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Turdi Ghoja
06-07-09, 23:44
Please send this to any media contacts you may have or be able to find as soon as possible. We cannot keep silent while the media is copying what China says. I am also disappointed by UAA press releases on Shaoguan and Urumchi incidents. They relied on figures provided by the Chinese media instead of using Uyghur sources. We have to put out our own version of events so that media may mention it alongside with the Chinese version or use it as references. China is using all its muscile to block information from independent sources. UAA or any other Uyghur organization should not rely on the Chinese propaganda as facts. These press releases are very weak and does not have life of its own. That is not good enough!!!
Turdi
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Yesterday, on July 5, 2009, thousands of Uyghur students took to the streets of Urumchi to show their displeasure at government’s handling of a mob attack on Uyghur workers a week earlier in Shaoguan, Guangdong Province, in which 18 Uyghurs were killed and more than 300 were injured, and to get an answer why the police did not show up for hours to stop the Chinese attackers. Yesterday’s student protest started as peaceful demonstration as several amateur videos posted on Youtube suggest (check the video links below). But, as usual, the authorities did not want to listen to the grievances of the students, and replied with excessive forces instead. Paramilitary police initially used tear gas to disperse the student protesters but started to shoot at them when they refused to leave. According to Uyghur witnesses, paramilitary forces started to shoot at any protester on sight in the evening, chasing them around in alleyways, and killed estimated 400 – 1000 young Uyghurs. However, the Chinese media today showed only some wounded Chinese victims and scenes of Uyghurs attacking on various vehicles, images that they selected to present to the world and the Han Chinese audience to portray Uyghurs as bad troublemaker terrorists, a tactic that caused all this mess in the first place. They said 156 people died and 818 were wounded, but did not mention who they were and how they died or wounded. But the authorities are doing their best to restrict coverage from independent sources by blocking internet sites and phone services.
If the government had simply explained Shaoguan situation, as the demonstrators demanded, all this bloodshed could have been avoided. But, once again the authorities used this occasion to kill more Uyghurs to satisfy its thirst for Uyghur blood. Clearly the authorities demonstrated the same attitude to Uyghurs as those Chinese attackers at Shaoguan did a week earlier---deep hatred.
http://www.uyghuramerican.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15350
http://www.uyghuramerican.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15366
http://www.uyghuramerican.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15368
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIEZNJpyKaE&NR=1
Unfortunately, most international media outlets directly copied the news and images from the Chinese media and distributed them without proper investigation. By this time any responsible and observant journalist should know that China routinely lies in this kind of situation to cover up state abuses, especially when it comes to Uyghurs and Tibetans. For example, the Tiananmen massacre on Jun 4, 1989 did not happen on China’s book. It is disheartening that the international media completely ignored the incident in Shaoguan a week earlier, which led to yesterday’s demonstration in Urumchi.
What happened on Jun 26, 2009 in Shaoguan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_PJTO2k0PM

In recent years Chinese Government has been forcing young Uyghurs, primarily girls, against their wills to go to China’s coastal areas to work in factories as cheap labors as part of their scheme of assimilation. Last May they brought 800 Uyghur peasants to a toy factory in Shaoguan. The factory might have laid off some Chinese workers to make room for them. One disgruntled laid-off worker started a rumor that those new comer Uyghurs raped Chinese women. The Chinese workers believed this rumor easily because of the constant portrayal of Uyghurs as bad criminals and violent terrorists by the state media, and hundreds of them started to attack the Uyghurs randomly, killing 18 Uyghurs including 2 girls and injuring more than 300 according to Uyghur sources. Video images of that attack are unbearable to watch, the level of cruelty and hatred is uncomprehensible. One of the video clips posted by proud Chinese blogger shows a dozen Chinese were beating an Uyghur lying on the ground and yelling “you are still not dead yet, you are still not dead yet?” as they kept beating the motionless body.

According to Uyghur witnesses, some Chinese distributed a truck load of batons to Chinese workers. Security guards on site not only did not stop them but also helped distribute batons. The police did not show up for three hours. What is more outrageous is that those attackers were hailed as national heroes by Chinese bloggers who posted comments on those videos images. I browsed through Chinese sites and did not come across a single Chinese person showed any concern about innocent people being killed viciously like that for a false rumor. It is apparently a vicious hate crime that resulted from government’s constant portrayal of Uyghurs as bad terrorists. Considering that those poor peasants were brought there by force against their wills, the government should do more to protest them.

In Shaoguan the police did not show up for hours while Uyghurs were being murdered, but in Urumchi they showed up fast with fully loaded guns and did not hesitate to use them against armless students.
Xinjiang, which we call East Turkistan, is home to about nine million Uighurs. We, like the Tibetans have been suffering vicious political and religious persecution, ethnic discrimination and cultural genocide ever since the Chinese communists invade our homeland in 1949. China flooded our homeland with Chinese immigrants and marginalized the local people. The recent economic development in the area benefits mainly the Chinese immigrants not the Uyghurs and other local peoples. Unlike the Tibetans, the world did not pay any attention to us until the saga of 22 Uyghur men wrongfully detained at Guantanamo started to shed a light on the Uyghur situation in China.
China media carefully crops out the news and images that it wants the world to see and hides the actual full picture. I hope the international media will listen to the story of both sides involved before presenting the news from the Chinese media as facts.

shuhret
07-07-09, 00:32
You are the best! We should start twitting on twitter. Everyone, wherever you are, please print this letter, as many pages you as you can, with some pictures which shows our women and children were dying on the street corner. I will print 200 pages of this and some pictures, and will distribute to anyone in Washington DC tomorrow. We have had enough; please let human beings know the PLA is committing genocide in Urumqi today

Unregistered
07-07-09, 00:41
it looks so difficult for us to do this. I don't get it either, how come from those high victim'number on their screen (CNN or BBC), people only can see few chinese victimes over and over, but where is the real victim-Uyghur students? Why they do not mention them? where is the justic? OMG!

Unregistered
07-07-09, 07:20
you have to let them know your side of the story, otherwise that is what happens. send this to journalists you can find, any one wrote anything on uyghurs etc.


it looks so difficult for us to do this. I don't get it either, how come from those high victim'number on their screen (CNN or BBC), people only can see few chinese victimes over and over, but where is the real victim-Uyghur students? Why they do not mention them? where is the justic? OMG!

Unregistered
07-07-09, 09:01
My heart is broken. Hundreds and thousands of young Uighurs are killed
Why they do not mention any single Uyghur victim at all like china media does???? I can’t silent anymore. I will print this letter and distribute to my director, my manager, my supervisor, my co-workers. let them know what is really happening to uyghur in china.





Please send this to any media contacts you may have or be able to find as soon as possible. We cannot keep silent while the media is copying what China says. I am also disappointed by UAA press releases on Shaoguan and Urumchi incidents. They relied on figures provided by the Chinese media instead of using Uyghur sources. We have to put out our own version of events so that media may mention it alongside with the Chinese version or use it as references. China is using all its muscile to block information from independent sources. UAA or any other Uyghur organization should not rely on the Chinese propaganda as facts. These press releases are very weak and does not have life of its own. That is not good enough!!!
Turdi
xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Yesterday, on July 5, 2009, thousands of Uyghur students took to the streets of Urumchi to show their displeasure at government’s handling of a mob attack on Uyghur workers a week earlier in Shaoguan, Guangdong Province, in which 18 Uyghurs were killed and more than 300 were injured, and to get an answer why the police did not show up for hours to stop the Chinese attackers. Yesterday’s student protest started as peaceful demonstration as several amateur videos posted on Youtube suggest (check the video links below). But, as usual, the authorities did not want to listen to the grievances of the students, and replied with excessive forces instead. Paramilitary police initially used tear gas to disperse the student protesters but started to shoot at them when they refused to leave. According to Uyghur witnesses, paramilitary forces started to shoot at any protester on sight in the evening, chasing them around in alleyways, and killed estimated 400 – 1000 young Uyghurs. However, the Chinese media today showed only some wounded Chinese victims and scenes of Uyghurs attacking on various vehicles, images that they selected to present to the world and the Han Chinese audience to portray Uyghurs as bad troublemaker terrorists, a tactic that caused all this mess in the first place. They said 156 people died and 818 were wounded, but did not mention who they were and how they died or wounded. But the authorities are doing their best to restrict coverage from independent sources by blocking internet sites and phone services.
If the government had simply explained Shaoguan situation, as the demonstrators demanded, all this bloodshed could have been avoided. But, once again the authorities used this occasion to kill more Uyghurs to satisfy its thirst for Uyghur blood. Clearly the authorities demonstrated the same attitude to Uyghurs as those Chinese attackers at Shaoguan did a week earlier---deep hatred.
http://www.uyghuramerican.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15350
http://www.uyghuramerican.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15366
http://www.uyghuramerican.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15368
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIEZNJpyKaE&NR=1
Unfortunately, most international media outlets directly copied the news and images from the Chinese media and distributed them without proper investigation. By this time any responsible and observant journalist should know that China routinely lies in this kind of situation to cover up state abuses, especially when it comes to Uyghurs and Tibetans. For example, the Tiananmen massacre on Jun 4, 1989 did not happen on China’s book. It is disheartening that the international media completely ignored the incident in Shaoguan a week earlier, which led to yesterday’s demonstration in Urumchi.
What happened on Jun 26, 2009 in Shaoguan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_PJTO2k0PM

In recent years Chinese Government has been forcing young Uyghurs, primarily girls, against their wills to go to China’s coastal areas to work in factories as cheap labors as part of their scheme of assimilation. Last May they brought 800 Uyghur peasants to a toy factory in Shaoguan. The factory might have laid off some Chinese workers to make room for them. One disgruntled laid-off worker started a rumor that those new comer Uyghurs raped Chinese women. The Chinese workers believed this rumor easily because of the constant portrayal of Uyghurs as bad criminals and violent terrorists by the state media, and hundreds of them started to attack the Uyghurs randomly, killing 18 Uyghurs including 2 girls and injuring more than 300 according to Uyghur sources. Video images of that attack are unbearable to watch, the level of cruelty and hatred is uncomprehensible. One of the video clips posted by proud Chinese blogger shows a dozen Chinese were beating an Uyghur lying on the ground and yelling “you are still not dead yet, you are still not dead yet?” as they kept beating the motionless body.

According to Uyghur witnesses, some Chinese distributed a truck load of batons to Chinese workers. Security guards on site not only did not stop them but also helped distribute batons. The police did not show up for three hours. What is more outrageous is that those attackers were hailed as national heroes by Chinese bloggers who posted comments on those videos images. I browsed through Chinese sites and did not come across a single Chinese person showed any concern about innocent people being killed viciously like that for a false rumor. It is apparently a vicious hate crime that resulted from government’s constant portrayal of Uyghurs as bad terrorists. Considering that those poor peasants were brought there by force against their wills, the government should do more to protest them.

In Shaoguan the police did not show up for hours while Uyghurs were being murdered, but in Urumchi they showed up fast with fully loaded guns and did not hesitate to use them against armless students.
Xinjiang, which we call East Turkistan, is home to about nine million Uighurs. We, like the Tibetans have been suffering vicious political and religious persecution, ethnic discrimination and cultural genocide ever since the Chinese communists invade our homeland in 1949. China flooded our homeland with Chinese immigrants and marginalized the local people. The recent economic development in the area benefits mainly the Chinese immigrants not the Uyghurs and other local peoples. Unlike the Tibetans, the world did not pay any attention to us until the saga of 22 Uyghur men wrongfully detained at Guantanamo started to shed a light on the Uyghur situation in China.
China media carefully crops out the news and images that it wants the world to see and hides the actual full picture. I hope the international media will listen to the story of both sides involved before presenting the news from the Chinese media as facts.

