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08-03-10, 11:09
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khadir
08-03-10, 12:01
非常及时地发送这份报道。
说实话,维吾尔人中太多有这样的非专业间谍,线人。
真希望这样的人能够自动向所在国当局自首,摆脱共产党的阴影,向没有精神压力的空间迈出一大步,不要说伟大 的话,不要说为了某个种群,不要说为了家族,不要说为了吃饭,不要说为了《维吾尔人的未来》,不要幻想共产 党能够给维吾尔人一个美好的未来。
不要恐惧共产党能够在老家伤害家人。 请学会汉人的一个优点,对我们维吾尔人非常有用的优点----往前看!
心中有数,以牙还牙,决不对恐怖政权地头。
所有的一切为了让你可以安心地吃一口饭,不要在每一顿饭都内疚。
我们不需要埋怨别人,更不用去埋怨外国人怎么不帮我们,或者满足于某些人帮我们。
首先从自己做起,首先做一个心理,精神完全解放的维吾尔人,尤其是海外的维吾尔同胞。
一个种群,如果所有的人争相党领导,哪么谁愿意去当兵? 我们有人愿意去当兵吗? 很显然,如果所有的人都当官,这个官本身就是一个废物----
他当谁的官? 这些道理我不用多说。
如果更多的人愿意去当兵,愿意去做实事,那么出色的领导人也会自然而然的地会被这些士兵,小人 物选择出来。
维吾尔人做好准备当兵了吗?

Unregistered
08-03-10, 12:35
How do u know '说实话,维吾尔人中太多有这样的非专业间谍,线人'? Are u one of them?

Seems like u are writting from China? '首先从自己做起,首先做一个心理,精神完全解放的维吾尔人,尤其是海外的维吾尔同胞'

are You a Han ? '请学会汉人的一个优点,对我们维吾尔人非常有用的优点----往前看!', I believe, Uyghur know this better than Han!, That is how Uyghir understood the Happiness from their ancient culture. And most Han don't! They learn lie and mean from their culture.

Uyghur's leader has been elected , u don't need to say '如果更多的人愿意去当兵,愿意去做实事,那么出色的领导人也会自然而然的地会被这些士兵,小人物选择出来 。', seems like u know nothing about Uyghur.
Why you say this? '我们不需要埋怨别人,更不用去埋怨外国人怎么不帮我们,或者满足于某些人帮我们。' You get this from the air! Uyghur people has being trying hard to obtain help, and has been obtaining many and many help and support, but never complained of what you said. We are geting stronger and stronger. Concern more about your people is a better choice for you.

'一个种群,如果所有的人争相党领导,哪么谁愿意去当兵? 我们有人愿意去当兵吗?' This a typical chinese statement! which is like a ccp education to chinese in order to get people obey their rule and losing their talent.

My opinion for uyghur:only everyone trying to be a leadership, show their talent and working hard that will make uyghur grow faster, then we can find out who is better to lead us. However, some people want be a helper instead of leader that is their choice and uyghur are free to choose. Just not like what you said.

维吾尔人做好准备当兵了吗? don't bother asking this question. Uyghur people is doing what they should do already, you are just too late to show your 'talent'. lol.





非常及时地发送这份报道。
说实话,维吾尔人中太多有这样的非专业间谍,线人。
真希望这样的人能够自动向所在国当局自首,摆脱共产党的阴影,向没有精神压力的空间迈出一大步,不要说伟大 的话,不要说为了某个种群,不要说为了家族,不要说为了吃饭,不要说为了《维吾尔人的未来》,不要幻想共产 党能够给维吾尔人一个美好的未来。
不要恐惧共产党能够在老家伤害家人。 请学会汉人的一个优点,对我们维吾尔人非常有用的优点----往前看!
心中有数,以牙还牙,决不对恐怖政权地头。
所有的一切为了让你可以安心地吃一口饭,不要在每一顿饭都内疚。
我们不需要埋怨别人,更不用去埋怨外国人怎么不帮我们,或者满足于某些人帮我们。
首先从自己做起,首先做一个心理,精神完全解放的维吾尔人,尤其是海外的维吾尔同胞。
一个种群,如果所有的人争相党领导,哪么谁愿意去当兵? 我们有人愿意去当兵吗? 很显然,如果所有的人都当官,这个官本身就是一个废物----
他当谁的官? 这些道理我不用多说。
如果更多的人愿意去当兵,愿意去做实事,那么出色的领导人也会自然而然的地会被这些士兵,小人 物选择出来。
维吾尔人做好准备当兵了吗?

