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Unregistered
21-09-09, 19:53
Uighurs want dignity, not ‘normalcy’
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=9&section=0&article=126624&d=22&m=9&y=2009

Unregistered
21-09-09, 23:02
Uighur population needs to take a deep look at their racial motive within their discontent.

Racism, no mater from which racial or ethnic group, is a common enemy of humankind

Unregistered
22-09-09, 12:38
Uighur population needs to take a deep look at their racial motive within their discontent.

Racism, no mater from which racial or ethnic group, is a common enemy of humankind

You should go to teach chinks first, then come to here to tech us. Many thanks.

Unregistered
22-09-09, 20:34
You are right. Racism of Han chinese killed millions of minorities in China. Atom bomb test in minority region without compansation to the affected populaion, millitary massacre of non-armed population in the excuse of 'seperatism', culturally discrimination, economicaly deprivation of resources and opportunities, disadvantaged politics for minorities' socity development, politically deprivation of basic human rights, faked autonomous law,continiously political murder......, a racism supported by the national power and army, that is called fascism!

You are right, racism from this group and its power, is a common enemy of humankind.

QUOTE=Unregistered;68249]Uighur population needs to take a deep look at their racial motive within their discontent.

Racism, no mater from which racial or ethnic group, is a common enemy of humankind[/QUOTE]

Unregistered
22-09-09, 20:59
China blames Xinjiang violence for slowed development

"The 'East Turkistan' forces have seriously interrupted the economic development of Xinjiang," the government said in a white paper. "They have seriously undermined the environment for investment, as evidenced by the drastic reduction in investment from other parts of the country."

"The region's ethnic groups were also becoming better integrated, it said, and pointed out that far from being recent immigrants, Han Chinese had been coming to what is today's Xinjiang since the days of the Han Dynasty around 200 BC.

"The diverse peoples of Xinjiang have formed deep friendships while living together for generations," it added"

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSPEK176968

Unregistered
23-09-09, 10:52
Han Dynasty was using great wall for protection. A small group Han milltery was sent to say hello and invaded Uighur ancestor, but was quickly smashed back by Uighur's ansester. That is a piece of history that chinese was using to support the presence of chinese in Uighur's land and claiming that a nonrelavent place belong to China. How stupid it is! Why you don't claim everywhere on the earth belong to chine. You can make or use any piece of history to make up story and invade.

The Han start occupying Uighur's land is just this 60 years. Before that,in 1887, the manchu's invasion was not Han chinese power. Han overturn the Manchu in 1911 and almost massacred most of the Manchu people. And forced rest of them change to Han. The left descendent of Manchuria in Easten China, though speaking chinese now, would not forget this piece of history. They have the right to get their homeland Manchuria (north-east china) back and indepent from China!

The best solusion is every nations that is not Han or not a real Han ( real Han is just limitted in the center of China), should claim independent. And then reunion as their will, that would be fair if they realy want to be part of China.

The quote of few chinese officals talk in an English article will never show the truth but always lie and insisting lie.


China blames Xinjiang violence for slowed development

"The 'East Turkistan' forces have seriously interrupted the economic development of Xinjiang," the government said in a white paper. "They have seriously undermined the environment for investment, as evidenced by the drastic reduction in investment from other parts of the country."

"The region's ethnic groups were also becoming better integrated, it said, and pointed out that far from being recent immigrants, Han Chinese had been coming to what is today's Xinjiang since the days of the Han Dynasty around 200 BC.

"The diverse peoples of Xinjiang have formed deep friendships while living together for generations," it added"

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSPEK176968

Unregistered
23-09-09, 11:45
韶关市检察机关对“6•26”事件两起 件提起公诉

http://news.xinhuanet.com/politics/2009-09/23/content_12102683.htm

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-09/23/content_12102677.htm

" GUANGZHOU, Sept. 23 (Xinhua) -- Eleven people involved in a toy factory brawl on June 26 that left two employees dead in south China's Guangdong Province have been indicted for intentional injury and group affray, procurators said Wednesday.