Unregistered
07-07-09, 09:16
Web master, could you please put this letter to the top of message board as sticky. let visitor to this board know what is really happened in Urumqi. Thanks.

Unregistered
07-07-09, 18:06
dear friends, we are iranian in support of democracy in Iran.
as some of you might know Chinese government is a supporter of Dictatorship in Iran.
we understand your struggle for freedom in China, we are doing a same thing in Iran.
we are organizing a rally and protest infront of Chinese consulate here in San Francisco. we want to let them know we re not happy with their support of dictators in iran and we are not happy with the treatment of our brothers in Xinjiang.
I need to get intouch with Uyghur activists here in US and California. please email me any imformation.

embassyblitz@gmail.com

Unregistered
07-07-09, 19:16
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8139587.stm

Attention Americans:

Fifty years before the Chinese came to East Turkistan, they wore the uniform masks which were smiling faces and they were very handy at cleaning toilets. Look up today’s Chinese and they are bravo enough to be readily facilitated with steel pipes to smash home owners, the Uyghurs. Look at today’s Americans; when you wander around American Universities and research organizations, you often discover those smiling faces, they are namely called as Chinese researchers, and what they are doing is washing bottles and nodding their heads to ease their masters. Funny enough, today lots American offices are filled with flags of Chinese idioms. The Americans are enjoying the unknown idioms while the Chinese laughing at them. The Chinese are now often bravo enough to describe themselves as the future master of those stupid Americans. If Americans can’t see the true faces of today’s Chinese, tomorrow they will taste the steel pipes from those bravo “people”.

Unregistered
07-07-09, 19:54
wetendashlar resimni qandaq qoyidu hapa bolmay korsitip qoysanglar!!! Resim bar idi qoyalmaywatimen.............

Unregistered
09-07-09, 23:34
this is a flyer of Urumchi massacre. Feel free to distribute it.

www.icscv.org/pics/temp/Uyghur_Flyers.pdf

Unregistered
10-07-09, 09:01
Second paragraph from the last paragraph, Last sentence is " Government should do more to protest them", I presume it was supposed to be " protect". it'd be better if that is corrected just in case we copy and paste the article on other websites. Thanks

Unregistered
10-07-09, 16:32
The fact is the radical Uyguar mob killed Han chinese in alleyway ,with the cover of so-called peaceful march.

Stop your stirring ,U ARE LIAR!

Unregistered
10-07-09, 22:37
I emailed this letter and uyghur flyer everyone in my school, please do so it will take too much to do this and if one of all these people see that it counts!
thanks Turdi aka and whoever post the flyer.

Unregistered
12-07-09, 09:54
July Fifth 2009, the bloody end of the Uyghur student’s peaceful protest already proved the incapable approaches of local government of Xin Jiang and central government of China to the incident that had taken place last week in Urumqi. After the Chinese Government successfully blocked all the media communication tools such as the internet and telecommunication media, they started on their agenda and try to prove the group of protesters were actually Uyghur mob killers and now their propaganda finds another excuse that the protesters was not properly authorized by city police, therefore the government’s logic is that the protest was illegal; of course this is quite a nuisance. The tensions between Han and Uyghur people in China lasted back for decades, and the central government never seriously considered the root of problem in Xin Jiang. Now the Xin Jiang local government slogans are to severely punish those who were called Uyghur mob killers by Chinese government. The government may be correct in thinking it is that the severe punishments for those mob killers could solve tensions between Uyghur and Han people. It reminds me the well known Keyum Shorka’s story who was beaten to death by Chinese police few years before in Bei Jing. By story, the Keyum Shorka was a well known Uyhgur mafia who had thousands followers in China, it was a real threat in China once upon a time, and if anyone gets named by it, very immediately that one gets quite for very long time. I heard a story that Keyum’s father always prayed for God; it is only that God blessed Keyum, because Keyum was everything for him and it was his father’s wish that Keyum was to be alive forever. But now, if Chinese government goes harder and harder punishments for Uyghur protesters, then every Uyghurs might start to pray for God, they might need thousands of Keyum and the God should create them the thousands of Keyum. By then it leads to another problem, and then the Chinese cities go to the Dark Age. I am praying for God now. The Chinese government should not deploy a strong man’s attitude toward the Uyghur people. That attitude could cost millions of Uyghur lives and that attitude could cost hundred times more of Chinese lives too. Perhaps, as of now, the Chinese cannot imagine this talk because it is believed that you are now strong and you are now growing, but the Chinese should deploy a more tolerable attitude toward the Uyghur people, and there is even a time for the Chinese government to start thinking about partial territorial independence demanded from the Uyghur people.
The world needs civilization; it needs to be contributed by every human and creature!

Turdi Ghoja
12-07-09, 10:38
One Country Two System---Justice with Chinese Characteristics

Uyghurs and their supporters held a demonstration in Washington on July 7. We started at Dupont circle and marched to the Chinese Embassy. Several police officers accompanied us all the way to maintain order. The demonstrations peacefully ended and we all went home to have dinners. Half way around world in western China, a different demonstration took place two days earlier, on July 5, but it ended quite differently. Many of the 1000 –3000 Uyghur student who took part in the demonstration in Urumchi never got a chance to come home to have dinner or finish their homework or preparation for the finals that fateful night. When they left the campus or home, some holding Chinese flags to avoid being labeled as separatists, they probably did not realize that they just had their last lunch, sent their last the text message, read their last email or read their last book.

The peaceful protest, which could have ended the same way as the one in Washington if the Chinese police approached it in the same way as the DC police rather than resorting to extreme force, turned deadly. Chinese Government claims 184 people were killed and more than 850 were wounded. Authorities made sweeping arrests of Uyghurs following the violence, and announced the next day that 1434 arrests were made. Yesterday, authorities claimed majority of the killed were Chinese. But Uyghurs dispute that allegation and wants UN to send independent investigators. Uyghur eyewitnesses put the death toll estimate of Uyghurs between 800 –1000. In the past couple of days, reports have been coming out about more Uyghurs being taken away from their homes by the police. No one knows the exact number of the arrested, but the Government already announced death penalty and other harsh punishments for them, causing another protest by some Uyghur women whose husbands, sons or other male relatives were taken away.

It started as a peaceful demonstration as several amateur videos posted on Youtube and a FRA interview of witnesses attest The main goal of the Uyghur protesters is to show their disappointment at the government’s handling of a mob attack on Uyghur workers a week earlier in Shaoguan city, Guangdong Province, in which 18 Uyghurs were killed and more than 300 were injured according to Uyghurs. But, a Guardian article on Friday, July 10, reports that a Chinese participant in the mob attacks, who is still at large, claimed they killed 30 Uyghurs and he helped killing 7 of them. The students demanded a probe into the deadly attack and wanted to get an answer why the police did not show up for hours to stop the Chinese attackers and why the government had not make any arrests yet. They also wanted to protest against increased racial discrimination and persecution Uyghurs face across China. The protesters were young students who have access to Internet and probably watched the Youtube videos of the Shaoguan attacks in which both Chinese mob attackers and bloggers commented on them demonstrated incomprehensible level of hatred and cruelty towards Uyghurs. Authorities knew about the planned demonstration, because the students made announcements on Uyghurs websites days before. Paramilitary police were waiting for them at the announced location, the People’s Square, when the students arrived. They initially used tear gasses to disperse the protesters but started to shoot at them when they refused to leave, turning the peaceful protest into a riot. If the Chinese police simply took the same approach as the DC police did last Tuesday and allowed the protest to take place in a controlled environment, we would not have witnessed so much needless bloodshed and violence.
The police action was swift. They put down the unrest within hours by shooting at any protester on sight in the evening, chasing them around in alleyways. The next morning they announced that more than 140 people were dead and 850 were wounded. Rather than focusing on how to contain the violence, the authorities inflamed further violence by showing only some wounded Chinese victims and scenes of Uyghurs’ attacking on various vehicles, images that they carefully selected for the world and the Han Chinese audience to see, reinforcing the portrayal of Uyghurs as bad, troublemaking terrorists. This hate-mongering propaganda that caused the Shaoguan attack in the first place a week earlier worked once again and mobilized tens of thousands of Chinese vigilantes who roamed the city streets looking for revenge against the Uyghur, Kazakh, Uzbek, Kyrgyz, Tatar and other local inhabitants do not look like Chinese. They killed many people using cruel methods such beheading and mutilation. The security forces who did not hesitated to use deadly forces on Uyghur protesters earlier did little to stop them. It did not take long for them to put down the Uyghur unrest, but they allowed Chinese mob to roam the city for two days with makeshift weapons in hand. One Uyghur man’s comment to a Western reporter is quite telling, "If the Uyghurs had come out with batons and clubs as the Chinese vigilantes did, they would immediately be fired upon."
Indeed the government’s attitude to the two groups is in sharp contrast. Both the party secretary of the Xinjiang Autonomous Region and Urumchi City addressed the Chinese mob and called them “comrades”. But, they refused to meet the peaceful Uyghur protesters on Sunday, and called them “terrorists” the next day. Those Uyghurs who were involved in Sunday’s violence probably thought they were revenging for the Uyghurs died in Shaoguan just as the Chinese mob thought they were revenging for the Chinese died on Sunday. But one is labeled as terrorist the other as “comrade.” This is the justice with the Chinese Characteristics that Uyghur and Tibetans face in their every day lives.
Authorities have been publicizing their version of the event using all the means available, yet doing everything to prevent the leakage of the facts. Foreign media is allowed in the city, but not allowed to carry out independent and unhindered investigation. Internet and phone communications between East Turkistan and the outside world are cut.

Chinese state media coverage of the Urumchi violence reminds me the coverage of Tiananmen massacre. I clearly remember how media in China showed burned military vehicles, damaged properties and dead soldiers, particularly one who was hung from a bridge and burned to death. Twenty years later, Chinese Government still denies that troops shoot at students, a fact that everybody knows outside of China. It may takes years before the truth about the Urumchi violence comes to light fully if ever.

Unregistered
12-07-09, 16:01
[QUOTE=Unregistered;57916]it looks so difficult for us to do this. I don't get it either, how come from those high victim'number on their screen

Turdi Ghoja
12-07-09, 19:10
I read the Uyghur discussions about Shaoguan on the Uighurbiz.cn website before the Urumchi incident broke out. They said 18 Uyghurs including 2 women were killed. Government says only 2 were killed. But, in the following article by Guardian (from UK) a Chinese guy who took part in the killings and still at large disputed both numbers. He puts the death toll above 30. But, I tend to believe the number claimed by the Uyghurs inside China. Uyghurs in eastern China is a closely-knit community, somebody must have talked to the Uyghurs witnessed that violence. Since all of the Uyghur workers at that factory came from the same county, it would not be difficult for them to keep track who was killed or wounded. Some of the 30 Uyghurs the Chinese witness thought were dead could've been seriously wounded but were alive.

Turdi

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/10/china-riots-uighurs-han-urumqi

He said there was a rumour that Uighurs raped at least two women before the factory fight. One of the women killed herself afterwards, he said. "The Xinjiang men weren't punished. There is a different set of rules for them."

