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Anger and hatred on the streets of Urumqi Posted: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:25 AM
Filed Under: Beijing, China
By NBC News' Bo Gu
URUMQI, Xinjiang – As we drove through the empty streets of Urumqi, I was immediately reminded of the unrest in the Tibetan capital Lhasa last year – but with one key difference.

Here, in the remote capital of China’s northwestern Xinjiang province, there were few pedestrians, truckloads of armed police, smashed windows, and lots of scared people – just like in Lhasa in March 2008 when 22 people were killed, according to official numbers.

In Urumqi, officials have said that 156 people were killed and more than 1,100 injured as a result of the violent ethnic riots between the Uighurs and Han Chinese on Sunday.


VIDEO: Tensions high in Western China

But what separates Urumqi from Lhasa is the deep sense of hate between this region’s two majority ethnic groups: the Turkic-speaking Muslim Uighurs and the Han Chinese, the dominant ethnic group in China as a whole.

"I’d like to kill some Uighurs too! They’ve killed so many innocent Hans!" said one Han passerby when were filming in a downtown street.

In response to Sunday’s riots, hundreds of Han Chinese took up their own weapons on Tuesday and marched through the streets seeking revenge, chanting slogans like "Defend our country!"

Han Chinese have also been expressing their anger at the Western media that they perceive as overly sympathetic toward the Uighurs in their reporting.

While we were wandering down Urumqi’s main road filming closed shops and armed police, a young Han Chinese man followed us and continuously cursed for about five minutes.

"I hate these f*&%&*% Western reporters," he said with his fists clenched. "They only support the killers, they support separatism and lie all the time."


SLIDESHOW: Clashes erupt in China's far west

Another Han Chinese man stepped in while we were trying to interview a young Uighur man. "Why are you interviewing him? He doesn’t represent us!" the Han Chinese man shouted.

When I told him we would interview him after, he refused and told me that Americans, journalists and politicians should not interfere in China’s business.

As we walked down the street trying to resume our previous conversation with the Uighur man, the Han Chinese man became more agitated and started to make phone calls. I was not sure if he was calling his friends to join him, so I abandoned the interview out of safety concerns. I could still feel his furious stares even as we walked further down the road.

The exact number of Han Chinese and Uighurs killed in the violence remains a mystery; officials have not released an ethnic breakdown of those killed.

Han Chinese people and their properties were the main targets when the Uighurs rioted on Sunday, angered over the alleged murder of two Uighur workers at a toy factory in southern China last month.

"You know why there’re so many armed police in the streets now? They want to prevent us from taking revenge!" said another angry Han Chinese man as he shook his head. "I just can’t believe how those Uighurs just murder so many innocent Hans. Are they animals? If they are animals, they ought to be wiped out."

Is Xinjiang – a sprawling, oil rich territory that borders several strategic Central Asian countries and makes up a sixth of China’s land – becoming divided along ethnic lines? Whether its communism, Islam, capitalism, independence or ethnic unity that people believe in, all they can express right now is anger.

And nobody knows how much time Urumqi, an ethnically mixed city just four hours by flight from Beijing, will need to heal from all the violence.

Related links: How China is spinning the Uighur riots
World Blog: Chinese open up - slightly - over Uighur riots
CFR: Why China's Xinjian spiraled out of control




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The greater tragedy of these riots has yet to occur: the systematic, yet arbitrary retribution that the PRC is going to mete out over the next few weeks and months. This will take the form of mass detention of young Uighurs and their subsequent torture and or disappearance off the face of this earth. The PRC did this in 1997 (after the Yining riots and other attacks). If you can fly that far and have the guts to spend some time talking to braver Huis and Uighurs in Xinjiang, you will find hundreds if not thousands of older Uighurs who will swear that in 1997 their teenage sons were arrested and vanished. When these parents queried or confronted the PSB about it, the PSB claimed to have no knowledge of such arrests.
The PRC, has already started detaining young Uighur males across other Xinjiang cities like Yining. It has de facto imposed martial law and is filling up prisons as we speak. Folks that have visited, lived or spent extensive time in the Chinese Eastern seaboard or provinces other than Xinjiang will have a hard time understanding what a different world Xinjiang is.
I am an American born citizen and have visited Xinjiang 5 times, spending over 8 months there talking to Uighurs, Hui and Hans about life in Xinjiang. The economic advances that have resulted in a higher standard of living for all ethnicities under PRC rule is undeniable; however, the tension and anger of the native Uighurs for what they rightly perceive as blatant discrimination and suppression of their culture and people under the guise of fighting terrorism and separatism is equally real.
Examples of gratuitous acts of discrimination and suppression by the PRC against Uighurs: prohibition of expressing religion in all public venues, severe restrictions on travel, discriminatory enforcement of laws and regulations.
Jet, Los Angeles, California (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 12:17 PM)