khadir
08-03-10, 15:14
yes,I'm,曾经是
如果我说,《是》你能够怎么样? 如果我说《不是》你又能够怎么样?(请实际一点地回答)
事实,不会因为我说是,或者不是 而会改变。
是维吾尔人对自己的同胞太冷漠,没有爱心,只有贪心,只有天真,不理智,不智慧才使得更多的线人宁愿接受这 种恐惧也不愿意揭露
中国政府在海外的情报机关或者情报网。
不要埋怨别人,是因为我们每次都会把责任推给别人身上,而不是自身上下功夫,只因为恨汉人,所以不去学习汉 人,而少了一个对付对手的方法。
就是这样的天真,无知,贪婪是维吾尔人缺点。
无论是在国内,还是国外的维吾尔人,无论是历史上的,或者是近代的维吾尔人都是被内江玩弄。 说实话,外患的起因是因为内江。
所以,中共当局一直到热比娅女士当选世界维吾尔大会主席为止没有把维吾尔人权活动家列入清除清 单。
而每当内江发生都因为有很多很多内鬼。
内鬼的唯一出路是返回正义的道路上,否则只有死路一条,这谁都知道。
维吾尔人需要智慧,需要去学习。 让那些起关键作用的情报人员感化,使其有安全感,使其能够没有后顾之忧的揭发,维吾尔团体才会 有安全保障。

Unregistered
08-03-10, 21:59
Thanks for your hornesty. 'yes,I'm,曾经是' . Is that mean: You was a spy. Now you are not. Is that right? or you want to say you are still a spy but want to quit and back to a normal bright life?

If you are in the States, and answered yes, if you don't want to go back to china and if you don't have a immigration status, go seeking for help. I believe UAA have lawyer contacts that are able to deal with the case like yours. Uyghur will help you and including many others, then you will find out how warm they are. There are some uyghur are cold and greedy and do harm to other uyghur, e.g. those uyghur officers that working for china for that purpose and some so-scared greedy one like you introduced, that might be right . And many were in an adversed condition so chinese might trap them,or utilized and hire them to do 'fever' for them, etc. like you mentioned. That might be right, but not the majority. I am sorry you have that bad feeling, maybe because you were in that occupation and all your contact is that type of person, however ,after you stay a bit longer in the States you will know and you will find peace in your mind. Uyghur need making progress and develop as you stated.
More or less I felt you might know the '中国政府在海外的情报机关或者情报网' spy network? If that is the case, and you are realy warm in your heart for uyghur, you should, as an individual who want to change uyghurs situation, disclose it. Not at here on line, you will find out how once you decided, based on your inteligence.

很多很多内鬼, is true for many nation including chinese. Uyghur can't prevent it neither chinese can. Those informations that you know, might not only benifit uyghur but many US citizens as well.

Uyghur is learning and studying chinese, but we know what is benifiting and what is harming based on our identity and culture preferance, people has the right to selectively learn and reject some they don't like. We are learning form the world, chinese is just a part of it, and who has been trying to block uyghur from learning freely.You are obsolutely right that we have to learn from Han as well in order to benifit from them.

If you are good at chinese language, I know you are a uyghur from your response. Your past experiences will be valued a lot when you use it to help other uyghur people. For those who are greedy and cool, for sure they will never have a good ending like you said. If you want to change them from their heart, might be realy hard unless they can be identified and that might be a realy big progress and huge accomplishment in your life! You might become a key person I guess.

Since the harm many uyghur have experienced from those 内鬼, like you said, uyghur as a whole do suffered in generations and untill now. That is one reason why some uyghurs abroad are cautious to some of their own 同胞, esp. who came from china. It is understandable and it is natural reaction when you understood this, is that help? I believe this kind of cool will continue for a while. No one tell them that, that is just natural reaction. Don't be sad, uyghur were forced into that situation. You will be a hero for uyghur and Turks and the freeworld that fight against the evil.

If you realy know a lot and willing to help from your heart and trying to manage a life in the States, you will find out a difference and you will be helped for your living and career as well as including the security issue in this country that you are concerning.

If you are/were not a spy, what your said is just guessing. I understand your attitute and thought. That is a good uyghurs thought as well. If uyghur knew this spy who was just sentanced, might have found out a way to 感化 him or used him as well inteligently.

You are special by yourself. Be hornest and tell the truth. However, never try to say something that is not based on the fact or can not be comfirmed. USA is ruled by law not by officers like in China who trust others gut and spy's lies sometime (I guess). lol. I hope you can contact someone, or someone can contact you.

Take care man, Uyghurs need your help!
Wish you the best and a good life.