The government denies there were any rapes, but the allegation is repeated by almost all of the 20 or so local people the Guardian spoke to, including a policeman who said the government was covering up an incident that could incite racial tensions. But no one could provide evidence or the names of the victims. Whether truth or rumour, the rape allegations had huge consequences, exacerbated by modern technology.
As those involved called for reinforcements on their mobile phones, the brawl drew in hundreds. Video footage shot on a mobile phone and posted online shows a savage one-sided assault on Uighurs being severely beaten.

A local man said he took part in the assault because he was furious that the rapes had gone unpunished. "I just wanted to beat them. I hate Xinjiang people," he said. "Seven or eight of us beat a person together. Some Xinjiang people hid under their beds. We used iron bars to batter them to death and then dragged them out and put the bodies together."

Squatting on his haunches in the shadows of a half-constructed apartment block, the Han man – who gave no name – said the government was lying about the death toll. He claims he helped to kill seven or eight Uighurs, battering them until they stopped screaming. He thinks the death toll is more than 30, including a few Han.

"When I see the news and they say only two people died, I am so angry. That must be wrong. How can they not be dead? I saw their heads bleeding."

The Guardian was unable to verify his claims. Nobody else put the death toll as high. The security forces did not arrive until two and a half hours after the clashes started.

A policeman who was among them said only two people had died. "We got there late because it took a long time to assemble sufficient officers," he said. "When we arrived, there was blood everywhere and dozens of badly wounded people lying on the ground. It took two days for them to clear up." The authorities say 118 were injured, many critically

Hundreds of those involved in the violence then left the next day, locals said, to avoid arrest. For more than a week after the deadly brawl, the only arrest was of Zhu Gangyuan, a man accused of spreading the rumours about the rape of the two women. Police say he was a disgruntled former employee who made up the story to get revenge on the company after it refused to re-hire him.

Unregistered
13-07-09, 20:14
Calm down, chinese force didn't massively kill chinese Uighur citizens. If you have video of chinese force firing at the crowd, we'll be eager to see it, but no one has it. The heavy death toll is mostly han chinese, killed by extremist terrorist in the back street of Urumqi's. That's what most of your pictures are about. Look at the wounds, it's mostly throat cut and head being smashed, not gun shots. The other part of your pictures are taken at Guang Dong province, which happened earlier. So your side of story needs better evidence, video and picture, if you have them.

Unregistered
13-07-09, 21:14
If you need evidence, remove the communication blockage and allow international and Uyghur organizations to carry out unhindered investigation. The Chinese Government has flooded the city and whole region with security forces and arrested thousands, majority of those may never come out alive or see the sun light again. If your fascist government stops intimidating Uyghurs, they will come forward with evidence. One thing the Chinese Government is really good at is how to trick people. They knew they lost credibiliy in the eyes of the international community and they also knew that most Uyghurs are scared to death and will not likely to come forward to talk to reporters, therefore they changed their tactic this time and invited international media to Urumchi, but they failed to give unhindered access to them to carry out independent investigation. We still have not talked to our relatives back home because internet and phone lines are still down. Phone lines were sporadically open last Sunday night after the incident and early monday, but has been down ever since. Eyes witnesses placed Uyghur death well over 1000. If you think government does not lie, check the news today about the new shooting in Urumchi. The government claimed police shot to death 2 Uyghurs who were chasing a third Uyghur and refused to obey police intervention, but hours later AP reported a different version of the shooting incident. A AP reporter interviewed a Chinese contruction worker in the area who said the police shot 3 Uyghurs who were appoaching the police with batons in hand.

If the government really wants the world to



Calm down, chinese force didn't massively kill chinese Uighur citizens. If you have video of chinese force firing at the crowd, we'll be eager to see it, but no one has it. The heavy death toll is mostly han chinese, killed by extremist terrorist in the back street of Urumqi's. That's what most of your pictures are about. Look at the wounds, it's mostly throat cut and head being smashed, not gun shots. The other part of your pictures are taken at Guang Dong province, which happened earlier. So your side of story needs better evidence, video and picture, if you have them.

Unregistered
14-07-09, 02:44
Good, from your post, looks like at least we both agree that your side of the story is lack of evidence. (But you argue that it's because chinese government prevents evidence to emerge/come out.) I think this agreement between us is very important.

Logically the lack of evidence could mean there's no such evidence at all; or like what you accused, chinese government block picture/video of troops firing at crowd from getting out of xinjiang. I have to tell you the truth that, from what I watched these days over the internet, it's highly unlikely such evidence exists and the Chinese government is blocking it. On youtube, we've seen many videos of this Urumqi riot and terror attack, many of them taken by ordinary people using cell phones. That means even if chinese government blocked internet on and off, they can't completely block it, people still find ways to upload stuff, using proxy, passing firewalls... It's just technically impossible to totally cut of the communication. When we see mobs killing innocent pass by ppl, yet we didn't see any video about chinese force firing at peaceful protesters, this keeps me unconvinced about any claim that chinese troops killed several hundred peaceful protesters.

So far chinese government seems to have done a good job about restraining from using fire power. Actually I think they didn't use proper force to stop the riot from killing innocent people. As for the victims killed by terrorist at back streets, it's hard to blame the government cause this is a new form of terrorist attack, and the terrorists' aim is very clear, to create fear among han chinese in xinjiang so no more han chinese will come to xinjiang.

Your words seems you don't understand the situation in xinjiang very much. "remove the communication blockage" --- the blockage is on and off. When it's on, it's mainly to block the separatist groups and terrorist groups outside the country to stimulate/master mind more violence through the internet.

"allow international and Uyghur organizations to carry out unhindered investigation." --- this is so far internal affair of china, no foreign government asks for such investigation yet. Plus, for Uyghur organizations, some of them are terrorist groups, creating bus bombing incidences in urumqi before, probably master minded the terrorist attack this time. Chinese government won't allow them even get in to the country. The rest of the Uyghur groups didn't openly denounce these terrorists(maybe they did, but I haven't heard of?), so their position is in question too.

"The Chinese Government has flooded the city and whole region with security forces and arrested thousands, majority of those may never come out alive or see the sun light again."
--- chinese force is to protest innocent ppl from being attacked, they didn't have enough force. The arrest is good, the riots, mobs, terrorists killing and hurting others will face the consequence of their acts.

"If your fascist government stops intimidating Uyghurs, they will come forward with evidence. One thing the Chinese Government is really good at is how to trick people. They knew they lost credibiliy in the eyes of the international community and they also knew that most Uyghurs are scared to death and will not likely to come forward to talk to reporters, therefore they changed their tactic this time and invited international media to Urumchi, but they failed to give unhindered access to them to carry out independent investigation."
---ordinary uyghur chinese citizens had the chance to talk to international media. Did you see the coverage about hundreds of uyghur chinese women protesting the next day after 7/5? They complained their men being detained by government. If chinese troops opened fire on 7/5 and killed hundreds/thousands, these uyghur chinese women would have spoken out, yet they didn't mention this to international media, or show cell phone pictures/videos.
By the way, this is a peaceful uyghur protest, no one injured or killed; the one on 7/5 is not. I wish uyghur chinese protesters learn from this protest.

"Eyes witnesses placed Uyghur death well over 1000." --- again, in xinjiang, people have cell phones, if they see Uyghur death well over 1000, they will take pictures/videos, but I didn't see the mass Uyghur death picture/video, only the han chinese heavy casualty pictures, and the fake picture evidence that Rabeer Kadeer(maybe wrong spelling) was showing at Al Gezeera(spelling maybe wrong) interview.

"A AP reporter interviewed a Chinese contruction worker in the area who said the police shot 3 Uyghurs who were appoaching the police with batons in hand."
--- you should read the western media more carefully, try this one http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/13/world/main5154581.shtml as a starter. From the chinese news I read, Chinese government made it clear that the force shot 3 uyghurs, killing 2, as these 3 trying to assaulting a fourth Uighur with knives and rods. This is just what the AP report says. And later in this AP story, the construction worker confirmed these 3 are with knives. Actually you live in the west probably, do you ever "appoaching the police with batons in hand"? Won't the police in the united states order you to disarm and if you don't listen, open fire?



If you need evidence, remove the communication blockage and allow international and Uyghur organizations to carry out unhindered investigation. The Chinese Government has flooded the city and whole region with security forces and arrested thousands, majority of those may never come out alive or see the sun light again. If your fascist government stops intimidating Uyghurs, they will come forward with evidence. One thing the Chinese Government is really good at is how to trick people. They knew they lost credibiliy in the eyes of the international community and they also knew that most Uyghurs are scared to death and will not likely to come forward to talk to reporters, therefore they changed their tactic this time and invited international media to Urumchi, but they failed to give unhindered access to them to carry out independent investigation. We still have not talked to our relatives back home because internet and phone lines are still down. Phone lines were sporadically open last Sunday night after the incident and early monday, but has been down ever since. Eyes witnesses placed Uyghur death well over 1000. If you think government does not lie, check the news today about the new shooting in Urumchi. The government claimed police shot to death 2 Uyghurs who were chasing a third Uyghur and refused to obey police intervention, but hours later AP reported a different version of the shooting incident. A AP reporter interviewed a Chinese contruction worker in the area who said the police shot 3 Uyghurs who were appoaching the police with batons in hand.

If the government really wants the world to

Unregistered guest
14-07-09, 08:18
When bullets are chasing flying around your head, you would not have the time to take picture, the police would not wait for you to tale picture, would they? People only can see the bodies from far (police protection of the scene etc) after the shooting stopped or know their neighbors disappeared. Therefore the evidence we got is word of mouth, no picture or video. But, I believe more concrete evidence will emerge. Our sources do not need to lie.



Good, from your post, looks like at least we both agree that your side of the story is lack of evidence. (But you argue that it's because chinese government prevents evidence to emerge/come out.) I think this agreement between us is very important.

Logically the lack of evidence could mean there's no such evidence at all; or like what you accused, chinese government block picture/video of troops firing at crowd from getting out of xinjiang. I have to tell you the truth that, from what I watched these days over the internet, it's highly unlikely such evidence exists and the Chinese government is blocking it. On youtube, we've seen many videos of this Urumqi riot and terror attack, many of them taken by ordinary people using cell phones. That means even if chinese government blocked internet on and off, they can't completely block it, people still find ways to upload stuff, using proxy, passing firewalls... It's just technically impossible to totally cut of the communication. When we see mobs killing innocent pass by ppl, yet we didn't see any video about chinese force firing at peaceful protesters, this keeps me unconvinced about any claim that chinese troops killed several hundred peaceful protesters.

So far chinese government seems to have done a good job about restraining from using fire power. Actually I think they didn't use proper force to stop the riot from killing innocent people. As for the victims killed by terrorist at back streets, it's hard to blame the government cause this is a new form of terrorist attack, and the terrorists' aim is very clear, to create fear among han chinese in xinjiang so no more han chinese will come to xinjiang.

Your words seems you don't understand the situation in xinjiang very much. "remove the communication blockage" --- the blockage is on and off. When it's on, it's mainly to block the separatist groups and terrorist groups outside the country to stimulate/master mind more violence through the internet.

"allow international and Uyghur organizations to carry out unhindered investigation." --- this is so far internal affair of china, no foreign government asks for such investigation yet. Plus, for Uyghur organizations, some of them are terrorist groups, creating bus bombing incidences in urumqi before, probably master minded the terrorist attack this time. Chinese government won't allow them even get in to the country. The rest of the Uyghur groups didn't openly denounce these terrorists(maybe they did, but I haven't heard of?), so their position is in question too.