Xiao Jianhua and four other suspects were indicted for intentionally assaulting people during the Xuri Toy Factory brawl, the Shaoguan Municipal People's Procuratorate said.

Lu Xiaoqiang and another five allegedly participated in group affray, said the Wujiang District People's Procuratorate of Shaoguan.

The 11 suspects ignored the law and caused heavy casualties and property losses, the procurators said.

Other suspects in the brawl, which left two Uygur employees dead and many injured, are also facing imminent indictment."

Unregistered
23-09-09, 11:49
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang

"Traversed by the Northern Silk Road,[13] Western Regions or Xinjiang is the Chinese name for the Tarim and Dzungaria regions of what is now northwest China. At the beginning of the Han Dynasty (206 BC – AD 220), the region was subservient to the Xiongnu, a powerful nomadic people based in modern Mongolia. In the 2nd century BC, Han China sent Zhang Qian as an envoy to the states in the region, beginning several decades of struggle between the Xiongnu and Han China over dominance of the region, eventually ending in Chinese success. In 60 BC Han China established the Protectorate of the Western Regions (西域都*府) at Wulei (烏壘; near modern Luntai) to oversee the entire region as far west as the Pamir.

During the usurpation of Wang Mang in China, the dependent states of the protectorate rebelled and returned to domination in AD 13. Over the next century, Han China conducted several expeditions into the region, re-establishing the protectorate from 74 to 76, 91 to 107, and from 123 onward. After the fall of the Han Dynasty, the protectorate continued to be maintained by Cao Wei (until 265) and the Western Jin Dynasty (from 265 onwards)."

Unregistered
23-09-09, 13:25
That exactly demonstrated, Xiongnu once invaded Uighur anscesters land and Han was trying to invade Uighurs land many times in the history, sucessed once but was smashed back and failed again and again afterwards. Because Uighur anscesters continously fight back the invader. Besides, this pieces of history have been from the source of Chinese version without evidences support. The old Chinese history is full of war, one after the other. Every old chinese king occupied a new country will re-edit the history, burning the nonuseful books, edit the useful information and make a new book. That is their history recording--- a totally trash in current view.

The evidences indicated mordern Uighur's anscestors had been living in this land for more than 3000 years or even longer, Like mordern Chinese anscestors living in their Huang he region inside the great wall for that long.

If old Han truely occupied the Uighurs land for a while, they will make a great wall on the border but not inside the China. Like the border between Manchu and china ( shanhai guan, Mongol and China, and the truth- ancient Uighur between china which the greatwall ended in current Gansu province ( Jia yu guan), which not even reach the Uighurs land yet.

Chiese version of history was re-edited in every dynasty to fit the kings need but not based on the fact. Filled with lies. The near lie on history is Nanjing massacre ( that is Janpaniess buried died chinese from the war), If they realy massacred in Nanjin, that would happened in other occupied asian contries and chinese cities as well. No evidence, I never believe it. That is a war, many people died. They buired them, that might be the fact. Like Japanies rebuited the Manchu, I believe they builted and developed chinese cities too. Until recently, they still offering techniques to help chinese, why chinese hate Japaniess so much and editing the history? Japaniess is a honest nation, they don't lie on history, they don't admit what not happened, that is not their tradition but Chinese is.

The fact actualy is Japaniess invaded Manchu made it as a colony country and maintained the Manchu country. Unfortunately, Manchu did not regained their independacne as many other Japaniess occupied country did. Because, Chinese invaded the homeland of Manchu and renamed it. Chinese reoccupied the Manchu-occupied countries like Tibet, Inner Mongolia and East Turkestan etc.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang

"Traversed by the Northern Silk Road,[13] Western Regions or Xinjiang is the Chinese name for the Tarim and Dzungaria regions of what is now northwest China. At the beginning of the Han Dynasty (206 BC – AD 220), the region was subservient to the Xiongnu, a powerful nomadic people based in modern Mongolia. In the 2nd century BC, Han China sent Zhang Qian as an envoy to the states in the region, beginning several decades of struggle between the Xiongnu and Han China over dominance of the region, eventually ending in Chinese success. In 60 BC Han China established the Protectorate of the Western Regions (西域都*府) at Wulei (烏壘; near modern Luntai) to oversee the entire region as far west as the Pamir.

