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Unregistered
28-10-09, 20:26
Islam : Aug 5, 2008
Islam is a gift, accept it !

Islam is an opportunity, take it !

Islam is a way of life, try it !

Islam is a promise, fulfill it !

Islam is a duty, perform it !

Islam is a treasure, pray it !

Islam is a journey, complete it !

Islam is a goal, achieve it !

Islam is a struggle, fight for it !

Islam is not for sinners, overcome it !

Islam is not a game, don't play with it !

Islam is not a mystery, behold it !

Islam is not for cowards, face it !

Islam is not for the dead, live it !

Unregistered
28-10-09, 23:51
Islam is not for fanatics, be moderate.
Islam is not for murderers, stop killing in the name of it.
Islam is not Arab cultural colonialism, consume it with your own culture.
Islam does not endorse Bedouin nomad clothes, it is about soul not clothes

Unregistered
29-10-09, 00:34
what a fantastic response ! Long live this idea!!! Long live Uighur & Uighur Nation !!!!


Islam is not for fanatics, be moderate.
Islam is not for murderers, stop killing in the name of it.
Islam is not Arab cultural colonialism, consume it with your own culture.
Islam does not endorse Bedouin nomad clothes, it is about soul not clothes

Unregistered
29-10-09, 12:54
Islam is not for fanatics, be moderate.
Islam is not for murderers, stop killing in the name of it.
Islam is not Arab cultural colonialism, consume it with your own culture.
Islam does not endorse Bedouin nomad clothes, it is about soul not clothes

long live logic and reasoning ...long live my truely free friends

Unregistered
29-10-09, 19:03
This is the most beautiful sentances for islam. Thanks for the post.

Arabs have created so many in the history and brought us the Islam. They are great nation, as uyghur I respect them with my full heart though I don't know any of them in my life.

I believe Arabs don't care what Uyghur or other muslim dress , somebody is over addressing Uyghur's cloth or culture that has nothing to do with Arabs. Please don't put them together. Arabs and islam as a whole don't advocate killing for murder, most of the time the killing is fight for defence. Who is killing the most as murder and massacre? Maybe you know if you are a Uyghur.



Somebody post the belowing:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered
Islam is not for fanatics, be moderate.
Islam is not for murderers, stop killing in the name of it.
Islam is not Arab cultural colonialism, consume it with your own culture.
Islam does not endorse Bedouin nomad clothes, it is about soul not clothes

Are you using your brain for responding that beautiful post? Are you a muslim? If you are not a muslim please don't insult islam !!! Islam is not a culture, if you don't know this then you are not a muslim. Islam do not require moderate or fanatics, it is up to you how to practice it. If you want to serve in the mosqe or if you want to pray in the mosqe that up to you. Islam ask for fight for defence, killing not nessesary to be murder. Islam is about soul, but how you dress reflect how you understand it. If you follow the islam, you have to follow some basic rules, like don't eat the pork. Do you want to say, islam is about the soul not food? So you can eat pork? Cover you skin, don't let you hair fall on the ground, that is about the cloth, that is about prevent disease spread and keep you from the disease. How to cover yourself is your choice, but be clean (to yourself and other) is the basic understanding the meaning of it.

Please don't use your partial understanding to say 'Arab cultural colonialism' , that is something you realy have to learn how to address your point but not via insulting. I believe Arab culture is not Islam, Islam is not someone's culture. If you are a God believer (Jewish, Christan and Muslim) you should able to understand it at the first place!

A. Uighur



Islam : Aug 5, 2008
Islam is a gift, accept it !

Islam is an opportunity, take it !

Islam is a way of life, try it !

Islam is a promise, fulfill it !

Islam is a duty, perform it !

Islam is a treasure, pray it !

Islam is a journey, complete it !

Islam is a goal, achieve it !

Islam is a struggle, fight for it !

Islam is not for sinners, overcome it !

Islam is not a game, don't play with it !

Islam is not a mystery, behold it !

Islam is not for cowards, face it !

Islam is not for the dead, live it !