"The Chinese Government has flooded the city and whole region with security forces and arrested thousands, majority of those may never come out alive or see the sun light again."
--- chinese force is to protest innocent ppl from being attacked, they didn't have enough force. The arrest is good, the riots, mobs, terrorists killing and hurting others will face the consequence of their acts.

"If your fascist government stops intimidating Uyghurs, they will come forward with evidence. One thing the Chinese Government is really good at is how to trick people. They knew they lost credibiliy in the eyes of the international community and they also knew that most Uyghurs are scared to death and will not likely to come forward to talk to reporters, therefore they changed their tactic this time and invited international media to Urumchi, but they failed to give unhindered access to them to carry out independent investigation."
---ordinary uyghur chinese citizens had the chance to talk to international media. Did you see the coverage about hundreds of uyghur chinese women protesting the next day after 7/5? They complained their men being detained by government. If chinese troops opened fire on 7/5 and killed hundreds/thousands, these uyghur chinese women would have spoken out, yet they didn't mention this to international media, or show cell phone pictures/videos.
By the way, this is a peaceful uyghur protest, no one injured or killed; the one on 7/5 is not. I wish uyghur chinese protesters learn from this protest.

"Eyes witnesses placed Uyghur death well over 1000." --- again, in xinjiang, people have cell phones, if they see Uyghur death well over 1000, they will take pictures/videos, but I didn't see the mass Uyghur death picture/video, only the han chinese heavy casualty pictures, and the fake picture evidence that Rabeer Kadeer(maybe wrong spelling) was showing at Al Gezeera(spelling maybe wrong) interview.

"A AP reporter interviewed a Chinese contruction worker in the area who said the police shot 3 Uyghurs who were appoaching the police with batons in hand."
--- you should read the western media more carefully, try this one http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/13/world/main5154581.shtml as a starter. From the chinese news I read, Chinese government made it clear that the force shot 3 uyghurs, killing 2, as these 3 trying to assaulting a fourth Uighur with knives and rods. This is just what the AP report says. And later in this AP story, the construction worker confirmed these 3 are with knives. Actually you live in the west probably, do you ever "appoaching the police with batons in hand"? Won't the police in the united states order you to disarm and if you don't listen, open fire?

Unregistered
14-07-09, 09:20
Calm down, chinese force didn't massively kill chinese Uighur citizens. If you have video of chinese force firing at the crowd, we'll be eager to see it, but no one has it. The heavy death toll is mostly han chinese, killed by extremist terrorist in the back street of Urumqi's. That's what most of your pictures are about. Look at the wounds, it's mostly throat cut and head being smashed, not gun shots. The other part of your pictures are taken at Guang Dong province, which happened earlier. So your side of story needs better evidence, video and picture, if you have them.

puw puw..pucka puke, dogs of Chinese smells everywhere, get out here.

Unregistered
14-07-09, 09:22
Good, from your post, looks like at least we both agree that your side of the story is lack of evidence. (But you argue that it's because chinese government prevents evidence to emerge/come out.) I think this agreement between us is very important.

Logically the lack of evidence could mean there's no such evidence at all; or like what you accused, chinese government block picture/video of troops firing at crowd from getting out of xinjiang. I have to tell you the truth that, from what I watched these days over the internet, it's highly unlikely such evidence exists and the Chinese government is blocking it. On youtube, we've seen many videos of this Urumqi riot and terror attack, many of them taken by ordinary people using cell phones. That means even if chinese government blocked internet on and off, they can't completely block it, people still find ways to upload stuff, using proxy, passing firewalls... It's just technically impossible to totally cut of the communication. When we see mobs killing innocent pass by ppl, yet we didn't see any video about chinese force firing at peaceful protesters, this keeps me unconvinced about any claim that chinese troops killed several hundred peaceful protesters.

So far chinese government seems to have done a good job about restraining from using fire power. Actually I think they didn't use proper force to stop the riot from killing innocent people. As for the victims killed by terrorist at back streets, it's hard to blame the government cause this is a new form of terrorist attack, and the terrorists' aim is very clear, to create fear among han chinese in xinjiang so no more han chinese will come to xinjiang.

Your words seems you don't understand the situation in xinjiang very much. "remove the communication blockage" --- the blockage is on and off. When it's on, it's mainly to block the separatist groups and terrorist groups outside the country to stimulate/master mind more violence through the internet.

"allow international and Uyghur organizations to carry out unhindered investigation." --- this is so far internal affair of china, no foreign government asks for such investigation yet. Plus, for Uyghur organizations, some of them are terrorist groups, creating bus bombing incidences in urumqi before, probably master minded the terrorist attack this time. Chinese government won't allow them even get in to the country. The rest of the Uyghur groups didn't openly denounce these terrorists(maybe they did, but I haven't heard of?), so their position is in question too.

"The Chinese Government has flooded the city and whole region with security forces and arrested thousands, majority of those may never come out alive or see the sun light again."
--- chinese force is to protest innocent ppl from being attacked, they didn't have enough force. The arrest is good, the riots, mobs, terrorists killing and hurting others will face the consequence of their acts.

"If your fascist government stops intimidating Uyghurs, they will come forward with evidence. One thing the Chinese Government is really good at is how to trick people. They knew they lost credibiliy in the eyes of the international community and they also knew that most Uyghurs are scared to death and will not likely to come forward to talk to reporters, therefore they changed their tactic this time and invited international media to Urumchi, but they failed to give unhindered access to them to carry out independent investigation."
---ordinary uyghur chinese citizens had the chance to talk to international media. Did you see the coverage about hundreds of uyghur chinese women protesting the next day after 7/5? They complained their men being detained by government. If chinese troops opened fire on 7/5 and killed hundreds/thousands, these uyghur chinese women would have spoken out, yet they didn't mention this to international media, or show cell phone pictures/videos.
By the way, this is a peaceful uyghur protest, no one injured or killed; the one on 7/5 is not. I wish uyghur chinese protesters learn from this protest.

"Eyes witnesses placed Uyghur death well over 1000." --- again, in xinjiang, people have cell phones, if they see Uyghur death well over 1000, they will take pictures/videos, but I didn't see the mass Uyghur death picture/video, only the han chinese heavy casualty pictures, and the fake picture evidence that Rabeer Kadeer(maybe wrong spelling) was showing at Al Gezeera(spelling maybe wrong) interview.

"A AP reporter interviewed a Chinese contruction worker in the area who said the police shot 3 Uyghurs who were appoaching the police with batons in hand."
--- you should read the western media more carefully, try this one http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/13/world/main5154581.shtml as a starter. From the chinese news I read, Chinese government made it clear that the force shot 3 uyghurs, killing 2, as these 3 trying to assaulting a fourth Uighur with knives and rods. This is just what the AP report says. And later in this AP story, the construction worker confirmed these 3 are with knives. Actually you live in the west probably, do you ever "appoaching the police with batons in hand"? Won't the police in the united states order you to disarm and if you don't listen, open fire?

puw puw.. pucka puke, dogs of Chinese smells everywhere, get out here

Unregistered
14-07-09, 16:33
Uyghur = Turk,
Han = Chinese.

Do you need a teacher?



Calm down, chinese force didn't massively kill chinese Uighur citizens. If you have video of chinese force firing at the crowd, we'll be eager to see it, but no one has it. The heavy death toll is mostly han chinese, killed by extremist terrorist in the back street of Urumqi's. That's what most of your pictures are about. Look at the wounds, it's mostly throat cut and head being smashed, not gun shots. The other part of your pictures are taken at Guang Dong province, which happened earlier. So your side of story needs better evidence, video and picture, if you have them.

Unregistered
14-07-09, 17:15
Hej, folks, you need to do better media work. Here, for example, is a list of newspapers worldwide: http://www.worldpress.org/gateway.htm

There are masses of such lists in the internet.

You can also contact governments, e.g. their ministry of foreign affairs. All contacts you can find in the internet.

AND (!) do not make the mistake and agree to being a minority in China! Don`t let yourself brainwash.

You are the Uyghurs of East-Turkistan. You solely need international help and recognition now in order to save your country and get the Han-Chinese out.

Don`t allow Chinese to steal your resources. Offer free exploitation to the USA, or another state that you like, in return for helping you to liberate and set up a functioning Uyghur government in East-Turkistan.

Unregistered
14-07-09, 20:35
Uyghur living in China: most of them are chinese citizens
Han living in China: most of them are chinese citizens too

For both Uyghur and Han living in China, if they don't like being a Chinese citizen, try to emigrate and get a foreign passport. If they don't like living in china, leave.

The so called East Turkistan is not recognized by any nation on the world. It's not if I need a teacher, you need to stop living in your dream and come back to reality. If you don't want to come back to the reality, at least don't force other people to go in your dream, that won't work.


Uyghur = Turk,
Han = Chinese.

Do you need a teacher?

Unregistered
14-07-09, 23:13
why do you jump so high? what wrong to have a dream of independent? didn't chinese had dream when japan killed then, did you ever hear about Dr.King's speech "I have dream", how long did it took for a black people to have dream to be a present of United states? you have opinion talk about it donot jump so high to stop people from having dream! This might be just being of what uyghurs will reach, so be wise if you forgot your history, learn to have respective communication. you are very opposite of yourself on you message, you said you saw a lot from youtube about chinese victims, why do not you think there will not be victim of uyhgurs if chinese goverement was honest! plus we all know chinese are cheater see what happen to Olympic? and very thing made in china?
Any way, this is where people have intellegnet disscusion if you cannot be fair person donot waste your time, as american I donot buy your nonsense even my goverment is too busy to take care of his own business. I have no respect to those chinese woman married to other nationality just to get a citizentiship! Isn't that one of chinese police too!!!! so watch out history repeat itself and dreams can come true!

Unregistered
15-07-09, 01:48
Calm down, you don't need to use so many exclamation signs to make your points, looks like you can jump much higher than I do. Seems like you don't know the difference between 'having a dream' and 'living in a dream'. Dr. King had a dream, but he was living in the reality, seeing the fact that black ppl not being treated well at that time. The folk I replied to was living in a dream, not seeing the fact that until now, most Uyghurs living in xinjiang are still chinese citizens. I was just trying to let him know the reality. See, having a dream is about what you want the future to be, living in a dream is about distorting the facts about present time, these 2 are different.

In my previous post I didn't say anything about if their dream of independence is good or not. But since you brought that up, let me say with all the respect and love to Uyghur people, it's not good for you, not good for anyone. Some dreams are good like the Dr. King's, he pursued it through peaceful means; some dreams are bad, like Hitler dreamed about ruling the world by force. I wish everyone can see there's something like a gold rule that, since world war II, big change of border to a major nation by force is over. If you really want to try it, there'll be a lot of blood. Remember soviet union once broke up, but that was in consent among all members in the union like Russia, Uqrane... Every member country agreed to break up. Later, unfortunately people in Chechnya forgot the gold rule, they thought they can separate Russia by force. Well, look what you get now, thousands of lives lost on russian side, and 40% chechnyian population(300,000) killed in the war. Is this what people really want? Is it really worth it, to lose so many lives, to pursue independence(and yet you might still don't get it, like chechnya)?


why do you jump so high? what wrong to have a dream of independent? didn't chinese had dream when japan killed then, did you ever hear about Dr.King's speech "I have dream", how long did it took for a black people to have dream to be a present of United states? you have opinion talk about it donot jump so high to stop people from having dream! This might be just being of what uyghurs will reach, so be wise if you forgot your history, learn to have respective communication. you are very opposite of yourself on you message, you said you saw a lot from youtube about chinese victims, why do not you think there will not be victim of uyhgurs if chinese goverement was honest! plus we all know chinese are cheater see what happen to Olympic? and very thing made in china?
Any way, this is where people have intellegnet disscusion if you cannot be fair person donot waste your time, as american I donot buy your nonsense even my goverment is too busy to take care of his own business. I have no respect to those chinese woman married to other nationality just to get a citizentiship! Isn't that one of chinese police too!!!! so watch out history repeat itself and dreams can come true!