During the usurpation of Wang Mang in China, the dependent states of the protectorate rebelled and returned to domination in AD 13. Over the next century, Han China conducted several expeditions into the region, re-establishing the protectorate from 74 to 76, 91 to 107, and from 123 onward. After the fall of the Han Dynasty, the protectorate continued to be maintained by Cao Wei (until 265) and the Western Jin Dynasty (from 265 onwards)."

Unregistered
23-09-09, 14:10
OK, history "propharter". Here is a name of a historical figure you need to study to know who quelled unrest in xinjiang in 1887: ZUO ZONGTANG!!!! Another term you need to learn is "Xiang Jun" which refers to the warriers Zuo brought with. Thanks for worrying about Manchuria but manchus are living happily within China now. Now go wipe your nose clean! Bring your terror over! That's the least thing we are afraid of. Come to the battle fields, ET warriers! We will love it!


Han Dynasty was using great wall for protection. A small group Han milltery was sent to say hello and invaded Uighur ancestor, but was quickly smashed back by Uighur's ansester. That is a piece of history that chinese was using to support the presence of chinese in Uighur's land and claiming that a nonrelavent place belong to China. How stupid it is! Why you don't claim everywhere on the earth belong to chine. You can make or use any piece of history to make up story and invade.

The Han start occupying Uighur's land is just this 60 years. Before that,in 1887, the manchu's invasion was not Han chinese power. Han overturn the Manchu in 1911 and almost massacred most of the Manchu people. And forced rest of them change to Han. The left descendent of Manchuria in Easten China, though speaking chinese now, would not forget this piece of history. They have the right to get their homeland Manchuria (north-east china) back and indepent from China!

The best solusion is every nations that is not Han or not a real Han ( real Han is just limitted in the center of China), should claim independent. And then reunion as their will, that would be fair if they realy want to be part of China.

The quote of few chinese officals talk in an English article will never show the truth but always lie and insisting lie.

Unregistered
23-09-09, 14:28
LoL. Uighur population settled in Western Regions (Xinjiang) from the Steppes way later after Han Dynasty.

A NYT piece is ready available on the internet.

"Archaeological finds, especially recent excavations of amazingly well-preserved mummies, show that the first people to live in the region were likely West Eurasians, some of whom seem to have worshipped cows. The oldest of those mummies date back 3,800 years.

“I say the Tarim Basin was one of the last parts of the earth to be occupied,” said Victor H. Mair, a professor of Chinese language and literature at the University of Pennsylvania who has been a leading scholar on the mummies. “It was bound by mountains. They couldn’t live there until they had certain irrigation technologies.”

The race of first settlers, the Tocharians, herders who spoke an Indo-European language, died out long ago, Mr. Mair said, and there are no descendants to make historical claims on the land."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/weekinreview/12wong.html

Unregistered
23-09-09, 14:34
Zu zongtang is a General in the Manchu empire, who served Manchu invaded ET but not quelled unrest. Lier, if you don't know the history don't lie like your ancestor did!
The terror is the Communist army utilized to murder millions civillion in the China, who told the truth. Wipe you ugly nose clean! bring your evidencies when claim something!

The last thing you are afraid of is, your chinese people's rebell, that happened again and again in the history, that is coming! You are afriad of millitery terror from the Han chinese in Beijing but not Uighur farmers I guess.

The battle field has been spread out in the whole china between chinese people and chinese terrorist army. Can you feel it? a numbness blood drinker.

OK, history "propharter". Here is a name of a historical figure you need to study to know who quelled unrest in xinjiang in 1887: ZUO ZONGTANG!!!! Another term you need to learn is "Xiang Jun" which refers to the warriers Zuo brought with. Thanks for worrying about Manchuria but manchus are living happily within China now. Now go wipe your nose clean! Bring your terror over! That's the least thing we are afraid of. Come to the battle fields, ET warriers! We will love it!