Unregistered
29-10-09, 19:37
That is false understanding Islam and Arabs, that is not new ideas. That do not relate to Uighur or Uighur nation. Very facial and bad response!


what a fantastic response ! Long live this idea!!! Long live Uighur & Uighur Nation !!!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered
Islam is not for fanatics, be moderate.
Islam is not for murderers, stop killing in the name of it.
Islam is not Arab cultural colonialism, consume it with your own culture.
Islam does not endorse Bedouin nomad clothes, it is about soul not clothes

Unregistered
29-10-09, 19:42
You don't like have any logic and reasoning! Foolish! Free friends have to understand friendship first to became a friend, that is logic and reasoning. Islam advocate freedom, not oppose it. If you want to be logic and reasong, learn what is the logic and reasoning first!


long live logic and reasoning ...long live my truely free friends

Unregistered
30-10-09, 12:20
I have not said Arabs as a people are bad, I have great respect for them as well. I am not accusing them of killing in the name of Islam. I was referring to the few who do. I understand that most of the random and senseless killings in war-torn Afghanistan and Iraq are motivated by politics rather than religion, but some perpetrators drag the religion into it, giving it a bad name. Extremism has origins in culture rather than in religion, but again those engaged in it claim they are doing it for religion, because they could not tell the difference.
They are many Muslim communities in the world. They all share one commonality: they all adhere to the core tenets of Islam. But in other aspects of life, they are quite different, because they have different cultural backgrounds. For example, Muslims in Turkey, Central Asia, Malaysia, Iran or Saudi Arabia all prays the same way, but they have different culture and customs including dress codes. Can you say one is better than the others? Uyghurs are same. We have our own unique culture in addition to the religion. Our struggle is about saving that culture. Islam is not endangered here, there are other 1 billion Muslims even if Uyghurs disappear, but the people, the Uyghurs and their culture is in danger. I have not forgotten that some of that culture is not tolerated by extremists like the ones in Afghanistan and Pakistan. You said how you dress reflects how Muslim you are, according to this logic then Adam and Eve were not Muslims. But, Quran says they were the first Muslims on earth. Who is right then? You or the Quran?

Sizningche oghul-qizlar bir-birige beqiship usul oynisa Talibanlar qandaq qilar? Halbuki ata-bowillirimiz ming yillardin beri ashundaq dawamlashturup kelgen bu en-enimizni ash kormigen qelender qazangha dum chuptu digendek chet’elge yengi kilipla birinchi bolup uchrighan musulmankarning gheyri mediyetlirini “Islam” dep qobul qilip tashliwitish Uyghurgha qilinghan asiliq. Uyghur mediyitimiz hittayning aslimatsiye qilishigha qarshi turidighan eng chong qalqanimiz, u hetta dindinmu chong. Uyghurlarning dingha sel qaraydighan nurghun yashliri bar, meslen bu qetimqi iyol weqeside kochilargha chiqqan yash oqughuchilar 5 wah namaz oteydighan dindarlar emes. Ularni milletke tartip turidighini din emes belki Uyghur mediyiti, ularni janlirini, erkinligini qurban qilishqa undigini din emes Uyghur mediniyiti. Shunga Islamning namida Uyghurlarning en-eniwi mediyitidin chetnesh bizge qilinghan asiliq.