It doesn't matter which country you're in or what the issue is, the convenient answer is always to "Blame the Media". This plays into the politics of victimization, and is a complete cop-out. It's the easy way to avoid responsibility and not talk about the actual issues that create a conflict. It seems the Chinese are taking a lesson from the U.S. in that respect!
Mark, Chicago (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:01 PM)

It is such a shame that the main Problem here is that the Government simply is NOT addressing the issue at hand. The issue is that the Uighur's have been repressed for 60 years by the Chinese government's one sided policy. The relocation of millions of Han Chinese into Uighurs region and not giving equal opportunity to the Uighurs in their own homeland is the the ultimate cause. EXACTLY similar to the Situation in Tibet, China's main goal has been to completely assimilate/eliminate the native population into their Han culture. This is done by mass population transfer of Han Chinese into non Chinese region to make those cities Chinese cities. In this day and age, Such purposely led policies will not be successful because people have access to information and they see the result of such harsh one sided policies of Chinese Government.

Tibetans, Uighurs, Mongolians etc are said to be part of "56 Chinese minority", when the reality is that we "minorities" are not treated like part of Chinese society, instead we are faced with discrimination that only has gotten worst and worst each year. The Chinese media only shows killed/injured Chinese, a very cruel & calculated move. With thousands of Chinese mob hunting down Uighurs & aound 20,000 heavily armed Chinese police deployed, don't tell me only few Uighurs were killed or injured.


In conclusion, the issue here is not the Uighur people or the Tibetan people (last year), it is the one sided Policies carried out by the Chinese Government for 60 years ever since its invasion of these non Chinese regions/countries.
a Tibetan man (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:04 PM)

I am a chinese in the US. What shocked me is the high casulty during the riot. But I found all the medica care about is the riot, protect and confrontation . It's like those who died are just numbers. No one care to interview families of the dead. More than 150 people died! That's more important than politics or how chinese government control the cell phones. Can any reporters write something about people? The truth about the people there?


Chinese in the US (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:15 PM)

The main problem here is lack of quality education and jobs for the Uighurs. The PRC started economic development in Xinjiang years ago however only the Han Chinese received the job opportunities. Several hiring managers working in Xinjiang complained that Uighurs are low skilled workers and unfit to work for them. If the PRC invested more development in adult education and work study program geared towards the Uighurs years ago then none of this would be happening.
Saul Martinez Austin TX (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:51 PM)

As an American who thought himself lucky to be in 'The Square' 20 years ago and who has had a fascination with China and its people for some 60 years, my reaction now is the same as it was when I heard of and then read the thoughts of Chinese regarding Tibet. It is a sense of disappointment more than anything. The blind nationalism and near anti-Americanism of the new generation makes little sense to me. At the height of the crisis 20 years back it was still possible to be an American, walk down the street saying in broken Putonghua, "Ni hao. Wo shi nide pongyou." and get a smile and sometimes engage in a friendly conversation. People seemed to appreciate that freedom and democracy were not foreign to them. Now it seems the nation has reverted to the idea that all from outside, however objectively good, is foreign and suspect. It hurts to know that even those of us who wish China well are unwelcome simply because we are American.
Gunny (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:58 PM)

Hi,

It is sad to see people being killed and hurts during these roits in the streets of URUMQI, Xinjiang, in China. Ethnic monorities live all over the world. Nearly in every country of the world there is some kind of ethnic minority group. It is almost impossible to make these people to re settle in to differnt areas so they can be happier and have a better way of life. What matters most, is how you can make them happy at their own homeland. There is only a one way solution that can fits to every ethnic person in the world and that is "DEMOCRACY" and Human Rights and Justice. In democracy there is no differences between people, the more you know and the more you work the more you get and the more to be happy. The governments of the world must understand that people need to be secure and live a prosperous life. Leaders of the world have a big responsibiltiy toward their people. Problems can only be solved by peace not by violence. They must understand that with out the people of the land they them selves would not be in power.....
ZFR, Atlanta, Georgia (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 3:03 PM)

Look around how America is viewed in other parts of the world (Russia, the middle east, Saudis? Pakistan?), you may have more chances to understand this "blind nationalism and near anti-Americanis of the new generation" of Chinese people. All of those nations must have been brainwashed by the Chinese governemnt propaganda.
by the way, the New York times website has a good report with an interview of the parents of one of the dead on Sunday.