Unregistered
23-09-09, 14:53
DNA testing on these mummies compare with Uighur and Han will tell us the truth. The truth coulde be,the earliest inhabitant of Tarim basin was one of the anscestors of current Uighur, who is able to invent certain irrigation technologies.Tocharians, is just one of the 2 major anscestors of Uighur but not anscestor for Chinese at all.


LoL. Uighur population settled in Western Regions (Xinjiang) from the Steppes way later after Han Dynasty.

A NYT piece is ready available on the internet.

"Archaeological finds, especially recent excavations of amazingly well-preserved mummies, show that the first people to live in the region were likely West Eurasians, some of whom seem to have worshipped cows. The oldest of those mummies date back 3,800 years.

“I say the Tarim Basin was one of the last parts of the earth to be occupied,” said Victor H. Mair, a professor of Chinese language and literature at the University of Pennsylvania who has been a leading scholar on the mummies. “It was bound by mountains. They couldn’t live there until they had certain irrigation technologies.”

The race of first settlers, the Tocharians, herders who spoke an Indo-European language, died out long ago, Mr. Mair said, and there are no descendants to make historical claims on the land."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/weekinreview/12wong.html

Unregistered
23-09-09, 15:06
Wonder why some Uyhur want to fool themselves again and again in front of DNA facts. LoL.


"DNA sequence data[6] shows that the mummies had a haplotype characteristic of western Eurasia in the area of Ukraine."


"Mair states that "the earliest mummies in the Tarim Basin were exclusively Caucausoid, or Europoid" with east Asian migrants arriving in the eastern portions of the Tarim Basin around 1000 BCE[citation needed] while the Uyghur peoples arrived around the year 842.[5] In trying to trace the origins of these populations, Victor Mair's team suggested that they may have arrived in the region by way of the forbidding Pamir Mountains about 5000 years ago.

This evidence remains controversial. It refutes the contemporary nationalist claims of the present-day Uyghur peoples who claim that they are the indigenous people of Xinjiang, rather than the Han Chinese. In comparing the DNA of the mummies to that of modern day Uyghur peoples, Mair's team found some genetic similarities with the mummies, but "no direct links"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarim_mummies

Unregistered
23-09-09, 17:19
What is the type of a study has a great impact on a different explaination of data and conclusion. Uighur is a multi mixture in the genetic. It is obvious that compare one of the caucasian ancester to a current caucasian population would generate more link then the mixed old Uighur offspring. The conclusion include the similarity of mummies genetic to Uighur, eventhough lesser level than the current europian population. The lesser association of current Uighur compare to current europian genetic is because current Uighur was descendent of the mixed genetic distict anscestors from europian and East, but not purely europians like Ukrains.

Those mummies might came from europe or middle east or actualy spread from tarim to middle east to europe. The conclusion can be made that they are not Han chinese. One but not full anscestor of Uighur is from those mummies, that is the reason for the genetic similarity.


Many new genetic studies conducted by genetic scientist showed something difference. They do confirmed that Uighur have 60% genetic linkage with Europian. What is the differences between Ukrain and Europian? What is the differences between Mummies and europian genetics? If they link to Ukran in some way that they have to link with Europian in another way too, then have to link with Uighur and central asians. That is just a level of linkage. Not supprise mummies have more stonger linkage to current Europian (100% genetic) then Uighur (60% genetic). When reduced genetic similarity from 100% to 60%, I believe the linkage loci and similarity would change too. Only if another caucasian people do come to Tarim 2500 years ago and admixed with old Uighur, the linkage will be different between different stage of mummies and Uighur. But that don't fit into the fact yet. Whatever is the case, both support the conclusion that 1. no ancient mummies was from Han chinese 2. Mummies are caucasian origion not east asia origion 3. Uighur have 60% Europian genes, is admixed population that happened at least 2500 years ago. 4. That strongly concluded that current Uighur have been discendant to caucasian origen, and mixed with east Asians, at least 2500 years ago. 5. Tarim inhabitant is the descendent of caucasian, have genetic similarity with current Uighur.