A Uighur



yes,I'm,曾经是
如果我说,《是》你能够怎么样? 如果我说《不是》你又能够怎么样?(请实际一点地回答)
事实,不会因为我说是,或者不是 而会改变。
是维吾尔人对自己的同胞太冷漠,没有爱心,只有贪心,只有天真,不理智,不智慧才使得更多的线人宁愿接受这 种恐惧也不愿意揭露
中国政府在海外的情报机关或者情报网。
不要埋怨别人,是因为我们每次都会把责任推给别人身上,而不是自身上下功夫,只因为恨汉人,所以不去学习汉 人,而少了一个对付对手的方法。
就是这样的天真,无知,贪婪是维吾尔人缺点。
无论是在国内,还是国外的维吾尔人,无论是历史上的,或者是近代的维吾尔人都是被内江玩弄。 说实话,外患的起因是因为内江。
所以,中共当局一直到热比娅女士当选世界维吾尔大会主席为止没有把维吾尔人权活动家列入清除清 单。
而每当内江发生都因为有很多很多内鬼。
内鬼的唯一出路是返回正义的道路上,否则只有死路一条,这谁都知道。
维吾尔人需要智慧,需要去学习。 让那些起关键作用的情报人员感化,使其有安全感,使其能够没有后顾之忧的揭发,维吾尔团体才会 有安全保障。

khadir
09-03-10, 05:51
依靠我的词典我可以理解你的大概意思。
但是我可以告诉你,我曾经协助中国国家安全机关。
他们2006年的计划失败后(也许他们只计划撞击,而不是杀害),也没有停止针对最高领袖的监控,谍报活动 。
我不会在这里详细的讲很多关于我的故事,这些事实已经在相关的媒体发布。
我的叛逃不是为了别的,只是不想做有愧于良心的事情。毕竟我不是专业间谍,没有接受系统的洗脑,何况我本身 有免疫力。
请不要把我夸大,但是,有一个事实。
我不是大人物,我所了解的情况已经公布在媒体上,而且使用真名,我为此做好了所有的心理准备。
中国政府绝对不会培训一位维吾尔籍专业间谍(类似于军队,武警出身的)来搞破坏。
被迫,为了生存而充当当局线人的那些同胞更需要关注,更多的他们拥有更多的情报。
那些线人也时常被测试,时常被当局测验,所以很多线人只要能够忍,就忍。 到了海外能够安静就安静,不想牵连家人。想过安宁的日子。
或者被威胁,被迫充当线人。
很少有完全被洗过脑的维吾尔线人,情报员。
感谢你关心我的安全问题,我会照顾好自己。我这么站出来只是出于关注那些更需要关注的人,他们在物质上也许 比海外的维吾尔人过的比较舒适,但是心灵上他们是一直被折磨着的。他们也无奈,请多一点智慧,多一点爱心关 注他们。
不知你是否同意我的观点,很多维吾尔人看到,或者听到,或者了解有这样的情报人员的存在(我是指拥有证据的 情况下),但是等这种人出现在你面前的时候,很多人要么选择远离他,要么不愿意进一步沟通,要清楚,这些线 人其实比你我都敏感,容易受刺激。
其实他们一直希望可以回到正轨上。
真的很希望维吾尔人能够多一点智慧。

Unregistered
09-03-10, 21:31
Sorry , but I only write English here. I will keep it short. Seems like you are doing well. I can feel that you feel lonely. Learn English, write, speak it you will find friends if you are in a English speaking country. The current situation of yours will change better. Don't be mad about people that do not understand you, find people who understand you and willing to help you and be friend with you. Keep trying, you will be good. Not every one have the inteligence that you expected, but You have wrote it out, people will understand and support you sooner or later. Regarding to 2006 event, people still don't know the detail about the spys that involved and the process. If you know that, that is very helpful if you share it out. I bet many people want to know as well.
Best Regareds,
A. Uyghur