Chen, Washington DC (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 3:19 PM)

"Democracy" is the solution to ethnic violence? Really? Forgot the ethnic violences in the "largest democracy of the world" -- India? Or the fire in Paris? Where did Lynches, Chicago and LA riots happen?
Chen, Washington DC (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 3:31 PM)

There is not easy solution to these ethnic problems.

I can understand why the Tibetan and Uighurs feel marginalized and frustrated. It is also a fact the companies there just couldn't find enough qualified Tibetan and Uighurs to fill positions despite the equivalent of "affirmative action" policies.

Tibetan boys used to get their "education" in Monasteries and Uighurs in Mosque. The Chinese government requires them instead to go to normal primary and middle schools. Do you know what the exiles and their western friends call it? "Cultural Genocide!"

It is easy sit comfortably here and blame the Chinese. How about the Chinese carves out a few pieces of barren lands to let the Tibetan and Uighurs have their own "nations", throwing in casino right to boot? What's so wrong that the Chinese trying to integrate their minorities into their mainstream?
Michael (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 3:47 PM)

The US criticizes at it's own risk. All the PRC has to say is "What about your Native American genocide and repression of blacks?"

The times may have changed (but try telling that to the G&L community), but let's face it...America is more Hypocrisy than Democracy...
Cluemaster (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 3:55 PM)

what,the peaceful religion of islam commiting violence,no way.....ha,ha,ha, what do expect from the most violent religion in the world.screw muslims,islam,"allah" and the worthless prophet muhammed.death dealers is all they are,in the name of allah,the most trivial of all the "gods".
dan mcgee (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:09 PM)

For what it is worth, I spent a couple of weeks in Beijing and environs in spring of 2008, shortly after the unrest in Tibet. I had a great many contacts with people in the parks and on the street. I was clearly an American, yet I never--not once--detected any hostility. Curious, isn't it? Perhaps my wife, nephew, his wife, and I were naive, and didn't recognize that the friendliness and warmth we experienced actually signified the hatred for Americans "experts" assert prevails in Chinese society
Andrew Smith, Maryland, USA (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:22 PM)

Here is an direct Western eyewitness's recollection what he saw on Sunday, posted on BBC interntional. Since it is such a rare report by a direct witness, I thought it worth sharing with others. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8138709.stm)
Peter is an English teacher living in Urumqi with his Chinese wife. They were out shopping on Sunday when the violence started.

The protesters' route was blocked by the police, not in a menacing way, just as if to make it clear that they could go no further. The protesters stopped about 30m away for a few minutes, and then without warning some of them came forward and started throwing rocks at the police.

The police tolerated this for maybe a couple of minutes, and when it became clear the throwing of stones wouldn't stop, they charged.

I have to say that the police dealt with the matter the same way our own riot police would. They were not excessively violent, nor did they attack unprovoked.

It was scary to watch all this kick off so close to where we were. Having managed to read your reports via my mobile phone (using services that are not blocked) I am amused that these overseas Chinese are trying to make political capital out of this, when, from what I witnessed, it was the protesters who brought this on themselves by attacking the police. Or maybe this was what they wanted all along?


Chen, Washington DC (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:26 PM)

I am angry about these comments that distort the facts.
I am from China and a Han, and the fact is that China's ethnical policy are highly biased towards minorities. In some sense, the minorities like Urghurs have been spoiled and just want more.

they can have more than one child, their kids can go to college with a lower test score, and they receive government money not available to Han people.

People who claim China had repressed Urghurs for many years are simply lying to their own face, period.
QC, DC (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:28 PM)

Religion is ruining our world! The chinnese Huns should wipe them out! I am sick of hearing about these so called peace loving muslims of the world that cause so much of the world unrest. It is time for crusades again....not for Christians against the muslims but the world against all muslims! Do what they did in India centurys ago and force them to convert or die!....It sounds harsh but I feel like the world will be lost if we all stay so PC because we don't want to hurt anyones "feelings".... For the most part, most of the worlds religions coexist just fine. It seems to me the followers of Islam have a problem with everyone else in the world. I feel like they want us all to go away(die). I don't think they will rest until every non muslim is gone. This problem that China is going through is not going away anytime soon. It will happen again and again ,there and abroad. China was China before muslims and will be after. China should take advantage of being a comunist country and do what only a comunist country can do while it is still comunist state. So that it can remain a chinnese China.

"In the begining God gave us the truth. Then the Devil came along and gave us religion!"
BC Canada (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:30 PM)

John Quincy Adams on U.S. Foreign Policy (1821)
October 2001


And now, friends and countrymen, if the wise and learned philosophers of the elder world, the first observers of nutation and aberration, the discoverers of maddening ether and invisible planets, the inventors of Congreve rockets and Shrapnel shells, should find their hearts disposed to enquire what has America done for the benefit of mankind?