Tuwendiki gepliringizge jawaben, aldi bilen mining nime diginimni yahshi chushining. Men uzemni musulman dep qaraymen, emma sizning qetilishingiz natayin. Siz qandaq yasinish sizning qanchilik musulman ikenligingizning ipadisi depsiz, undaqta Adem eleykesalam bilen Hawa ana musulman emesken-de? Hatalashmisam Islam dinida ularni Tunji Musulmanlar dep qaraydu, hatalashtimmu-ya? Bash-kozini qungkep yurishning pakizlik we kisellikning saqlinish ikenligini bulidikensiz. Bu 6-esirdiki Arap eyrim arilining turmish shara’itigha nispeten nayiti mas kilidighan dana tedbir. Qum uchup turidighan issiq janggalda qara kiyim bilen bedenni oriwalsa tupa-tuzangdinla emes belki issiqtinmu saqlinish mumkin. Likin buning mahitini, sewebini chushenmey Urumchining hetta Washingtonning kochillirida qarisigha dorash birsining dingha sadaqetmenligidin kore nadan, bulumsiz ikenligini ispatlaydu. Urumchide bugunki kunde pakizlik uchun munchigha chushimiz, hawasi Erbistandek issiq emes. Mushini chushinelmigen adem Qurandek murekkep bir kitapni qandaq chushiner? Burunqi waqitlarda Quranni hemme ademlerge emes peqet dinda terbiylengen heqiqi mollamlarghila tutush hoquqi berishning uzimu del mushuningdek nadan ademlerning Quranni hata chushiniwelip qalaymiqan chiqirishidin ensirigenliktin bolghan bolishi mumkin. Nadan ademler hemme dewirde, hemme yerde bar. Mektepte 10-20 yil oqup qoyghangha nadanliq tugep ketmeydu, chunki u kishilerning qanchilik uzun oqughanliqi emes belki teppekkurige baghliq nerse




Somebody post the belowing:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered
Islam is not for fanatics, be moderate.
Islam is not for murderers, stop killing in the name of it.
Islam is not Arab cultural colonialism, consume it with your own culture.
Islam does not endorse Bedouin nomad clothes, it is about soul not clothes

Are you using your brain for responding that beautiful post? Are you a muslim? If you are not a muslim please don't insult islam !!! Islam is not a culture, if you don't know this then you are not a muslim. Islam do not require moderate or fanatics, it is up to you how to practice it. If you want to serve in the mosqe or if you want to pray in the mosqe that up to you. Islam ask for fight for defence, killing not nessesary to be murder. Islam is about soul, but how you dress reflect how you understand it. If you follow the islam, you have to follow some basic rules, like don't eat the pork. Do you want to say, islam is about the soul not food? So you can eat pork? Cover you skin, don't let you hair fall on the ground, that is about the cloth, that is about prevent disease spread and keep you from the disease. How to cover yourself is your choice, but be clean (to yourself and other) is the basic understanding the meaning of it.

Please don't use your partial understanding to say 'Arab cultural colonialism' , that is something you realy have to learn how to address your point but not via insulting. I believe Arab culture is not Islam, Islam is not someone's culture. If you are a God believer (Jewish, Christan and Muslim) you should able to understand it at the first place!

A. Uighur

Unregistered
30-10-09, 15:40
'I have not said Arabs as a people are bad, I have great respect for them as well. I am not accusing them of killing in the name of Islam.'
re:Good that you clarified this.

'I was referring to the few who do. I understand that most of the random and senseless killings in war-torn Afghanistan and Iraq are motivated by politics rather than religion, but some perpetrators drag the religion into it, giving it a bad name.'
re:Please give example about this: 'but some perpetrators drag the religion into it, giving it a bad name', so we could avoid those perpetrators.

'Extremism has origins in culture rather than in religion, but again those engaged in it claim they are doing it for religion, because they could not tell the difference.'
re:Please give an exaple of this 'Extremism has origins in culture rather than in religion' to support your statement.

I believe the defence of the religious freedom is not religious extrimism. Uighur do have the right to pratice Islam, and fight to defence that right. I hope you agree with this, this has nothing to do with the extrimism rather a simple religious right.

'They are many Muslim communities in the world. They all share one commonality: they all adhere to the core tenets of Islam. But in other aspects of life, they are quite different, because they have different cultural backgrounds. For example, Muslims in Turkey, Central Asia, Malaysia, Iran or Saudi Arabia all prays the same way, but they have different culture and customs including dress codes. Can you say one is better than the others?'
re: Does anyone or any Arab tell you their cloth is better than yours? You are trying to address something actualy do not exist.
How you dress is up to you, but you have to cover your skin and prevent your hair from fall on the ground. With our developed modern disease prevention methods, this does not mean you have to cover you whole body, however, howmany you want to cover that up to you. No muslim will come to you and accusing you did not cover your whole body. However if you want to, you have the right to choose your dressing.