依靠我的词典我可以理解你的大概意思。
但是我可以告诉你,我曾经协助中国国家安全机关。
他们2006年的计划失败后(也许他们只计划撞击,而不是杀害),也没有停止针对最高领袖的监控,谍报活动 。
我不会在这里详细的讲很多关于我的故事,这些事实已经在相关的媒体发布。
我的叛逃不是为了别的,只是不想做有愧于良心的事情。毕竟我不是专业间谍,没有接受系统的洗脑,何况我本身 有免疫力。
请不要把我夸大,但是,有一个事实。
我不是大人物,我所了解的情况已经公布在媒体上,而且使用真名,我为此做好了所有的心理准备。
中国政府绝对不会培训一位维吾尔籍专业间谍(类似于军队,武警出身的)来搞破坏。
被迫,为了生存而充当当局线人的那些同胞更需要关注,更多的他们拥有更多的情报。
那些线人也时常被测试,时常被当局测验,所以很多线人只要能够忍,就忍。 到了海外能够安静就安静,不想牵连家人。想过安宁的日子。
或者被威胁,被迫充当线人。
很少有完全被洗过脑的维吾尔线人,情报员。
感谢你关心我的安全问题,我会照顾好自己。我这么站出来只是出于关注那些更需要关注的人,他们在物质上也许 比海外的维吾尔人过的比较舒适,但是心灵上他们是一直被折磨着的。他们也无奈,请多一点智慧,多一点爱心关 注他们。
不知你是否同意我的观点,很多维吾尔人看到,或者听到,或者了解有这样的情报人员的存在(我是指拥有证据的 情况下),但是等这种人出现在你面前的时候,很多人要么选择远离他,要么不愿意进一步沟通,要清楚,这些线 人其实比你我都敏感,容易受刺激。
其实他们一直希望可以回到正轨上。
真的很希望维吾尔人能够多一点智慧。

khadir
10-03-10, 11:51
如果你知道mizutani naoko女士的事情,请查阅她的文章。
这里没有关于2006年的细节,我没有说过我了解2006年的细节,但是我可以作证,国家安全机关的相关人 员曾经说过《清除一个人不难,重点是找到有价值的人》。
我们的同胞们自认为并不重要的信息,应付当局而搜集的信息对当局来说是很重要的。 很久以后我们才会发现,原来那些信息是用在什么地方。
这就是无形中变成了我们同胞的精神负担,迟迟无法摆脱阴影。
彻底切断信息来源是需要这些线人们的协助。 这样才能够迫使中共派出更多的维吾尔人到海外搜集情况,这样维吾尔团体的力量才会更快速的增长 。
喊冤60年,依靠愤青,上街搞游行无助于扩大维吾尔团体的势(实)力




Sorry , but I only write English here. I will keep it short. Seems like you are doing well. I can feel that you feel lonely. Learn English, write, speak it you will find friends if you are in a English speaking country. The current situation of yours will change better. Don't be mad about people that do not understand you, find people who understand you and willing to help you and be friend with you. Keep trying, you will be good. Not every one have the inteligence that you expected, but You have wrote it out, people will understand and support you sooner or later. Regarding to 2006 event, people still don't know the detail about the spys that involved and the process. If you know that, that is very helpful if you share it out. I bet many people want to know as well.
Best Regareds,
A. Uyghur

Unregistered
10-03-10, 12:22
Amangul, heliki amangulchu, aniwerning ayali, diese kimkin deptikenmen. Sen yuzi kelin ikensensenghu? Yurttigu hupiyane meynetchlik ichide yurdung, bularni az dep yene satkinligingni bashlidingma?
Urumchide desliwide, erim yenimda yok dep, iching pushup gen tepip uni toshup, bir obdan otiwatkanlarning arsiga zideyet selip we sokushturup ez konglungni hush etip yurdung. Keyinche pesliging kuzgulup, aniwerning dosti keptiken, dep kuyup eringning aginliri bilen izatatmastin ashina aynap yurdung. Shu chaglarda sen kanchukning kiyinishlirchu tehi, azla kalding talaga yalgach chikili. San zang ishik arnomosni biryakka karip koyop kona ashniliring bilden bilde yene shapakchilikingni bashliding. Baladek shehwani nepsingni kandorosh uchun bashka erlegimu esilding…
San paskina anchentingning podakchiliri bilden munaswetni bashligan deslepki chaglarda, ular nimige keleti, yene shu aniwerni dep kelmemdu, yoldishing germaniiyede nime ish kilwatidu…daydu karang. Nimme ish kilati okowatidu, yene pul tepip bizni bekiwatidu didim, dap yurdung. Kiyinche sen munapik ularning birsi bilen bulong pushkaklarda agiz-buruon yalship yurupsen. San jalap u mellunni kongungga ogitiwaldingmu yaki u seni puliga ogitiwaldimu? Hazirmu yutka barginingda san jalap unung bilen yoshorunche izdiship yurdigansen….tigi pesning zidi pes dep, sen pordakyuznung kolidin igwagerchilik, reswachilik, peskeshlik, satkinliktin bashka ishlar kelmemdu?
Jalap kerisa buwi bolor deptiken, ishektek yashigiche buwilik kilip ademdek yashisang bolmamdu?

khadir
10-03-10, 12:44
Essalam eleykum
请求管理员删除不相干的信息。
谢谢