Let our answer be this: America, with the same voice which spoke herself into existence as a nation, proclaimed to mankind the inextinguishable rights of human nature, and the only lawful foundations of government. America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity.

She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights.

She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own.

She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart.

She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right.

Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be.

But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.

She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all.

She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.

She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example.

She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom.

The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force....

She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit....

[America's] glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of the mind. She has a spear and a shield: but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice.

When John Quincy Adams served as U. S. Secretary of State, he delivered this speech to the U.S. House of Representatives on July 4, 1821, in celebration of American Independence Day.


Billo Palmer, Grass Lake, Michigan (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:06 PM)

This does not relate specifically to Urumqi, but does relate to China. I returned from China less than a week ago, where I visited to see the many historic and cultural wonders the country has to offer. I wanted to love China. However, although I saw many such wonderful sights, the interaction with people was sad indeed. The nationalism and Anti-Westernism(particularly Anti-Americanism) is obvious, vocal, and occasionally physical through "accidental" (not) pushing and shoving in many areas. Tibet was the saddest of all, and most of what I have read about Urumqi's situation is so similar to Tibetans plight. I agree with Gunny, above - the entire situation is sad, the Chinese people are their own worst enemy, and I fear the situation will only become worse. Their minds are hardened with opinions they feel they absolutely must hold toward Westerners, as MSNBC's reported noted when even talking to Uighurs. The reporter was smart to exit the situation - I believe it would have become violent based on the description. Just walking down the street in many cities draws hostility; a Westerner perceived to have done something "wrong" is in true danger.
M. Gardner, Tulsa, Ok (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:16 PM)

There's no shortage of information aviliable on who's the killers and why they are killing, you just need to look beyond mass media to find out, and yes, there are no shortage of videos and photos on Chinese internet, its a shame people here are self censoring themselves from it.

The US released the gitmo Uighurs on grounds they are not "enemy combatants", now we know that's because they are not considered "friendly forces". Nations that sponsor terrorism will never call it terrorism themselves, but the world knows perfectly who's who here.

Just an advice, be careful when you play the ethnic card with China because that ethnicity make up 20% of humanity, and they are all going to take this national level hate crime personally.
iewgnem (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:17 PM)

The Chinese have been invading not only the Xinjiang region, land of the Uighurs, and Tibet, but every corner of the world in various ways. Graduate engineering programs in the US have been inundated by Chinese graduate students who snatch teaching and research assistantships from others. As they rake in engineering MS's and PhD's, these Chinese are snatching high tech jobs at American companies. Some of them get the expertise, and then return to China to start or join Chinese companies that are pushing American companies into ravines. Chinese companies have inundated every African country, snatching big projects and jobs from local people. Recently, the Chinese government invited the presidents of all African countries to a general conference in Beijin. Etc, Etc.

I've known Uighur people, they're peaceful, proud and committed citizens. Yet, they've been mis-treated and abused by the PRC. The massive migration of non-Uighurs to the land of the Uighurs, compounded with discrimination and hate from these migrants against the Uighurs, has lead to this explosion. Of course, the Uighurs being peaceful Muslims, are easy preys of the Chinese vultures under the guise of "terrorism". Who is terrorizing who? The Chinese Han have been terrorizing the peaceful Uighurs and aiming at their extermination.
Proud American (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:49 PM)

Gunny,

If you like China, wish it well, you are always welcome in China even you have a different opinion from us. My husband is Indian from Bombay, he keeps explaining to me about the history of Tibet, Xinjiang or even Taiwan. Forget about history, in history California belonged to Mexico, Hawai was not part of US until 1950th. Tibet, Xinjiang and Taiwan are part of China now and in the near future no matter what anybody else says.

Chinese peopel understand that China has its own issues, if anytime one of the minorities does not like the current situation, US congress will provide them with money to voice their concern, should it be considered by Chinese a foreign intervention? Should a Chinese citizen has the right to ask you to ask US government to stop meddling in their countries' business. After all, US is a democratic country, you can seperate Chinese people from Chinese government, yet you can not seperate US people from US government, our government is elected by us and it represent our will.

I can not comprehend the fact when Muslim does this kind of terrorist attack in the west or Isral or even in India, it is a terrorist attack. When it happens in China or Russia, it is a minority group against majority rule. Talking about double standard.