Unregistered
15-07-09, 02:30
From youtube, you can see that there are many people taking videos/pictures during the riot, and there wasn't any bullets flying. So if the troops suddenly open massive fire, those cell phone camera men won't know in advance, their equipments will keep running at least for a while. That means we shall at least see some videos/pictures about troops start to fire, and yet no such thing so far.

Actually "When bullets are chasing flying", if the crowd is big enough, someone will be able to take picture/video, remember the situation in Palestine, Iraq, Chechnya...

You mentioned you have only "word of mouth" now, and believe "more concrete evidence will emerge". I totally agree with you that word of mouth is not concrete evidence, actually it can be just rumors. Why do you have to jump into conclusion that chinese force killed massively? What if they didn't? Since you said you believe it will emerge, how about you wait until the day "more concrete evidence will emerge", and then start blaming chinese government. That will be a more concrete blame, right?


When bullets are chasing flying around your head, you would not have the time to take picture, the police would not wait for you to tale picture, would they? People only can see the bodies from far (police protection of the scene etc) after the shooting stopped or know their neighbors disappeared. Therefore the evidence we got is word of mouth, no picture or video. But, I believe more concrete evidence will emerge. Our sources do not need to lie.

Unregistered
15-07-09, 08:35
So called Xinjinag, in English “New territory” is homeland to all the Turks, Uyghur, Kazakh, Kirgiz, Uzbek… They are not Chinese, never will be. Those peoples are not living in China. They are living in East Turkistan. Don’t force those peoples to live in your Chinese dream.

Tell your central government to issue the travel document to the peoples in the region. You will see the most of the Chinese will flood out there to the foreign country. And once they get their foreign ID, they flush out their Chinese Passport along with their pee and poop down from toilet. Just like what you did.

You need to face to the reality, peoples in East Turkistan don’t want to be Chinese and don’t want to live as Chinese.




Uyghur living in China: most of them are chinese citizens
Han living in China: most of them are chinese citizens too

For both Uyghur and Han living in China, if they don't like being a Chinese citizen, try to emigrate and get a foreign passport. If they don't like living in china, leave.

The so called East Turkistan is not recognized by any nation on the world. It's not if I need a teacher, you need to stop living in your dream and come back to reality. If you don't want to come back to the reality, at least don't force other people to go in your dream, that won't work.

Unregistered
15-07-09, 13:08
Cruel China, Miserable Uyghur and Disabled World

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Cruel China, Miserable Uyghur and Disabled World

By Uyghur Oghlu

It is an undeniable fact that Uyghur people have suffered tremendously under the Chinese communist regime over the past 60 years. The destruction and tragedy that China has imposed on Uyghurs is no less than the holocaust that the fascist Germany committed against innocent Jews people. Although the nature of China's oppression of Uyghurs has been static prior to "9.11", the scale and intensity of it have been widended and acclerated after "9.11".

Seven years ago from today, although there is a day and light, Earth and Mars differences between the way of Uyghur life and lunatic Al-Qaida and Taliban Maniacs, Richard Armitage declared in Bejing that "ETIM", a fake organization that Uyghurs have never heard of as a terrorist organization. The opportunistic Chinese communist leaders took advantage of this, began to categorically demonize the Uyghur people as terrorists or terror suspects. Needless to say, US listing of so-called "ETIM" has played a catalyst role for China to oppress Uyghurs even harsher. With that declaration, the United Stated of America which stands for as a beacon of hope for oppressed people, and only one country on earth that can tremble the dictators in China and around the globe has sold out its core value, and debased its image among the oppressed people. Having won their jackpot from US, China attacked Uyghurs in every dimension of life.

Let's not talk about the innocent Uyghurs killed during the various political campaigns directed at Uyghurs since 1949.

Let's not talk about the untimely deaths of thousands of poor Uyghurs who without knowing what the cause of their diseases due to China's numerous atomic bomb tests in Uyghur Land since 1960.

Let's not talk about the mental and physical deaths of kind and naive uyghur women whose babies were aborted in an abject condition due to forced abortion.
Let's talk about how China increased its oppression of uyghurs since "9..11";
In violation of their own constituion and Autonomus Regional Law, China restricted Uyghur culture. Uyghur lanuguage was forbidden to teach at schools, and Mandarin was forced on Uyghur Children when they were in kindergarden. Uyghur teachers, and government staff were laid off due to insuffient Chinese language, where it is not needed at all. Uyghur government workers were forced to shave off their symbol of manhood - moustaches and beards and fined or reprimanded them for going to the mosque or attending the burial rituals. Uyghur youth who were found jogging or doing physical exercise were questioned for their motive of their increasing physical strength. Since 2006, hundreds and thousand of young and beautiful Uyghur girls were transferred to China's coastal regions in the name of employment. These girls' age range from 14-22 and are at the best of their reproductive age. Due to the revelation of this political campaign and subsequent international inquiry on this campaign, Wang le quan and his puppet Nur Bekri began to transfer young and able Uyghur men to the coastal region to cover their motive. Those young Uyghurs literaly were turned into modern slaves working for a dime per hour. Uyghurs who protested these policy were imprisoned at best, and executed at the worts, despite international organizations' criticism of China's human rights record. The local Chinese officials have turned Uyghur land which located in Central Asia into a "new concentration camp" in 21th century with Chinese caracteristics.

Uyghurs complained, screamed and cried, but no government dared to say anything to China.

As if these misery were not enough for uyghurs, Newt Ginggrich and Rush Limbaugh took sides with Communst China and demonized Uyghurs. what a dirty lap dancing?

Three things have happened recently in Uyghur life and it reminded us the cruelty of China, misery of uyghurs, and impotency of the world.

Listen world, you are semi-deaf. you heard the "calling" from Iran, and mourned the death of innocent girl - "Neda". but you have not heard the cry of uyghurs. Uyghurs started to cry louder since May'2009, when a 33 year old Chinese beast surnamed Zhao, a primary school language teacher who was recruited by government to teach Uyghur pupils in the historical Uyghur city of Yarkand- were discovered to have had sexually assaulted more than a dozen innocent Uyghur girls whose age ranges 8-11 old. For his unforgivable crime, he was protected by the school principal Liu Yu Mei, and along with other local Chinese police. The uyghur parents who demanded him be punished harshly were intimitated, discouraged.

Hello Chinese people, Hello parents in the world, don't you have kids? what were you do, if that happens to your children?

The second incident happened in Shao guan, Guangdong. The victims are 800 Uyghur young workers, of whom most were female. They were brought there by the intimidation and deception of so-called ineffective Autonomous Regional Government in mid-June of 2009. On June 26th, thousands of Chinese gangsters in Shaoguan attacked these young Uyghurs who were unaware of the death was falling on them. Any normal person with a human heart who sees the video distributed by the Chinese themselves will be furious at the crulety of those Chinese. In it, Uyghurs who were attempting to escape the Chinese terrorists were beaten to death. The more enraging fact is that the Chinese police did not come on time, and delayed protection of these innocent Uyghurs who were the victims of Wang Le quan's terror policy. As a result, a number of them died, and many of them were severely injured. I could not believe that Chinese people would show such cruelty toward Uyghurs who have done nothing wrong and happened to be their fellow citizens. Later, it turned out that these Chinese terrorists were instigated by a rumor made by another dissatisfied Chinese factory worker.
Poor Uyghurs, poor and soulless Chinese.

Had the police protected these innocent victims at the time, and Wang le quan or Nur Bekri flew to Guang Dong and paid attention to Uyghurs' pain, things would not have gotten this bad. The incoming tragedy must have been averted. I have the sympathy for the victims of Nanking massacre, and hate those war criminals, and I thought Chinese were better than those war criminals. but not anymore. In that video, holding the metal rods and other violent tools, shouts the Chinese: "Kill the Uyghurs, Kill them all!", and they raise their hands with pride and sense of victory each time an Uyghur falls. Did they think these Uyghurs came from Japan?

I did not forget that Chinese internet police has built the strongest online great wall to serve their national interest. I thought that unity comes from equality, and I believed that equality, unity and harmony among ethnic groups would make China stronger and greater. Having seen that video, I am convinced that Chinese descended to evilness, and Chinese people don't care about their image in the interconnected world. And they want to stay forever selfish and cruel as third class world citizens by trading the greatness with their surging nationalism. What a expensive trade, and what a high price to pay?

It must be noted that nationalism is a double edge sword. I worry that it hurts all parties involved. immediately after Shao guan massacre, young Chinese vented their anger toward Uyghurs, and instigated other Chinese to wipe out Uyghurs from the face of earth. I am surprised that when and how they began to share Ahmadi Nijad's idiology that "wipe out those whom you don't like". Some Chinese netizens even recommended government carry out a holocaust against Uyghurs. Until this day, I did not know that Chinese internet police along with Chinese netizens share the same feeling and would openly adore Adolf Hitler. "China needs Adolf Hitler, slaughter these Uyghur pigs", some Chinese netizens commented. May Almighty forbid that one of these fanatics will become the President of China in the future. If that happens, the possibility that he will turn the world into ashes will increase..

The holocaust that happened in the last century was a stain and shame that humanity can't and should not erase easily. It must be remembered to forewarn the present and future generations who may like to taste the blood of others.

Reports came out since yesterday that Uyghur students were suppressed by the Chinese military and we don't know how many Uyghurs died in Urumqi as of now. We also saw that incompetent governor, Nur Bekri finally gave an explanation about Shao Guan Massacre. Although he twisted the facts, he was late. Wang le quan and Nur Bekri could have easily prevented Urumqi massacre by taking a just and humble approach. But they showed the true face of blood thirsty dictators. We don't know what is going on in Urumqi now. It was also reported that Chinese civilians and semi-military population in Bing Tuan were armed themselves, organized and began to attack innocent people as long as they are Uyghurs. I doubt that Chinese state television will show the Uyghur victims of Chinese attack to the visiting foreign press.
Yes, all this happened and happening now in Urumqi, the capital of an ethnic Autonomous Region that China's constitution granted.

I am very shocked to find out that the world is much disabled than I imagined. The images show that Chinese in Urumqi is carrying out ethnic cleansing with the protection of Chinese Army and the Police. The world is not seeing it and could not see it. But they saw it when it happened in Darfur, Even George Clooney saw it. Fareed Zakaria saw it when it happened to Tibetans. Bill Clinton saw it when it happened to Kosovar people. And the world spoke out on behalf of all of them.

But now? They are all deaf and blind.

Whom do we expect some kind of humantarian gesture, a kind of ethical response to this incident?