There are many larticles recently, I select one from Chinese published on AJHG.
Volume 82, Issue 4, 11 April 2008, Pages 883-894

Analysis of Genomic Admixture in Uyghur and Its Implication in Mapping Strategy
Shuhua Xu1, 2, Wei Huang3, Ji Qian2 and Li Jin1, 2, ,

1Chinese Academy of Sciences and Max Planck Society (CAS-MPG) Partner Institute for Computational Biology, Shanghai Institutes for Biological Sciences, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Shanghai 200031, China

2Ministry of Education (MOE) Key Laboratory of Contemporary Anthropology and Center for Evolutionary Biology, School of Life Sciences and Institutes of Biomedical Sciences, Fudan University, Shanghai 200433, China

3Chinese National Human Genome Center at Shanghai, Shanghai 201203, China


Received 7 December 2007; revised 21 January 2008; accepted 28 January 2008. Published online: March 20, 2008. Available online 20 March 2008.

The Uyghur (UIG) population, settled in Xinjiang, China, is a population presenting a typical admixture of Eastern and Western anthropometric traits. We dissected its genomic structure at population level, individual level, and chromosome level by using 20,177 SNPs spanning nearly the entire chromosome 21. Our results showed that UIG was formed by two-way admixture, with 60% European ancestry and 40% East Asian ancestry. Overall linkage disequilibrium (LD) in UIG was similar to that in its parental populations represented in East Asia and Europe with regard to common alleles, and UIG manifested elevation of LD only within 500 kb and at a level of 0.1 < r2 < 0.8 when ancestry-informative markers (AIMs) were used. The size of chromosomal segments that were derived from East Asian and European ancestries averaged 2.4 cM and 4.1 cM, respectively. Both the magnitude of LD and fragmentary ancestral chromosome segments indicated a long history of Uyghur. Under the assumption of a hybrid isolation (HI) model, we estimated that the admixture event of UIG occurred about 126 [107146] generations ago, or 2520 [21402920] years ago assuming 20 years per generation. In spite of the long history and short LD of Uyghur compared with recent admixture populations such as the African-American population, we suggest that mapping by admixture LD (MALD) is still applicable in the Uyghur population but 10-fold AIMs are necessary for a whole-genome scan.



[QUOTE=Unregistered;68380]Wonder why some Uyhur want to fool themselves again and again in front of DNA facts. LoL.


"DNA sequence data[6] shows that the mummies had a haplotype characteristic of western Eurasia in the area of Ukraine."

Re: Dr. Mair's Take on Tarim Mummies

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Over the past couple of years, I ready several articles that mentioned professor Victor Mair's comment on Taklamakan Mummies. Most recent one is posted on this phorum last week under the title "Genetic analysisi of Uyghurs." In responce to his views expressed in these articles, I wrote the following commentary which I intend to share with him and other scholars who are interested in Taklamkan Mummies and East Turkistan, because I feel it is our responsibility to point out misconceptions about us. Since this goes out to scholars on the subject, I could not afford to have any information inconsistant with the facts or miss out any important information. So, I would appreciate if any one, expecially people who have experties in this area, provide imput. One question I am particularly interested is were there any weapons buried with the mummies?
Thanks,

Turdi
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In an article about the Taklamakan Mummies, Dr. Mair said he was disappointed at the mummies being dragged into a political dispute between the Chinese and Uyghurs. After reading his comments in several articles in the past couple of years, I begin to feel the same way about his pull on the racial aspect of it. Yes, the unique ethnicity of the mummies is the subject of his research, but one get the impression that his scientific judgment is compromised by his zeal about race. He is so eager to draw a connection between the mummies and Western Europeans, particularly Germans, that he has become blind to many facts on the ground. Some people may interpret some of his comments as being racist. One get the impression that he is more interested in proving that major accomplishments claimed by the Asians were in fact brought to them by whites, not just any whites, but whites of Northern or Western European stocks, perhaps the Germans, than finding the truth about those mummies. As a witness to the “scene”, I want to point out a few flaws in his theories and hypothesis.