Leave China or any other country alone, as a US taxpayer, I would like to see my government balance our budget, increase education spending, provide healthcare for every each one of us, and build our infrastructure so our children can be benefited from. Rather than letting our Children pay for the debt we created by electing GWB, we are collectively responsible for the mess we have on hand.
Wen Jie, Irvine, CA (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:51 PM)

All have have fine points in what is transpiring in Northern china with the Uighers having been mistreated and being singled out as a second class citizens in their own region. More importantly is the type of culture that they have which is in fact deep and religious which can be potentially bad for the chinese government if they do not respect them as a people. One can already sense the foreign influence being brought to them in order to survive and counter the chinese oppression. At this point, the violence will get worse and more blood will run in the streets as history is always proven.
glenn, Los angeles, CA (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 6:38 PM)

The Chinese government aims to silence all opposition. That is why they are a totalitarian regime. Of course there is AntiAmericanism. Our brand of government, however flawed, is the antithesis of a dictatorship. The people are afraid. This is what any repressive government wants. As long as they can foster unrest among ethnic groups, they can fracture the social fabric even further. The tools of force and intimidation and are used with no mercy and with impunity on anyone who speaks or acts counter to the regime.
Margaret Heekin Parlin NJ (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 6:39 PM)

No, they are not addressing the issue at hand. This will continue to be a problem for years to come. There are over 50 minority groups in China, and there is a lot of bigotry among them. I quickly found this out when I made friends that were from the different groups. The best analogy I can make is it's like different Native American tribes. The Han ones (including my fiance) were the majority and they thought they were superior to everyone else. I know race relations are far from perfect here, too, but I would positively HATE to be in China.

Gunny-where in China have you been going? I have seldom had the trouble that you are describing. Maybe it's because I, too, am an ethnic minority (Pacific Islander) and they don't think I'm an American. Maybe it's also because when I travel within China, I always have my fiance and his family with me.
Kim (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 6:44 PM)

China remains a mystery. A native Chinese man who fled to the USA after, according to him, Chinese Communists killed his family except he and his brother, who also made a new life in the USA. This Chinese man is a retired restaurant owner and real estate investor who is a Korean War veteran and proud of killing Chinese while he was an American soldier. He gave me a job in his restaurant's kitchen where I was the only white person working with blacks who lived in the West End projects near Muhammad Ali's family in Louisville, Ky. I was poor, too, and used my generous pay for tuition at a white prep school. Without the Chinese man's help and the true friendships of my black co-workers I would not be one of those successful but stereotyped "privileged white men." My white classmates ditched me after high school; I was still poor. I'm betting there are lots of stories like mine in Urumqi but we'll never know for the same reasons China is a complete mystery. By the way, my next-door neighbors where I live now on an island near Seattle are Chinese and I have no idea how or why the three generations of people who live there came to the States. The oldest generation is distrustful and unpleasant, the others very nice and friendly. Also, there are many Chinese students at the best local high schools. The kids are very Americanized but crossing marriage lines even among Chinese from different parts of China isn't happening. I raised a daughter here, trust me. Like Fleetwood Mac sang, It's a Mystery to Me.
Surfinbird, Mercer Island, WA (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 6:45 PM)

Heard about "one child one family" both control policy in China. This policy is only for Han Chinese, not for ethnic monorities including Uighurs. The ethnic family can have more than one child. Have you heard any complain for this unfair issue from any Han people? The Chines goverment as well Han people willing to see the increasing of ethnic population. Beside the both control,the gorvement offer some other advantages to ethnic people, including specifical econemic policy.
Dajing Ji, Brea, CA (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 7:26 PM)

I believe that if the government did not intervene in time, it is Han's turn to kill Uighurs instead of allowing those uneducated and violence prone people revenge under the excuse of " we are not treated equally". Now in this northwestern area, minority is acting like majority to do whatever they think they can. Muslim sometimes have their "valid" excuse to revenge anywhere thru violence, Uighurs are no exception. If western media keep using the same anti PRC stragtegies, they are justified for being labelled as "biased".
sally (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 7:33 PM)

Chinese authorities are thugs, they need to get out of other peoples' land such as Tibet and Xinjiang
Kumar (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:06 PM)

The China is the most racist country in the world. They want to eliminate and separate. Human Rights are not part of the culture....this has gone on for centuries. The Wall is a symbol of thier racism.
Jack Peters (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:28 PM)

People just believe what they want to believe. Even the U.S Dept of State Spokesman admitted there was no evidences showing overusing forces, and the closest-to-fact video clip on youtube from theneutual Korean TV, some people here still believe brutal Commi goverment killed a lot Uighur victims. Of course Chinese goverment had bad history and no credit, but could those pro-uighur poster here show some evidences here too? I am really interested.
Philip, Phoenix, AZ (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:29 PM)