'Uyghurs are same. We have our own unique culture in addition to the religion. Our struggle is about saving that culture. Islam is not endangered here, there are other 1 billion Muslims even if Uyghurs disappear, but the people, the Uyghurs and their culture is in danger.'

Maybe your struggle is about just saving the unique uyghur culture, however, your mother and father and many other Uyghurs may want to keep and save their religious believe more important than the unique culture. If you can't represent all the uyghur's will, please don't make a fuss and trying to lead Uyghur into a wrong way. Modern uyghur's culture and Islam have been knitted together, I AM AFRAID, if you take out one, they other one will gone as well. I believe the soul of the Uighur culture is cemeric rather than pure, the islam is keeping Uighur be a part of Turk family and a greater Islamic world. Even if all uighur vanished, there still remain billion muslim and other Turks. If you think Uighur is not that important as part of islamic world, that is just your view. We have been follow islam 1000 years, islam have been rooted in Uyghur cultural life. How imporant uyghur is in the islamc world is not the problem here. However, keep your religious believe is more important and maybe essential to keep your unique culture alive. Actualy the fact is both Uighur's unique culture and religious believe are fading under communism chinese rule because of their on purposely erosin and political restriction and persecusion.

'I have not forgotten that some of that culture is not tolerated by extremists like the ones in Afghanistan and Pakistan. You said how you dress reflects how Muslim you are, according to this logic then Adam and Eve were not Muslims. But, Quran says they were the first Muslims on earth. Who is right then? You or the Quran?'

Re: it is normal that one culture and the other culture have differences and people do need to respect and understand each other even under the same religious beliefe. Please give examle of this : 'I have not forgotten that some of that culture is not tolerated by extremists like the ones in Afghanistan and Pakistan.'.. It might take some time let people understand Uyghur, It is not nessesary let all people tolerate you culture esp. 'extremist', however, that do not represent all of them.
Some Uyghur people dress less some dress more, some cover their face some don't, that is based on how they understand the clothing issue as a muslim affacted by current Uyghur culture and political environment. 'according to this logic then Adam and Eve were not Muslims.But, Quran says they were the first Muslims on earth. Who is right then? You or the Quran?', this sentance has nothing to do with clothing and understanding of Quran. I felt you are misundestanding the concept. If you are confusing, please go and get answere from an islamic scholar in the nearby mosque if you want to.

A. Uighur


I have not said Arabs as a people are bad, I have great respect for them as well. I am not accusing them of killing in the name of Islam. I was referring to the few who do. I understand that most of the random and senseless killings in war-torn Afghanistan and Iraq are motivated by politics rather than religion, but some perpetrators drag the religion into it, giving it a bad name. Extremism has origins in culture rather than in religion, but again those engaged in it claim they are doing it for religion, because they could not tell the difference.
They are many Muslim communities in the world. They all share one commonality: they all adhere to the core tenets of Islam. But in other aspects of life, they are quite different, because they have different cultural backgrounds. For example, Muslims in Turkey, Central Asia, Malaysia, Iran or Saudi Arabia all prays the same way, but they have different culture and customs including dress codes. Can you say one is better than the others? Uyghurs are same. We have our own unique culture in addition to the religion. Our struggle is about saving that culture. Islam is not endangered here, there are other 1 billion Muslims even if Uyghurs disappear, but the people, the Uyghurs and their culture is in danger. I have not forgotten that some of that culture is not tolerated by extremists like the ones in Afghanistan and Pakistan. You said how you dress reflects how Muslim you are, according to this logic then Adam and Eve were not Muslims. But, Quran says they were the first Muslims on earth. Who is right then? You or the Quran?