First of all, much of the fuss about “Caucasian mummies in China” would not be necessary without the assumption that Tarim Basin has been part of China since the ancient times just as the Chinese claims. If one drops this assumption, much of the excitement will be gone, but finding out the truth should be more important than generating popular interest. The fact is Tarim Basin was not in China until 19th Century, certainly not during lifetime of those mummies. But, it has always been a part of the Central Asia geographically, culturally, and at times politically. While exchange of ideas and people between Middle East and Central Asia has a long proven history, perhaps goes as far back as the mummy people's times, contact between Central Asia and China did not happen until Zhang Qian's trip to the "Western Regions", a name used by the Chinese in the ancient times to refer to Central Asia including the Tarim Basin and beyond around 138 AD. There is a very simple explanation to that: There is no impassable geographical barrier between the former two, but there is a big stretch of desert and mountain between the Tarim Basin and China. The two civilizations, Tarim and Chinese, were separated by more than 500 miles of inhospitable desert, one of nature's biggest barriers in ancient times and today. That is why the people around the Tarim Basin today have so much in common with the people to the west in Central Asia and Middle East but almost nothing with the people to the East, the Chinese. We have different household tools, different farming tools, different food, different clothes, different music and dancing, different language and folklore, and different customs than the Chinese. But we have quite a few overlaps with our neighbors to the west. I am not a historian, but I am a scientist who can read the facts quite well. I know that any scientific theory and assumption has to be consistent with existing facts to be valid. And physical evidence does not support the assumption that Tarim Basin or East Turkistan was a part of China in ancient times. Since Central Asia including Tarim Basin was and is connected to Middle East, Caucasians in Tarim Basin should not be such a big surprise. After all, Caucasians were no strangers in the Middle East. In fact the word “Caucasian,” as I understand, was derived from the name of an area right outside the north gate of the Middle East. Even today many people in Middle East and Central Asia including Afghanistan still have blue eyes, light brown hairs and fair skins even after thousands of years' of mixing of different peoples in these regions.

Second, today’s Uyghurs are not the same as the ancient Uyghurs from Mongolia. Most ethnic groups today are the products of dynamic human history. They are formed by the interaction and mixing of several ancient ethnic groups. In other words, no major ethnic group today shares a "pure blood" with any one group lived in the past. The English has a well known mixed ancestry, so does the French, the German, the Spanish, the Chinese, the Arab and any one you name it. The Uyghurs are not exception. Our mixed heritage is clearer than any one else. If one travels from Qumul in the eastern part of East Turkistan along the Tarim Basin to Korla, Kucha, Aksu, Kashgar, Yarkent and Hotan, he can witness the mosaic of peoples, dialects and customs that form the fabrics of the Uyghur nation today. The ancient Uyghurs who lived in Orhon Valley in today’s Mongolia may passed down the name to us, but they were only one of our ancestors. By the time the ancient Uyghurs were defeated by the Kyrgiz tribes in 840 AD and moved to the Northern and Eastern East Turkistan, Kashgar was a long established city inhabited by other peoples. When Mahmut Kashgari wrote his famous encyclopedia—“Turk Language Dictionary” two hundred years later, he wrote that his ancestors lived in Kashgar many centuries before his time. Even though the event of 840 AD was within the living memory of his time, he did not mention it. If his people moved from Mongolia to Kashgar roughly 150 years before he was born, he would known about such a dramatic historical event, because people in the area were writing, even if the oral story telling deemed unreliable, long before he was born. That means the people who lived in the 11th century Kashgar did not come from the ancient Uyghur Kingdom in Mongolia as the Chinese wants the world to believe. The fact that Mahmut Kashgari named his book “Turk Language Dictionary” not “Uyghur Language Dictionary” also proves the point. The next question is “did the people of the 11th century Kashgar have moved away to somewhere else since then?” There is no historical evidence to that. Therefore, most Uyghurs live in Kashgar region today are not likely to be the descendents of the ancient Uyghurs from Mongolia. Based on geographical facts, the same can be assumed for people who live further south, such as Yarkend and Hotan, because if some one wants to get there from Mongolia, he must first pass Kashgar. Roughly half of the Uyghur population today lives in these southern areas.