Once again the Chinese "government" is showing its true nature, as a bunch of thugs and criminals who use brutality to keep their victims in a state of slavery. Uighers, Tibetans and many other minorities, as well as Han Chinese who have to courage to stand up to the thugs endure untold suffering. Unfortunately, the disease of rabid nationalism appears to be reaching pandemic levels among the Han, who support the crimes of their leaders in the name of "patriotism."
Of course, as an historian I could point out thousands of similar incidents through human history: glorification of the state, subjugation of the individual, displacement and destruction of "subject races" by the "master race" through persecution, suppression of culture, inundation by members of the "master race" and murder. Fascist China is the contemporary moral equivalent of Nazi Germany. Those who think we can ever live in peace with the current Chinese regime are today's Charles Linbergh's and Neville Chamberlain's. The world will eventually have to stand up to fascist China, as it did to Nazi Germany, or risk becoming its slaves, as the Uighers and Tibetans are now.
Dave Straight, Windsor, California (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:49 PM)

Saddly heard the news about Xinjiang so far. As a Chinese who lives overseas, I have to say, it is immpossible for everything to get that so-called "equal oppotunity' and 'freedom', from any country, even you--USA. I'm from a minority ethnic south China and we alway can have better opportunities, such as lower scores to go to better schools, a couple can have two or three children while Han people can't. I also found out that all my Western friends know nothing about those minotity benifits in China---Haha because your media never told you these good sides.
Lily (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:21 PM)

Never Talk about "Romen customs" While you are not in "Rome".
AP (Sent Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:56 PM)

Who are Han Chinese? Are you sure that you are really Han Chinese or really an ethnic minority that was annexed and assimilated hundreds of years ago? There are many dialects in China and not everybody speaks Mandarin. Are Han Chinese that speak Cantonese really Han Chinese? I sometimes doubt it-- yet many people still make the claim that they are Han Chinese. If you look at the Dali Lama physical features, he doesn't look like he's got any East Indian or Middle Eastern traits-- he can pass for a Han Chinese too if he did not declare himself to be a Tibetan. Perhaps it is better to be known as a Han Chinese-- they way, you will get farther in life.

The real solution in this ethnic war between the Uighurs and Han Chinese is to enact "Separate but Equal" laws-- similar to the Jim Crow laws enacted after the Civil War in the U.S. These laws are morally wrong. The inconvenient truth is these laws enforcing racial segregation also keep people from killing each other from hatred for one another.

I look at this situation as the racial divide between whites and other minorities in the late-1800s to the mid-20th century. It is something that China must deal with. Although America was fortunate to have the idealology of equality, the concept never really materialized in reality only until recent days. Even today, there is still prejudices in people that still linger.

How will China react to this given that it is a one-party state ruled by the 90%+ majority Han Chinese? Seems unlikely that any minority group will prevail under these overwhelming odds. Equality seems unlikely for the Uighurs-- brotherhood lies between racial and cultural lines.
H. Yong, San Francisco, CA (Sent Friday, July 10, 2009 12:05 AM)

Religion is not an ethnicity. If they are all Chinese, of Asian descent, then it is about religious beliefs, is it not? One thing I am so tired of is the way the media is able to portray one group as opposed to another, for better or for worse. What ever happened to honest reporting? In this case, you cannot compare "The Square" incident to this.
Rick Robinson (Sent Friday, July 10, 2009 1:14 AM)

To All,

After fives days, the WSJ has finally broken ranks with the so called western media and reported that the riots were started by Uighurs, and the vast majority of the people attacked and killed were Hans. The WSJ even showed a picture of Han female victims lying in hospital beds, their heads wrapped in white bandage, and face swollen.

It is shameful the western media is framing the riot as minorities against communist government. NO! It is a pogrom against Hans by Uighur barbarians and terrorists.

For those who keep taking about human rights, there are over 130 million minorities (only 8 million Uighur) in China, and western media didn't even bother to ask them what they think about ethnic issues, the riots in XinJiang, and what type of preferential treatments minorities are getting from the Hans. Believe me, these treatments are lot better than the minorities get in the US.

Yes, every country has minorities, and there are always tensions and sometimes legitimate grievances. But having grievances justify killing innocent people? If that's the case, then it is perfectly legitimate for blacks and Native Americans to slaughter white Americans, Palestinians to exterminate Israelis and Jews, and Osama Bin Laden to eradicate the infidels.

I strongly urge the reporter to interview the Hans in Urumqi, and other minorities there and throughout China. Please also film the hospitals where victims are being treated, and identify the ethnicities of the deaths and injuries. The world deserves to know the truth.

To Gunny,

We Chinese know many foreigners are friends, and we want to have lasting friendships with them. The fury, or some call it nationalism or whatever names the media can fancy up, is due to years of distortion, false information on everything China by foreign media. They twist almost everything China does for political gains. Every time a person debunks the media bias, we are either a communist agent or someone who is brainwashed. This cold war mentality is omnipresent, and I believe is one of the main causes of the changing attitude.