By biologically defined marks, Uyghurs were related to Turks. Did not we hear from them? yes, we did. We heard that Turkish Authorities entrusted Chinese justice System standing in line with Beijing. Abdulla Gul must have been well received in Zhong nan hai.
It is useless to mention the independent Turkic states in Central Asia. They have a history of harming Uyghurs at the request of Beijing, because they can get benefits from China. Our neighbor, Pakistan and its army also have the history of killing or extraditing Uyghurs per Beijing's demand. The former Pakistani dictator- president Musharrap (May god curse him forever) was the first head of a sovereign government that accused Uyghurs of terrorsim without evidence, just to please Jiang Ze min.

Yes, I emphasize that the majority of Uyghurs were muslims, therefore it is natural to observe other muslim countries' attitude toward Uyghurs.
Syria has expelled Axmatjan Osman, a famous uyghur poet whose wife is Syrian, because China asked her to do so.
Neither Saudi king nor other so-called protectors of Islam has uttered a word on Chinese persecution of Uyghur muslims. China and these muslim states lick each other's lips as they think they have a common enemy - The West and Democracy. That leaves Uyghurs with some China-wary democratic western countries and although small but beautiful, kind and couragous great states like Albania, Bermuda and Palau..

I believe Uyghurs who are good at businesses remember those transactions. Believe me we will give the due credit when time comes to those who helped us in times of great diffuclty and do the same to those who had done the worst to us.

Hello world, have you lost your senses? something horrible must be happening in Uyghur land now. Please speak up!! What you do for Uyghurs today, will be your doings for yourself in tomorrow!
Please ask the United Nations, The United States and The European Union send an independent, impartial delegation to Urumqi, and have them investigate this massacre!.
Where are you, Spanish Judge? Wang le quan is committing genocidal crime aganist Uyghurs.

Hello Texas, Can you ask George W. Bush, if he still remembers by his statement that the United States Government stands by oppressed people. As a former president , his words still carries some weight.

Finally America, and freedom loving American people, can you please tell President Obama that Uyghurs can't expect an audacious hope for their freedom from him, but only craving a tiny ray of hope for their basic human rights???

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15-07-09, 14:55
I'm glad you know the meaning of xinjiang. And I agree it's the homeland of many Chinese ethnic minorities like Uyghur, Kazakh, Kirgiz, Uzbek… And in reality, by legal definition, they are chinese. Also xinjiang is the homeland is the homeland of Han Chinese, as early as Han Dynasty, central government started to administer that piece of land. By the way, I know chinese government has been criticized by many about her human right records, man, can you imagine what it will be like if one day chinese government announces they don't recognize the citizenship of the minorities living in xinjiang? So you see, chinese government really can't afford to agree with you that those are not chinese.

"Tell your central government to issue the travel document to the peoples in the region. You will see the most of the Chinese will flood out there to the foreign country."
--- Here in this part you acknowledge those people in xinjiang are Chinese, man you need to get your logic straight.

As for the "travel document ", I'm curious, what's that, passport? Did those uyghur trainees in taliban/al qeata camps get that travel document? If yes, that proves uyghur chinese can get the document. If no, that proves uyghur chinese can leave the country without document. Either way, if they want to flood out, they can, but they didn't.

"They are living in East Turkistan. Don’t force those peoples to live in your Chinese dream."
--- seems like you don't know what's in reality and what's in some people's dream. So let me tell you, china and it's current border exists in reality. East turkistan, sorry I can't find it on the current world map. I'm living in the US, if I go to Barns & Nobel or Borders, will I find a current world map with east turkistan on it?


So called Xinjinag, in English “New territory” is homeland to all the Turks, Uyghur, Kazakh, Kirgiz, Uzbek… They are not Chinese, never will be. Those peoples are not living in China. They are living in East Turkistan. Don’t force those peoples to live in your Chinese dream.

Tell your central government to issue the travel document to the peoples in the region. You will see the most of the Chinese will flood out there to the foreign country. And once they get their foreign ID, they flush out their Chinese Passport along with their pee and poop down from toilet. Just like what you did.

You need to face to the reality, peoples in East Turkistan don’t want to be Chinese and don’t want to live as Chinese.

Unregistered
15-07-09, 22:44
I think minority in China have the right for self determination to become independent state. New nations emerging year by year. You might find a East Turkistan in the would map soon. Treat them better now so you could straight your future better.

Unregistered
16-07-09, 12:09
Chinese = Han
Uyghur = Turk

"New Territory" is new for you Chinese, not for us. That is the reality. Uyghur, Kazakh, Kirgiz and Uzbek in that area are Turk, they are not Chinese, they do not want to be Chinese or live as a Chinese. That is a fact!!!!

When a Han living in a foreign country, they were indentified as Chinese, Uyghurs were identified as Uyghur Turks, just like a Tibetan identified as Tibetan, not Chinese. That is the fact. Nobody wants to be labeled as Chinese, but you, since you are the Chinese, in your language Han, of cause, you because Chinese American, Chinese Malaysian, Chinese Singaporean.

If your central government issue passport (travel document) to all the Chinese (Han in your language) in the region, most of them will flood out of the region. And once they got their foreign passport, they flush their Chinese passport along with their pee and poop down from toilet as soon as they can. Just like what you did. That is the fact. Even the Chinese (= Han) don't want to live as a Chinese once they got chance to live as something else. You can't blame them, can you?

If one day chinese government announces they don't recognize the citizenship of the minorities living in xinjiang, that will be a big day all of us, the Turkic peoples in the region to celebrate. We can't wait to see that happen. It is been too long enough for those Turkic peoples in region suffer from Chinese.

It seems to me that you are so interested in Uyghur issue, Uyghur problems in East Turkistan. So why don't you open you mind and heart, act like human being with common sense, do some research. You will surprise that there are so many thing for you to learn before post anything here on behalf of Han=Chinese government.

This will be my last post if I don't see anything constructive and positive.





I'm glad you know the meaning of xinjiang. And I agree it's the homeland of many Chinese ethnic minorities like Uyghur, Kazakh, Kirgiz, Uzbek… And in reality, by legal definition, they are chinese. Also xinjiang is the homeland is the homeland of Han Chinese, as early as Han Dynasty, central government started to administer that piece of land. By the way, I know chinese government has been criticized by many about her human right records, man, can you imagine what it will be like if one day chinese government announces they don't recognize the citizenship of the minorities living in xinjiang? So you see, chinese government really can't afford to agree with you that those are not chinese.

"Tell your central government to issue the travel document to the peoples in the region. You will see the most of the Chinese will flood out there to the foreign country."
--- Here in this part you acknowledge those people in xinjiang are Chinese, man you need to get your logic straight.

As for the "travel document ", I'm curious, what's that, passport? Did those uyghur trainees in taliban/al qeata camps get that travel document? If yes, that proves uyghur chinese can get the document. If no, that proves uyghur chinese can leave the country without document. Either way, if they want to flood out, they can, but they didn't.

"They are living in East Turkistan. Don’t force those peoples to live in your Chinese dream."
--- seems like you don't know what's in reality and what's in some people's dream. So let me tell you, china and it's current border exists in reality. East turkistan, sorry I can't find it on the current world map. I'm living in the US, if I go to Barns & Nobel or Borders, will I find a current world map with east turkistan on it?

Unregistered
16-07-09, 12:16
Chinese = Han
Uyghur = Turk

"New Territory" is new for you Chinese, not for us. That is the reality. Uyghur, Kazakh, Kirgiz and Uzbek in that area are Turk, they are not Chinese, they do not want to be Chinese or live as a Chinese. That is a fact!!!!

When a Han living in a foreign country, they were indentified as Chinese, Uyghurs were identified as Uyghur Turks, just like a Tibetan identified as Tibetan, not Chinese. That is the fact. Nobody wants to be labeled as Chinese. Since you are the Chinese, in your language pronounced as Han, of cause, you became Chinese American, Chinese Malaysian, Chinese Singaporean, not Han American, Han Malaysian, or Han Singaporean.

If your central government issue passport (travel document) to all the Chinese (Han in your language) in the region, most of them will flood out of the region. And once they got their foreign passport, they flush their Chinese passport along with their pee and poop down from toilet as soon as they can. Just like what you did. That is the fact. Even the Chinese (= Han) don't want to live as a Chinese once they got chance to live as something else. You can't blame them, can you?

If one day chinese government announces they don't recognize the citizenship of the minorities living in xinjiang, that will be a big day all of us, the Turkic peoples in the region to celebrate. We can't wait to see that happen. It is been too long enough for those Turkic peoples in region suffer from Chinese.

It seems to me that you are so interested in Uyghur issue, Uyghur problems in East Turkistan. So why don't you open you mind and heart, act like human being with common sense, do some research. You will surprise that there are so many thing for you to learn before post anything here on behalf of Han=Chinese government.

This will be my last post if I don't see anything constructive and positive.







I'm glad you know the meaning of xinjiang. And I agree it's the homeland of many Chinese ethnic minorities like Uyghur, Kazakh, Kirgiz, Uzbek… And in reality, by legal definition, they are chinese. Also xinjiang is the homeland is the homeland of Han Chinese, as early as Han Dynasty, central government started to administer that piece of land. By the way, I know chinese government has been criticized by many about her human right records, man, can you imagine what it will be like if one day chinese government announces they don't recognize the citizenship of the minorities living in xinjiang? So you see, chinese government really can't afford to agree with you that those are not chinese.

"Tell your central government to issue the travel document to the peoples in the region. You will see the most of the Chinese will flood out there to the foreign country."
--- Here in this part you acknowledge those people in xinjiang are Chinese, man you need to get your logic straight.

As for the "travel document ", I'm curious, what's that, passport? Did those uyghur trainees in taliban/al qeata camps get that travel document? If yes, that proves uyghur chinese can get the document. If no, that proves uyghur chinese can leave the country without document. Either way, if they want to flood out, they can, but they didn't.

"They are living in East Turkistan. Don’t force those peoples to live in your Chinese dream."
--- seems like you don't know what's in reality and what's in some people's dream. So let me tell you, china and it's current border exists in reality. East turkistan, sorry I can't find it on the current world map. I'm living in the US, if I go to Barns & Nobel or Borders, will I find a current world map with east turkistan on it?

Unregistered
18-07-09, 23:00
1) Uyghurs are Uyghurs. East-Turkistan is East-Turkistan. East-Turkistan is the country of the Uyghurs.

2) Uyghurs love their country East-Turkistan, and they want to live in East-Turkistan in peace and free from Chinese intrusion.

Why should they emmigrate? To make space for China`s overpopulation and scarcity of resources?

3) I am a German citizen and a fully qualified legal person with experience with the German foreign service. I do recognize East-Turkistan.

Believe me, there are many nations that recognize East-Turkistan.

4) It is you who is living a dream that you wish to impose on the entire world.

I am reading Chinese press written in German, and it reads like Stalin or Nazi propaganda. I wonder whether China thinks that Germany was nuts to believe all those stories.

5) I am not forcing anyone. You are free to think that East-Turkistan was China. Here in the western world we enjoy the freedom to think whatever we want to think without getting punished for our thoughts.

Contrary to China, we enjoy a lot of liberty here. On Monday, for example, I will print a T-Shirt with the the words "I love" followed by the East-Turkistan flag. Maybe I will even print it in Chinese to make it easier understandable for Chinese tourists.

I can ensure you that Uyghurs have my full support.

6) Uyghurs, can you see what this guy is afraid of?

Unregistered
20-07-09, 16:26
Thanks for your reply. There have been several posts having angry signs, so I told couple of people to calm down. Next time you can click the 'Quote' button to reply to my post, just like what I'm doing here, so I know which one of my posts you refer to.