Historical evidence do support that ancient Uyghurs from Mongolia settled in Eastern part of East Turkistan and played important role in the Qoju Uyghur Kindom centered in Turpan.

Third, evidences do not support Dr. Mair’s theory that those mummy peoples were either slaughtered or driven out. There are many Uyghurs around Tarim Basin today who have blue eyes and light brown hairs not much different from those mummies. But, Dr. Mair chose to focus on the dead ones, may be because they could not speak for themselves so that Dr. Mair could leave out inconvenient facts about them. For example, those mummies look as diverse as today's living population of Tarim Basin, and many Caucasian mummies were buried alongside with mixed race mummies in the same graves. It is quite possible that Tarim Basin was one of the most peaceful places in the ancient world, because its unique geography kept it safe from the power struggles of big powers. Uyghurs have one of the richest oral story traditions, but very few of them related to wars. In fact all the wars in our known history were either between the local peoples and outsiders or caused by outsiders. Dr.Mair perhaps knows that sword or other ancient weapons are not among the essential items buried with those mummies. Perhaps it was the peaceful good life supported by the fertile oasis around the Tarim Basin what kept the mummy people there for thousands of years. A dry desert may look harsh, but if you have water, it is the best place to farm. That is why many ancient civilizations thrived around deserts. Tarim basin had plenty of water in ancient times. Some tools, clothes and techniques (bread making, for example) used by mummies are still being used by local Uyghurs today. And slaughtered people are not likely to pass down their tools and techniques. Another fact is many place names big and small around Tarim Basin do not have any meaning in Uyghur language. One can only assume that they must have a meaning in the languages of the people who first introduced these names. Those languages are gone, but their legacy survived as these names. If the people who gave these names were slaughtered or driven out, these place names would’ve gone with them. These facts suggest those mummy peoples melt into the current population of Tarim Basin.

Dr. Mair said he felt sad because he felt as if he left his kin—the Cherchen Man, who he claims looks like his sleeping brother Dave, behind among strangers. He shouldn’t have felt that way because the Cherchen Man remains where he belongs-his homeland. Yes, the mummy peoples lived in the Tarim Basin for thousands of years as their immortalized bodies bear witness, therefore it is their homeland as much as ours. The only strangers around them are the Chinese. Let’s imagine Dr.Mair’s brother David had children from a non-white woman. Who would be more stranger to him? His brother who looks like him with his blue eyes and blond hair or his children who have black eyes and black hairs?

As to Dr. Mair’s theory about the Chinese characters, I believe, as much as I hate to, that the Chinese are completely capable of coming up with a writing system without the help of Westerners. I would have to lose my dignity if I try to take that away from the Chinese even though they stole my homeland and oppress my people. If I could not afford to acknowledge certain facts I would have to feel sorry for myself. If the ancient Chinese writing system shared anything with others, the ancient Egyptian writing could be the closest candidate, because both systems relied on pictures. But, using pictures to depict words is an obvious thing to try. Most likely, both peoples came up with the idea independently. Besides, if the Chinese got the idea from the Caucasians lived in Tarim Basin, first there had to be meaningful contact between China and Tarim Basin, which did not occur until Zhang Qian’s trip to Tarim Basin in 138 AD. The Chinese learned to write long before that. Besides, we do not know if the Tarim Basin mummies knew how to write during the time the Chinese invented their writing system.

Unregistered
24-09-09, 15:28
thanks to the uyghur terrorists' butchering of women and children on the streets of urumqi, Chinese people are united more than ever!


Zu zongtang is a General in the Manchu empire, who served Manchu invaded ET but not quelled unrest. Lier, if you don't know the history don't lie like your ancestor did!
The terror is the Communist army utilized to murder millions civillion in the China, who told the truth. Wipe you ugly nose clean! bring your evidencies when claim something!