Two examples:

Uighurs complained that most jobs go to Hans and not to them. Well, who are these Uighurs? Did the media bother to find out whether these people have the qualifications for getting a job? As we all know, to get a job, you MUST at least speak a language 99.99% of the people in the country speak, otherwise how can you expect do communicate with others. Why doesn’t the western media interview Uighur collage grads who all speak Putonghua in addition to their dialect, see whether they have jobs or not. If I were to apply for a job in the US, UK or any other so called western countries, I wonder how many companies would hire me if I do not speak their language.

To help the Uighurs, the government mandates dual language system in XinJiang schools. Putonghua and the Uighur language are both being taught to Uighurs. Yet the Uighurs are claiming the Hans are diluting or destroying their culture. This type of absurdity is everywhere, no matter what the government does, the western media always frames the issues to negatively depict China.

One of the most absurd things I read from western media last year was that building railroads to XinJiang and XiZang is cultural genocide. How can a landlocked region develop economically without transportation? If we don't develop those places economically, then we will be labeled oppressing minorities; when we did, then we are labeled as destroying cultures.

Gunny, this type of distortion is what we Chinese are furious about. We sincerely want to be friends with you and those who value our friendships, and we are always gracious to those who care about the well being of China and the Chinese people.
T.J, NYC (Sent Friday, July 10, 2009 1:34 AM)

The average Han Chinese is turning hostile to Westerners in this kinds of situation because they perceive that when these situations (ethnic riots)arise, the Western press are automatically biased against the Han Chinese. Like in the present situation in Urumqi. The ones that are beaten up and killed are clearly Han Chinese. Yet, the Western press play up the purported repression of the Uighers. The implication is that the Han Chinese deserve this. The Uighers are victims because they have missed out on economic opportunities and they are being repressioned (in the eyes of Westerners). In the eyes of Han Chinese, the Uighers actually are getting preferential treatment. They do not have to abide by the one child rule. If the Uighers go to public schools instead of their own ethnic schools, they receive extra marks in exams.
TC5, Seattle WA (Sent Friday, July 10, 2009 1:39 AM)

The opportunity for getting a quality education is there since all minorities can attend the same public schools. However, many of them prefer to go to schools of their own ethnicity which are taught in their own language. Many of them do not speak Chinese which is the national language and is the language for conducting business. It is possible that minorities fear going to public schools because they are afraid of discrimination. Officially, there is no discrimination against minorities in public schools, however, I do not know whether there is discrimination amongst students by students.
TC5, Seattle WA (Sent Friday, July 10, 2009 2:05 AM)

May on day the Western Media could tell the impartial truth of the things happened in China!!
I AM A CHINESE (Sent Friday, July 10, 2009 2:12 AM)

racism
Rice, OH (Sent Friday, July 10, 2009 2:12 AM)

I am a Han Chinese growing up in Xinjiang and I lived there for 16 years. We had separate schools and everything taught in Uyghur School was using Uyghur. I think the biggest mistake Chinese government made was not teaching Chinese to the Uyghur people. Many of you might cry "culture genocide" or destruction of identity, blah blah blah. But come on, how many American companies are willing to hire anyone who speaks no English and lacks basic meaning of communication in US? There were two Uyghur classmates in my class, they speak fluent Chinese and Uyghur. One of them becomes a medical doctor and one works in the government after they graduated from the college. We are still in touch with each other and consider each other as good friends. I believe education is the way to enlighten people and remove barriers no matter what language you use to educate people. You can never call a Native American who takes courses in English as an example of "culture genocide", can you?

Also in response of comments from Gunny, yes, back in 1989, many Chinese believed that Western countries are sincerely and wholehearted helping China to freedom and prosperity. But more and more, we found that is not the case. Anything bad happened in China will be amplified by 1000 times and anything good happened wil be neglected by the western media. In their view Chinese people are just a bunch of ignorant people brainwashed by the communist government. But as a human being, Chinese people worry the same thing as American people, health care, education for kids and taking vacations. With such a biased and distorted view to China, Chinese people are always wondering what the true intention of the Western media is about. Are they really for good of Chinese people or they are just offering Chinese people poison coated with sugar?
About 25 years ago, I read a story in a Chinese magazine talking about homeless people in US frozen to death in Detroit. My response to that story was "Wow, America is a cold blooded country unable to take care of its people." What will American think after you read similar stories for 1000 times. Will you start suspecting the intention of this magazine? As a old Chinese saying "One palm will never clap". When you question why the attitude of Chinese to Ameica changed in the past 20 years, also question yourself.
JCD, Seattle, Washington (Sent Friday, July 10, 2009 2:20 AM)