In my initial post I called Uyghurs as chinese uyghr citizens, or uyghur chinese; then many here start to argue with me, maybe including you. And they/you mentioned east turkistan, I said it's only in people's dreams, again many didn't like it. So I'll try to sum up the two sides here.

You guys use cultural and physiological means to educate me uyghurs are not chinese. I know what you are saying. I may or may not agree with you on that. But I was to using legal means when I called Uyghurs as uyghur chinese. Why? Because for those uyghurs living in china, most of them have chinese citizenship, they pay chinese tax, obey chinese laws. For me anyone with chinese citizenship is a chinese(legal definition), no matter what ethnic group he/she belongs to. So I think we don't need to argue on this any more, you guys continue to use your cultural and physiological definition, and let me continue to use the legal definition, how about that?

Another issue is whether east turkistan IS( is, not 'was' or 'will be') in reality, or in some people's dream. I have to say anyone thinks it's in reality is trying to redefine the english word 'reality'. I know ET is in your mind, your soul, your heart, your wish, your dream, alright it's every where, but unfortunately it's not yet in reality.

>3) I am a German citizen and a fully qualified legal person with experience with the German >foreign service. I do recognize East-Turkistan.
>Believe me, there are many nations that recognize East-Turkistan.
--- I like this one, at least the 'east turkistan citizens' here didn't come up with something this amusing. So you recognize East-Turkistan, so what, does the country you fully qualified to serve also recognize it? There are many nations recognize ET, can you name some and show me the prove that they recognize it? Don't tell me you have a friend who's in the foreign service of that country and recognize ET and that makes the country recognize ET.


1) Uyghurs are Uyghurs. East-Turkistan is East-Turkistan. East-Turkistan is the country of the Uyghurs.

2) Uyghurs love their country East-Turkistan, and they want to live in East-Turkistan in peace and free from Chinese intrusion.

Why should they emmigrate? To make space for China`s overpopulation and scarcity of resources?

3) I am a German citizen and a fully qualified legal person with experience with the German foreign service. I do recognize East-Turkistan.

Believe me, there are many nations that recognize East-Turkistan.

4) It is you who is living a dream that you wish to impose on the entire world.

I am reading Chinese press written in German, and it reads like Stalin or Nazi propaganda. I wonder whether China thinks that Germany was nuts to believe all those stories.

5) I am not forcing anyone. You are free to think that East-Turkistan was China. Here in the western world we enjoy the freedom to think whatever we want to think without getting punished for our thoughts.

Contrary to China, we enjoy a lot of liberty here. On Monday, for example, I will print a T-Shirt with the the words "I love" followed by the East-Turkistan flag. Maybe I will even print it in Chinese to make it easier understandable for Chinese tourists.

I can ensure you that Uyghurs have my full support.

6) Uyghurs, can you see what this guy is afraid of?

Unregistered
21-07-09, 12:01
Dear Chinese,

there are so many things I would like to tell you. But I do not have the time, and I hope you will find out yourself. Just a few more things on what you wrote:

1) "legal means". Legal means and definitions, my dear friend, are nothing but a brainwash based on a language, namely the langugae of a people that makes those laws for its own benefit.

China, I read today, for example, wants to increase its "legal means" to fight "seperatists" more efficiently. Why don`t they just substitute the term "seperatists" with "Uyghurs"?

"Seperatists" according to China are all those who do not rise their hand for the Chinese Hitler salutation to cry out "Red China, oh, all we communist brothers are the same, equal and we want nothing but to work for our great China..."

Now, you have people in East-Turkistan, namely the Uyghurs, who are not Chinese. They are Turkish and have been living in their country East-Turkistan for thousands of years.

They do not want to be Chinese. They want to remain who they have always been. And they do not want to be invaded and overrun by Chinese and Chinese "legal means", especially as Chinese "legal means" are of disadvantage for Uyghurs.

I do not understand why this is so difficult to understand for you.

2) There are different people in this world, different languages, different systems. And all these people want to be left in peace and not uncomfortably distured or imposed the language and values of other societies. If interaction shall take place then this needs to be on a mutual basis. It is like with sex, you know.

3) "Chinese passports and tax payments". The Uyghurs do not want to pay Chinese tax payments. They prefer to have East-Turkistan passports and to arrange their culture and society according to their own values. They do not want to be forced to work and to pay tax for a system that is not theirs.

4) "Reality". You are living in a communiste Chinese reality, because that is the reality that was taught to you and the reality you grew up with.

Anyone who is not Chinese grew up in another reality. None of the people outside China has your reality.

China has never told you the full story. China has only taught you how to contribute your efforts to the Chinese state, namely, "in reality", to the rich people at the top of your society.

You soon will even not be able to watch Garfield cartoons, I have read today. Garfield is a cute and fat cat cartoon figure. That much China cuts its citizens off.

Your reality is a different one from mine. The music I listen to, the books I read, the way I focus my mind on things... everything I do different from you, cause I grew up in other societies, and because finally, though difficult to understand for someone who grew up in a communist regime, we are all individuals.

To change your reality I recommend to you learning Uyghurce and understand Uyghur people. I think this would help you to escape your Chinese reality, and it would be of use to be better prepared for living in a world that consists of hundreds of different cultures.

5) "Amusing". Glad you find me amusing. You are welcome. Hope you`ll encounter many more people that will amuse you.





Thanks for your reply. There have been several posts having angry signs, so I told couple of people to calm down. Next time you can click the 'Quote' button to reply to my post, just like what I'm doing here, so I know which one of my posts you refer to.

In my initial post I called Uyghurs as chinese uyghr citizens, or uyghur chinese; then many here start to argue with me, maybe including you. And they/you mentioned east turkistan, I said it's only in people's dreams, again many didn't like it. So I'll try to sum up the two sides here.

You guys use cultural and physiological means to educate me uyghurs are not chinese. I know what you are saying. I may or may not agree with you on that. But I was to using legal means when I called Uyghurs as uyghur chinese. Why? Because for those uyghurs living in china, most of them have chinese citizenship, they pay chinese tax, obey chinese laws. For me anyone with chinese citizenship is a chinese(legal definition), no matter what ethnic group he/she belongs to. So I think we don't need to argue on this any more, you guys continue to use your cultural and physiological definition, and let me continue to use the legal definition, how about that?

Another issue is whether east turkistan IS( is, not 'was' or 'will be') in reality, or in some people's dream. I have to say anyone thinks it's in reality is trying to redefine the english word 'reality'. I know ET is in your mind, your soul, your heart, your wish, your dream, alright it's every where, but unfortunately it's not yet in reality.

>3) I am a German citizen and a fully qualified legal person with experience with the German >foreign service. I do recognize East-Turkistan.
>Believe me, there are many nations that recognize East-Turkistan.
--- I like this one, at least the 'east turkistan citizens' here didn't come up with something this amusing. So you recognize East-Turkistan, so what, does the country you fully qualified to serve also recognize it? There are many nations recognize ET, can you name some and show me the prove that they recognize it? Don't tell me you have a friend who's in the foreign service of that country and recognize ET and that makes the country recognize ET.

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Unregistered
01-07-11, 19:33
In that day, if there is a free media and if Uyghur gained support as the same level as other jesmin countries, If communication were not able to cutoff, If all Uyghur were able to stand together, if there was a Uyghur army as well to protact people, today would have a different feeling.

Unregistered
03-07-11, 11:40
Has been about 2 years since the 7/5 riot. Wish all the people who lost their lives on 7/5 rest in peace. Wish who were injured/hurt on 75 good luck

That being said, something has not changed is, most of those who died on 7/5 are Han Chinese. Uyghur people had 2 years to come up with video/picture evidence about their accuse of 800 or more Uyghurs were killed on 75, but we didn't see such hard evidence. On the contrary, several videos came out on youtube, about many of those Han Chinese being beaten, killed.

May 75 never happen again. No matter what you want, pursue it through peaceful means please. Violence is not good for a political movement, in the end it will harm Uyghurs more than Hans.

As a Chinese I wrote most of the posts on Han Chinese side in this thread, arguing with others about the facts. I still think those facts are right, but my language might bring bad feelings to others, for that I apologize with my heart to those who feels offended by my words.

Again, may 75 never happen again.


In that day, if there is a free media and if Uyghur gained support as the same level as other jesmin countries, If communication were not able to cutoff, If all Uyghur were able to stand together, if there was a Uyghur army as well to protact people, today would have a different feeling.

Unregistered
03-07-11, 12:56
How do you know most of the victims were Chinese? If we could not come up with evidence in two years it is because East Turkistan is still under Chinese control. Government cut off the communication to outside world for 10 months to make sure that evidences would not get out of the border before it gets its hand on them. It mobilized tens of thousands of police and regular soldiers to kill, arrest, and intimidate the Uyghur witnesses to the incident. Uyghurs still live in terror, they do not have the means to document the evidences. It means life and death to them. My problem with the Chinese people like yourself is that you can sometimes blame the Chinese government when it comes to Chinese movements such as Jun 4th or Chinese dissidents such as Ai Wenwei, but when it involves Uyghurs and Tibetans it is always our fault and your government as innocent and harmless as a white swan. That is the result of 5 decades of brain-washing with government propaganda in which the Chinese are always depicted as victims of outside peoples, fostering a strong sense of "Us Chinese vs the others". We are the others that you people have easy access to and been using for the past 5 decades to heal your wounded national pride. Trampling on the non-Chinese peoples such as Tibetans, Mongols and Uyghurs boosts your low self-esteem. Chinese has many sayings, but "pick some one your own size" is not one of them. Chinese people have many virtues, but honesty is not one of them---a fact that we have known for a painfully long time but the world has only just begun to catch up with. Only a self-confident, mature person might be able to handle the truth. But, people grew up in China is not much different from the dictators in Beijing. All they do is sweet talking with substance and honesty.

Unregistered
03-07-11, 19:09
I knew some Uyghurs will use Chinese government control as the excuse for the lack of evidence. But you guys can get 20 riot suspects out to Cambodia, those are 20 living human beings. If there is such evidence, why can't you get those CDs, flash drives out of China?

"How do you know most of the victims were Chinese? " -- Unlike the lack of hard evidence from Uyghur side, I saw many pictures of Han Chinese victims. More importantly, many youtube video clips of Uyghur mobs attacking Han civilians. Even Uyghur women participated the attack, in videos you clearly see their scarves. And the government is trying hard to prevent those videos from coming out. The videos damage the story government is telling: most ordinary Uyghurs behaved peacefully and helped Han victims. I don't believe everything the government says, but the videos are convincing.

"Uyghurs still live in terror, they do not have the means to document the evidences." -- they do have the means, they've been taking cell phone video clips about the first part of street demo on 75. I saw the video on youtube. If police suddenly open massive fire on them, the massive shooting scene will be recorded in those videos. Again, that street demo video is not allowed by government, yet you guys can get it out, so why not those massive killing videos?

"but when it involves Uyghurs and Tibetans it is always our fault and your government as innocent and harmless as a white swan" -- that's because you guys used violence on Han Chinese civilians. If you protested peacefully and didn't kill/harm any Han civilians, we won't blame you. Although we might still not agree with your claim. So like I said, please do your stuff peacefully, it's good for everyone.