The last thing you are afraid of is, your chinese people's rebell, that happened again and again in the history, that is coming! You are afriad of millitery terror from the Han chinese in Beijing but not Uighur farmers I guess.

The battle field has been spread out in the whole china between chinese people and chinese terrorist army. Can you feel it? a numbness blood drinker.

Unregistered
24-09-09, 17:07
Thanks for Han ccp nazi showed their real face. Keep murdering Uyghur for more than 60 years, Uighur realized to defend themselves eventualy and fighting to kick out all the invader! All Han invader who keep insulting, rubering and killing of Uighur made Uighur and all the world realized the fake face of the Han chinese cpp their nazi innitiative and their lie!

Han terrorist army and the Han terrorists who attaking and killed thousands of Uighur men, women and children on Urumqi street will definitly result in a more stronger rebell one day. people don't forget the blood shed on the street and the bodies throwed in the dirt.

Han terrorist booster like you deserve to be butchered by your own Han ccp one day! Chinese people have united more than forever to fight against terrorsit ccp, just opposit than what you wished!

It is the time to list the ccp as the biggist terrorist organization in the world!


thanks to the uyghur terrorists' butchering of women and children on the streets of urumqi, Chinese people are united more than ever!

Unregistered
25-09-09, 10:10
so if the world doesn't list CCP as a terrorist organization, are you going to turn yourself into a suicide bomber?


Thanks for Han ccp nazi showed their real face. Keep murdering Uyghur for more than 60 years, Uighur realized to defend themselves eventualy and fighting to kick out all the invader! All Han invader who keep insulting, rubering and killing of Uighur made Uighur and all the world realized the fake face of the Han chinese cpp their nazi innitiative and their lie!

Han terrorist army and the Han terrorists who attaking and killed thousands of Uighur men, women and children on Urumqi street will definitly result in a more stronger rebell one day. people don't forget the blood shed on the street and the bodies throwed in the dirt.

Han terrorist booster like you deserve to be butchered by your own Han ccp one day! Chinese people have united more than forever to fight against terrorsit ccp, just opposit than what you wished!

It is the time to list the ccp as the biggist terrorist organization in the world!

Unregistered
25-09-09, 11:00
so if the world doesn't list CCP as a terrorist organization, are you going to turn yourself into a suicide bomber?

I doodn't want to suicide, I love my life. I love human's life. I love Uighur and all oppressed peoples, esp. under malicious power. I love to let the whole world know better the biggist hidden terrorist that menace every country nearby, menace human value, menace honesty of human merit, menace normal growth of youth and a peaceful globe. ccp occupied other's land, killing, murdering, lying to support themself, insurge nationaism and globle ambition like nazi to gaining support from the bloody chinese ccp member, like you maybe one of them.
I love Uighur and love their movies. CCP Killed millions of civillion who aginst them or even just innocent peoples. CCP has been a Terrorist organization that holding the power of china in many Chinese people mind. They were all trained how to be a bloody lier and murderer. Once all the suffered chinese people stand up, you might find out people don't need to suicide to deal with terrorst, rather to confront them. Though many exelent chinese had suicide/murdered because of the terrorist torture, and because misled Chinese youth, like you maybe. People do understand he real face of this terrorist organization. Like ccp did on other opponents, ccp itself will be listed as a banned terrorsit organization and be banned in the chinese country!
The whole euorope suffered from the communist terror. The whole globle suffered for security and atom manace. The whole globle has been dealing and dismissing this terrorist parties. The chinese one is lucky until now, could hold the power and slave the people by all means utilize the capitalism market system to creat some economic power.

A pity one like you, maybe a ccp member, or just a Han nationalist 'slave' ruled by ccp, is dreaming the ccp's nonsense claim to come true. A pity lost dog, I wish you could find the human home one day and get rid of your stupid 'terro-stratergy' to survive.

I am happy could write so many words, bye, have to study and enjoy the life!