Humans are priviledged to evolved from primitives. However so, we live as discriminators in some part of us naturally, and that's when knowledge , education help us refine this blunt side.
By understanding others, we condone more than we compare of what others are from us.
Law , policies , fundamentals are therefore tools to help us in this respect such that we are deserving of the long and hard civilisation process, that we are able to live harmoniously with one another.
Wee (Sent Friday, July 10, 2009 2:30 AM)

The media is bias. Xinjiang has officialy been a part of China since 17th centry, I admit that Uighurs did not get their fair share of the prosperity and this need to be changed, but at least Han and Uighur are two ethinic groups within China and all the Chinese has the equal rights to resources and opportunities in China, and Uighurs are encouraged to find opportunities outside Xingjiang .
How does the media report on Israeli and Palestine conflict? How many Americans stood up for Palestinian whose homeland was taken from them just 50 years ago by total strangers and foreigners.
Michelle (Sent Friday, July 10, 2009 3:34 AM)

Let the factors tell all truth. Please learn the Chiese History. XINJIAN to be part of China for over $thousand years. What would people thought if Indian people killed white majority over 100,, and still said they were just too sad. Please read follwoing
article.

comment from markinnj on Jul 9th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/malcolmmoore/100002509/urumqi-riots-signal-dark-days-ahead/


I just finished watching an interview with Ms Rebiya Kadeer and found a few interesting facts:

1. She had 11 children, which confirms that Uighurs were not subject to China’s One Child Policy

2. She was born to a family with no background. She started her business with a road side convenient store and worked her way to be THE richest person in the province of Xinjing. This proved Uighurs can earn their business success through hard work.

3. She was a senior member of the People’s Congress of Xinjing, and a senior member of the National People’s Congress of China. This shows Uighurs were not excluded from political life in China

4. She was arrested because she provided funding to Eastern Turkestan and carried out activities in China following instructions from Eastern Turkestan. Eastern Turkestan is labeled as terrorist organization by most countries including the US , Russia, China, etc.


Jerry Zang (Sent Friday, July 10, 2009 3:59 AM)

I have friends in Urumqi. They told me the truth. It's basicaly not a conflict between Uighurs and Hans. It's murder by a small group of terriorists ,and they happen to be Uighurs. Because the terriorists are mainly from outside of Urumqi and they also killed some Urghurs, of cause most of casualties are Hans.
The worst intention is to describe this riot a fight between two nationalities. That will only result in more volience and blood.
For some people said Chinese governement has discrimination policy, yes, he's right. But this policy force all universities in Xinjiang giving Uighurs at least 60% quota evenif they are far behind average Hans students. And if a Uighurs man killed a Han people, he will be punished far less seriously according to a Chinese policy.
Tom from Beijing (Sent Friday, July 10, 2009 4:20 AM)

despite the politics(actually I hate politics),thinking about this: A killed B bloodily. what's you first thing in you mind, sympathize A or condemn A.
Andre ,Shenzhen ,China (Sent Friday, July 10, 2009 4:59 AM)

When it comes to the American news media, I think I
agree with that angry Han Chinese man - they're just
there to create sensationalism and they'll spin the
story to suit their big business-big government masters in the U.S. to accomplish whatever propaganda
suits their fancy. One minute it's about demonizing
the muslims and the next minute it's about demonizing
the Communist Chinese. I don't where the blame belongs in this issue, but I wouldn't believe anything
the American news media says.
Edward Stengel (Sent Friday, July 10, 2009 6:35 AM)

This US history regarding the American Indians sounds very similar to what has happened in the West of China
and Tibet. We have no room to criticize the Chinese government response.
Tony, Athens, Al (Sent Friday, July 10, 2009 6:49 AM)

As an oversea Chinese who studied and worked and lived in America for more than 10 years, I was one of the strong critics of Chinese government. But this time, I am outraged by the serous bias of certain western media. Let's put aside whether Chinese government discriminate the Uyguers or not, which I do not think it is true, how can you automatically blame the government's policy for those unspeakable voilent slaughters to innocent people just because their race: 84 year old women stone to death, 13 year old boy deheaded in his own home, and 48 year old father janked out of his car and beaten to death 100 meters away from his home...
The truth is, the more blindly bias of the west media with political agendas, the more the Chinese people will embrace their government. And I am one of them.
Hu, FL (Sent Friday, July 10, 2009 8:41 AM)

If you want to get real news, watch the BBC, DW (Deutche Welle), France24 and Rusia today. ABC, MBC and Fox news are all part of the government and are there for entertainment only.
Steve, Clearwater, Florida (Sent Friday, July 10, 2009 8:54 AM)

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