Sizningche oghul-qizlar bir-birige beqiship usul oynisa Talibanlar qandaq qilar? Halbuki ata-bowillirimiz ming yillardin beri ashundaq dawamlashturup kelgen bu en-enimizni ash kormigen qelender qazangha dum chuptu digendek chet’elge yengi kilipla birinchi bolup uchrighan musulmankarning gheyri mediyetlirini “Islam” dep qobul qilip tashliwitish Uyghurgha qilinghan asiliq. Uyghur mediyitimiz hittayning aslimatsiye qilishigha qarshi turidighan eng chong qalqanimiz, u hetta dindinmu chong. Uyghurlarning dingha sel qaraydighan nurghun yashliri bar, meslen bu qetimqi iyol weqeside kochilargha chiqqan yash oqughuchilar 5 wah namaz oteydighan dindarlar emes. Ularni milletke tartip turidighini din emes belki Uyghur mediyiti, ularni janlirini, erkinligini qurban qilishqa undigini din emes Uyghur mediniyiti. Shunga Islamning namida Uyghurlarning en-eniwi mediyitidin chetnesh bizge qilinghan asiliq.

Tuwendiki gepliringizge jawaben, aldi bilen mining nime diginimni yahshi chushining. Men uzemni musulman dep qaraymen, emma sizning qetilishingiz natayin. Siz qandaq yasinish sizning qanchilik musulman ikenligingizning ipadisi depsiz, undaqta Adem eleykesalam bilen Hawa ana musulman emesken-de? Hatalashmisam Islam dinida ularni Tunji Musulmanlar dep qaraydu, hatalashtimmu-ya? Bash-kozini qungkep yurishning pakizlik we kisellikning saqlinish ikenligini bulidikensiz. Bu 6-esirdiki Arap eyrim arilining turmish shara’itigha nispeten nayiti mas kilidighan dana tedbir. Qum uchup turidighan issiq janggalda qara kiyim bilen bedenni oriwalsa tupa-tuzangdinla emes belki issiqtinmu saqlinish mumkin. Likin buning mahitini, sewebini chushenmey Urumchining hetta Washingtonning kochillirida qarisigha dorash birsining dingha sadaqetmenligidin kore nadan, bulumsiz ikenligini ispatlaydu. Urumchide bugunki kunde pakizlik uchun munchigha chushimiz, hawasi Erbistandek issiq emes. Mushini chushinelmigen adem Qurandek murekkep bir kitapni qandaq chushiner? Burunqi waqitlarda Quranni hemme ademlerge emes peqet dinda terbiylengen heqiqi mollamlarghila tutush hoquqi berishning uzimu del mushuningdek nadan ademlerning Quranni hata chushiniwelip qalaymiqan chiqirishidin ensirigenliktin bolghan bolishi mumkin. Nadan ademler hemme dewirde, hemme yerde bar. Mektepte 10-20 yil oqup qoyghangha nadanliq tugep ketmeydu, chunki u kishilerning qanchilik uzun oqughanliqi emes belki teppekkurige baghliq nerse

Unregistered
30-10-09, 18:40
I do not have more to say except that if you are interested to save Islam more than Uyghur culture, then you would not have any problem with the Chinese. All you need to do is accept their language and culture and live like the Hui Muslims do. Huis (Tunggans) have no problem with the Chinese government. If that is what you want, you do not need to share our pain, go ahead join the Tunggans and leave Uyghurs alone. I am done talking here.


'I have not said Arabs as a people are bad, I have great respect for them as well. I am not accusing them of killing in the name of Islam.'
re:Good that you clarified this.

'I was referring to the few who do. I understand that most of the random and senseless killings in war-torn Afghanistan and Iraq are motivated by politics rather than religion, but some perpetrators drag the religion into it, giving it a bad name.'
re:Please give example about this: 'but some perpetrators drag the religion into it, giving it a bad name', so we could avoid those perpetrators.

'Extremism has origins in culture rather than in religion, but again those engaged in it claim they are doing it for religion, because they could not tell the difference.'
re:Please give an exaple of this 'Extremism has origins in culture rather than in religion' to support your statement.

I believe the defence of the religious freedom is not religious extrimism. Uighur do have the right to pratice Islam, and fight to defence that right. I hope you agree with this, this has nothing to do with the extrimism rather a simple religious right.

