dialogue and negotiation.
http://www.uyghurcongress.org/En/AboutWUC.asp?mid=1095738888

we should applaud him instead criticizing.

Unregistered
06-05-06, 21:56
Yeah, he is "smart" enough. Someone put words into his mouth, and he still didn't have enough wisdom and confidence to say it in a proper way. I thought WUC is the representative of the Uyhgur people. hmm, sounds like he wasn't even sure about the legitimacy of the organization he represents.