'They are many Muslim communities in the world. They all share one commonality: they all adhere to the core tenets of Islam. But in other aspects of life, they are quite different, because they have different cultural backgrounds. For example, Muslims in Turkey, Central Asia, Malaysia, Iran or Saudi Arabia all prays the same way, but they have different culture and customs including dress codes. Can you say one is better than the others?'
re: Does anyone or any Arab tell you their cloth is better than yours? You are trying to address something actualy do not exist.
How you dress is up to you, but you have to cover your skin and prevent your hair from fall on the ground. With our developed modern disease prevention methods, this does not mean you have to cover you whole body, however, howmany you want to cover that up to you. No muslim will come to you and accusing you did not cover your whole body. However if you want to, you have the right to choose your dressing.

'Uyghurs are same. We have our own unique culture in addition to the religion. Our struggle is about saving that culture. Islam is not endangered here, there are other 1 billion Muslims even if Uyghurs disappear, but the people, the Uyghurs and their culture is in danger.'

Maybe your struggle is about just saving the unique uyghur culture, however, your mother and father and many other Uyghurs may want to keep and save their religious believe more important than the unique culture. If you can't represent all the uyghur's will, please don't make a fuss and trying to lead Uyghur into a wrong way. Modern uyghur's culture and Islam have been knitted together, I AM AFRAID, if you take out one, they other one will gone as well. I believe the soul of the Uighur culture is cemeric rather than pure, the islam is keeping Uighur be a part of Turk family and a greater Islamic world. Even if all uighur vanished, there still remain billion muslim and other Turks. If you think Uighur is not that important as part of islamic world, that is just your view. We have been follow islam 1000 years, islam have been rooted in Uyghur cultural life. How imporant uyghur is in the islamc world is not the problem here. However, keep your religious believe is more important and maybe essential to keep your unique culture alive. Actualy the fact is both Uighur's unique culture and religious believe are fading under communism chinese rule because of their on purposely erosin and political restriction and persecusion.

'I have not forgotten that some of that culture is not tolerated by extremists like the ones in Afghanistan and Pakistan. You said how you dress reflects how Muslim you are, according to this logic then Adam and Eve were not Muslims. But, Quran says they were the first Muslims on earth. Who is right then? You or the Quran?'

Re: it is normal that one culture and the other culture have differences and people do need to respect and understand each other even under the same religious beliefe. Please give examle of this : 'I have not forgotten that some of that culture is not tolerated by extremists like the ones in Afghanistan and Pakistan.'.. It might take some time let people understand Uyghur, It is not nessesary let all people tolerate you culture esp. 'extremist', however, that do not represent all of them.
Some Uyghur people dress less some dress more, some cover their face some don't, that is based on how they understand the clothing issue as a muslim affacted by current Uyghur culture and political environment. 'according to this logic then Adam and Eve were not Muslims.But, Quran says they were the first Muslims on earth. Who is right then? You or the Quran?', this sentance has nothing to do with clothing and understanding of Quran. I felt you are misundestanding the concept. If you are confusing, please go and get answere from an islamic scholar in the nearby mosque if you want to.

A. Uighur

Unregistered
30-10-09, 19:16
You are wrong again. What I want is to save Uyghur's language, culture and Islamic faith all together. And those are equal important to Uyghur!
If you loss your Islamic faith, you might like Zhuang or Miao or some local Han, If that is what you want, then I don't think you have any pain to share with!
By the way, Huihui maybe was the old Uighur that lost their language and mixed with other people, they can't hold on their language that made them different now. Saman or some other people in Gansu speak Uighur but did not convert to Islam, which made them different too.
If you want to save Uyghur, you have to save all Language, culture, religious. Lost any of them, you will change to someting else. Lossing any of them is causing pain not only the unique culture. China may leave you with your unique culture but peal the language and religion out. Do you feel that somebody is pealing your skin, sucking your blood and leaving your bone? If you compromise on one, more pain will follow! Remember this!


I do not have more to say except that if you are interested to save Islam more than Uyghur culture, then you would not have any problem with the Chinese. All you need to do is accept their language and culture and live like the Hui Muslims do. Huis (Tunggans) have no problem with the Chinese government. If that is what you want, you do not need to share our pain, go ahead join the Tunggans and leave Uyghurs alone. I am done talking here.

Unregistered
30-10-09, 20:48
Why you always jump from one topic to another and always say something with your assumption? Your asumptions is through out in all your post.
Here is your assumptions in this post:
''I do not have more to say except that if you are interested to save Islam more than Uyghur culture''
''Huis (Tunggans) have no problem with the Chinese government.''
''If that is what you want,''...

What your wrote did not support your own point. More like you want to give up Islamic faith. And you wrote 'you do not need to share our pain', I don't believe many Uighur will share your view, you are using 'our' without any clue who the 'our' is. At least I believe your 'our' do not represent the majority of the 10 million Uyghurs. Uyghur will not feel shame on their faith because of some extrimists in other islamic country. That is what chinese govenment want Uyghur to feel. Your view is more or lass coordinating with them, esp. like Wang bekri. Is that your 'our' including him?

Hui people speak Chinese but many of them speak Uyghurqi too. Some of the Hui (Tungan) people have started support Uyghur's rights, that is a good sign. After 6.24, there are Hui demonstrated for human rights, and there is Hui writter critiziing Chinese govenment. I welcome more and more Hui support Uyghur or learn Uyghur languages, which maybe once had belong to them in the history.

Uyghur's culture, language and religious faith is equal important. You can emphasis one or another, but lose any of them is terrible for majority Uyghur. Uyghur do practice a moderate form of Islam, but we don't oppose other muslim to practice different form and we are not trying to force other to change to ours, vice versa.

A. Uighur


I do not have more to say except that if you are interested to save Islam more than Uyghur culture, then you would not have any problem with the Chinese. All you need to do is accept their language and culture and live like the Hui Muslims do. Huis (Tunggans) have no problem with the Chinese government. If that is what you want, you do not need to share our pain, go ahead join the Tunggans and leave Uyghurs alone. I am done talking here.

Unregistered
31-10-09, 01:01
dude, tunggans are chinese who converted to Islam. they have nothing to do with uyghur. you have no clue who uyghurs are and who the tunggans are. i am not ashamed of being muslim, but i do not like clueless uyghurs who blindly mimic others. thank god they are in a very very small minority.


Why you always jump from one topic to another and always say something with your assumption? Your asumptions is through out in all your post.
Here is your assumptions in this post:
''I do not have more to say except that if you are interested to save Islam more than Uyghur culture''
''Huis (Tunggans) have no problem with the Chinese government.''
''If that is what you want,''...

What your wrote did not support your own point. More like you want to give up Islamic faith. And you wrote 'you do not need to share our pain', I don't believe many Uighur will share your view, you are using 'our' without any clue who the 'our' is. At least I believe your 'our' do not represent the majority of the 10 million Uyghurs. Uyghur will not feel shame on their faith because of some extrimists in other islamic country. That is what chinese govenment want Uyghur to feel. Your view is more or lass coordinating with them, esp. like Wang bekri. Is that your 'our' including him?

Hui people speak Chinese but many of them speak Uyghurqi too. Some of the Hui (Tungan) people have started support Uyghur's rights, that is a good sign. After 6.24, there are Hui demonstrated for human rights, and there is Hui writter critiziing Chinese govenment. I welcome more and more Hui support Uyghur or learn Uyghur languages, which maybe once had belong to them in the history.

Uyghur's culture, language and religious faith is equal important. You can emphasis one or another, but lose any of them is terrible for majority Uyghur. Uyghur do practice a moderate form of Islam, but we don't oppose other muslim to practice different form and we are not trying to force other to change to ours, vice versa.

A. Uighur

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31-10-09, 01:29
Dude, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hui_people
Hui are not chinese who convert to Islam. Huihui is pronunciation of uighur in chinese. Uighir is one of their ancester.What I said is always have clues, no assumption!

A. Uighur


dude, tunggans are chinese who converted to Islam. they have nothing to do with uyghur. you have no clue who uyghurs are and who the tunggans are. i am not ashamed of being muslim, but i do not like clueless uyghurs who blindly mimic others. thank god they are in a very very small minority.

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31-10-09, 10:07
Dude, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hui_people
Hui are not chinese who convert to Islam. Huihui is pronunciation of uighur in chinese. Uighir is one of their ancester.What I said is always have clues, no assumption!

A. Uighur

Strongly disagrees with the poster and asks him to read more materials.

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31-10-09, 10:26
You are not Uyghur, so stop pretending to be. Even a 7 year old Uyghur kid knows Huis and Uyghurs are not related whatsoever. In fact, they are ethnic Chinese and always been firmly standby with the Chinese. that is why the chinese state treat them differently, so, stop bull-shitting about things you know shit.



Dude, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hui_people
Hui are not chinese who convert to Islam. Huihui is pronunciation of uighur in chinese. Uighir is one of their ancester.What I said is always have clues, no assumption!

A. Uighur

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31-10-09, 14:30
7 year old Uyghur kid may not know what is history. I am a Uyghur from Gholji who respect the fact. Huihui is not Han, not Uyghur too. They are mixed, one of their ancestor is old Uyghur. I read a lot, not only Uighur's histroy but also nearby others. If one chinese convert to Islam will not call himself Hui, they call themself chinese muslim, like those in the Malyasia. Chinese muslim is a term used to fool Hui and trying to vague their nationality.

If you ask a Hui if they are Han muslim, you will hear 'no'. If you ask a Han, if they convert to muslim will they become Hui, the answere is 'no' too, Of cause the fact is no Han chinese realy like to become muslims in China, and they wish Hui to give up their religion. Current Hui consist of different groups. I believe the one in the Gansu and Ningxia do have related to Uyghur, Mongle and other central asians and middle-east people in the History.

In the history there had been numerous bloody foughts between Huihui and Han. After conqured by Han, Huihui had invade and fought with Uyghur along with Han in the recent history, that is the most emotional unacceptable fact after a long history of peace. However, that will not deny the fact that one of their ancester is old Uyghur. Some of the Hui fought aginst Han at the same time.

There is a Huihui writter who is always critisizing chinese govenment policy on Uyghur, called An ran, when he visited Urumqi he wrote as if he came to meet his ansesters people, and can't hold on his exciting. However, there are many Huihui work for chinese govenment to deal with Uyghur (not only Hui many other minorities do it too), that is how chinese political power worked.

Hui standby Han is their political choice under chinese control, that do not mean all Huihui standby Han. Like 'Wang' bekeri don't represent to majority Uyghur. Han call Hui 'zei huihui', which means they are not stable on their political standing and always betry Han when Han aginst Uyghur, and betry Uyghur when Uyghur fight aginst Han. I think that is because their root is mixed and they are not Han. They don't want any one win and trying to benifit from both sides. And always standby stronger one. That is their nature, you have to accept these facts, so you can handle relation with them. If Uyghur is strong, I bet they will standby Uyghur.

Chinese treat Hui differently than Uyghur. That is chinese political stratergy. When Chinese treating Mongol bad, they treat others well. When they treat Uyghur bad they treat Other well, when they treat Tibet bad, they treat other well. In china, no one minority will escape the chinese persecution in a long run, no exception for Hui too. I believe, there are many Huihui who is not relying on Han to survive, may support Uyghur.

A. uighur


You are not Uyghur, so stop pretending to be. Even a 7 year old Uyghur kid knows Huis and Uyghurs are not related whatsoever. In fact, they are ethnic Chinese and always been firmly standby with the Chinese. that is why the chinese state treat them differently, so, stop bull-shitting about things you know shit.

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31-10-09, 18:03
Look the string tuuuuuuufy , you will find out toooooo moderate is what!


Islam is not for fanatics, be moderate.
Islam is not for murderers, stop killing in the name of it.
Islam is not Arab cultural colonialism, consume it with your own culture.
Islam does not endorse Bedouin nomad clothes, it is about soul not clothes