You are a rational Uyghur talking without dirty language, without '!' everywhere in sentence, so I'll honestly tell you the truth. The root difference between us is, we don't agree with the kind of autonomy you talk about. We regard every inch of the country as the property of all citizens of China. We know you guys living there for about 1000 years, but once the country is established, most of us think that everyone has equal rights on any part of China. We agree you guys might have some special rights in Xinjiang, that's the 'fake' autonomy you have now. The real autonomy you talk about is too much, it'll lead to independence. You can not break Xinjiang away from us, we are equal owners like you guys. CCP is nice enough to call Xinjiang an autonomous region, while before CCP, in ROC it was Xinjiang province. I understand you probably don't agree with us, that's fine, but again, please pursue your political goals peacefully.

"We are the others that you access ...... to heal your wounded national pride" -- No, our national pride comes from things like Korean war, nuclear weapons, UN security council permanent seat, 2nd largest economy of world and still fast growing.

"Chinese people have many virtues, but honesty is not one of them" -- You live in a real world. Politics is dirty, no one is completely honest. I don't see Chinese honesty significantly worse than other major powers in the world. If you talk about Chinese mislead you on autonomy, I personally will apologize for that and please understand it's the immature act of CCP in the early days of PRC. If they kept the xinjiang province like ROC, there won't be many misunderstandings. So please don't take the autonomy thing from government too seriously.

I don't see Uyghurs and us share many political views, that's fine, but I hope we do our stuffs all peacefully, like your WUC is trying to claim.

Wish all Uyghur people good luck and all the best!


How do you know most of the victims were Chinese? If we could not come up with evidence in two years it is because East Turkistan is still under Chinese control. Government cut off the communication to outside world for 10 months to make sure that evidences would not get out of the border before it gets its hand on them. It mobilized tens of thousands of police and regular soldiers to kill, arrest, and intimidate the Uyghur witnesses to the incident. Uyghurs still live in terror, they do not have the means to document the evidences. It means life and death to them. My problem with the Chinese people like yourself is that you can sometimes blame the Chinese government when it comes to Chinese movements such as Jun 4th or Chinese dissidents such as Ai Wenwei, but when it involves Uyghurs and Tibetans it is always our fault and your government as innocent and harmless as a white swan. That is the result of 5 decades of brain-washing with government propaganda in which the Chinese are always depicted as victims of outside peoples, fostering a strong sense of "Us Chinese vs the others". We are the others that you people have easy access to and been using for the past 5 decades to heal your wounded national pride. Trampling on the non-Chinese peoples such as Tibetans, Mongols and Uyghurs boosts your low self-esteem. Chinese has many sayings, but "pick some one your own size" is not one of them. Chinese people have many virtues, but honesty is not one of them---a fact that we have known for a painfully long time but the world has only just begun to catch up with. Only a self-confident, mature person might be able to handle the truth. But, people grew up in China is not much different from the dictators in Beijing. All they do is sweet talking with substance and honesty.

Unregistered
03-07-11, 22:45
I knew some Uyghurs will use Chinese government control as the excuse for the lack of evidence. But you guys can get 20 riot suspects out to Cambodia, those are 20 living human beings. If there is such evidence, why can't you get those CDs, flash drives out of China?

"How do you know most of the victims were Chinese? " -- Unlike the lack of hard evidence from Uyghur side, I saw many pictures of Han Chinese victims. More importantly, many youtube video clips of Uyghur mobs attacking Han civilians. Even Uyghur women participated the attack, in videos you clearly see their scarves. And the government is trying hard to prevent those videos from coming out. The videos damage the story government is telling: most ordinary Uyghurs behaved peacefully and helped Han victims. I don't believe everything the government says, but the videos are convincing.

"Uyghurs still live in terror, they do not have the means to document the evidences." -- they do have the means, they've been taking cell phone video clips about the first part of street demo on 75. I saw the video on youtube. If police suddenly open massive fire on them, the massive shooting scene will be recorded in those videos. Again, that street demo video is not allowed by government, yet you guys can get it out, so why not those massive killing videos?

"but when it involves Uyghurs and Tibetans it is always our fault and your government as innocent and harmless as a white swan" -- that's because you guys used violence on Han Chinese civilians. If you protested peacefully and didn't kill/harm any Han civilians, we won't blame you. Although we might still not agree with your claim. So like I said, please do your stuff peacefully, it's good for everyone.

You are a rational Uyghur talking without dirty language, without '!' everywhere in sentence, so I'll honestly tell you the truth. The root difference between us is, we don't agree with the kind of autonomy you talk about. We regard every inch of the country as the property of all citizens of China. We know you guys living there for about 1000 years, but once the country is established, most of us think that everyone has equal rights on any part of China. We agree you guys might have some special rights in Xinjiang, that's the 'fake' autonomy you have now. The real autonomy you talk about is too much, it'll lead to independence. You can not break Xinjiang away from us, we are equal owners like you guys. CCP is nice enough to call Xinjiang an autonomous region, while before CCP, in ROC it was Xinjiang province. I understand you probably don't agree with us, that's fine, but again, please pursue your political goals peacefully.

"We are the others that you access ...... to heal your wounded national pride" -- No, our national pride comes from things like Korean war, nuclear weapons, UN security council permanent seat, 2nd largest economy of world and still fast growing.

"Chinese people have many virtues, but honesty is not one of them" -- You live in a real world. Politics is dirty, no one is completely honest. I don't see Chinese honesty significantly worse than other major powers in the world. If you talk about Chinese mislead you on autonomy, I personally will apologize for that and please understand it's the immature act of CCP in the early days of PRC. If they kept the xinjiang province like ROC, there won't be many misunderstandings. So please don't take the autonomy thing from government too seriously.
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I don't see Uyghurs and us share many political views, that's fine, but I hope we do our stuffs all peacefully, like your WUC is trying to claim.

Wish all Uyghur people good luck and all the best!

Yes, I saw couple video clips, the Uygur men desperately attacking Han Chinese. According to those video clips, the ordinary Uyghur men become extraordinary violent men at the scene of the July fifth incident, 2009. I dont think they wished to be national heroes.
So, the real questions are;
Why do those ordinary Uyghur men become such extraordinary violent men?
Dont they ever want to live little longer?
You can also ask many more questions like that

Unregistered
03-07-11, 23:27
I knew some Uyghurs will use Chinese government control as the excuse for the lack of evidence. But you guys can get 20 riot suspects out to Cambodia, those are 20 living human beings. If there is such evidence, why can't you get those CDs, flash drives out of China?

"How do you know most of the victims were Chinese? " -- Unlike the lack of hard evidence from Uyghur side, I saw many pictures of Han Chinese victims. More importantly, many youtube video clips of Uyghur mobs attacking Han civilians. Even Uyghur women participated the attack, in videos you clearly see their scarves. And the government is trying hard to prevent those videos from coming out. The videos damage the story government is telling: most ordinary Uyghurs behaved peacefully and helped Han victims. I don't believe everything the government says, but the videos are convincing.

"Uyghurs still live in terror, they do not have the means to document the evidences." -- they do have the means, they've been taking cell phone video clips about the first part of street demo on 75. I saw the video on youtube. If police suddenly open massive fire on them, the massive shooting scene will be recorded in those videos. Again, that street demo video is not allowed by government, yet you guys can get it out, so why not those massive killing videos?

"but when it involves Uyghurs and Tibetans it is always our fault and your government as innocent and harmless as a white swan" -- that's because you guys used violence on Han Chinese civilians. If you protested peacefully and didn't kill/harm any Han civilians, we won't blame you. Although we might still not agree with your claim. So like I said, please do your stuff peacefully, it's good for everyone.

You are a rational Uyghur talking without dirty language, without '!' everywhere in sentence, so I'll honestly tell you the truth. The root difference between us is, we don't agree with the kind of autonomy you talk about. We regard every inch of the country as the property of all citizens of China. We know you guys living there for about 1000 years, but once the country is established, most of us think that everyone has equal rights on any part of China. We agree you guys might have some special rights in Xinjiang, that's the 'fake' autonomy you have now. The real autonomy you talk about is too much, it'll lead to independence. You can not break Xinjiang away from us, we are equal owners like you guys. CCP is nice enough to call Xinjiang an autonomous region, while before CCP, in ROC it was Xinjiang province. I understand you probably don't agree with us, that's fine, but again, please pursue your political goals peacefully.

"We are the others that you access ...... to heal your wounded national pride" -- No, our national pride comes from things like Korean war, nuclear weapons, UN security council permanent seat, 2nd largest economy of world and still fast growing.

"Chinese people have many virtues, but honesty is not one of them" -- You live in a real world. Politics is dirty, no one is completely honest. I don't see Chinese honesty significantly worse than other major powers in the world. If you talk about Chinese mislead you on autonomy, I personally will apologize for that and please understand it's the immature act of CCP in the early days of PRC. If they kept the xinjiang province like ROC, there won't be many misunderstandings. So please don't take the autonomy thing from government too seriously.

I don't see Uyghurs and us share many political views, that's fine, but I hope we do our stuffs all peacefully, like your WUC is trying to claim.

Wish all Uyghur people good luck and all the best!

Even if chinese are the best peoples in this world and better than American and Europeans, I believe Uyghur still want their own country. Independence is a goal in many Uyghur and Tibetans heart even it is not achievable right away. If 6.4 chinese people themself got massacred in Tiananmen square, how come chinese army become so mercy on Uyghur who that some chinese above claimed violently aginst chinese people? I have seen many violent videos, TV and pictures by chinese government and nice citizens to demonstarte that students and chinese citizens were violently killing innocent polices in 6.4 tiananmen event in chinese TV every day for about a year. How you gonna commen on that, sweetie?
Why ccp sent so many chinese army to East Turkistan, for a show?
I was one among the chinese student in 6.4 demonstration, I had taken many pictures during demonstrations, however, those pictures was forced handed in after. I believe Uyghur people might have pictures and videos, so many chinese army broke into people's hourses maybe not just for searching someone but maybe searching for something(tapes, videos, pictures) as well.
I agree with that Uyghur brother's writting and not so happy with that chinese guy who claimed chinese national proud is established on violence and killing. A dirty minded typical ccp pride.

Unregistered
04-07-11, 00:45
Yeah, when live bullets flying around your ass, it would be a piece of cake to take videos with your cellphone.
Evem if you did, it would be extraodinarily smart to keep them while knowing that it would put your life on the line. You saw what the government wanted you to see.


I knew some Uyghurs will use Chinese government control as the excuse for the lack of evidence. But you guys can get 20 riot suspects out to Cambodia, those are 20 living human beings. If there is such evidence, why can't you get those CDs, flash drives out of China?

"How do you know most of the victims were Chinese? " -- Unlike the lack of hard evidence from Uyghur side, I saw many pictures of Han Chinese victims. More importantly, many youtube video clips of Uyghur mobs attacking Han civilians. Even Uyghur women participated the attack, in videos you clearly see their scarves. And the government is trying hard to prevent those videos from coming out. The videos damage the story government is telling: most ordinary Uyghurs behaved peacefully and helped Han victims. I don't believe everything the government says, but the videos are convincing.

"Uyghurs still live in terror, they do not have the means to document the evidences." -- they do have the means, they've been taking cell phone video clips about the first part of street demo on 75. I saw the video on youtube. If police suddenly open massive fire on them, the massive shooting scene will be recorded in those videos. Again, that street demo video is not allowed by government, yet you guys can get it out, so why not those massive killing videos?

"but when it involves Uyghurs and Tibetans it is always our fault and your government as innocent and harmless as a white swan" -- that's because you guys used violence on Han Chinese civilians. If you protested peacefully and didn't kill/harm any Han civilians, we won't blame you. Although we might still not agree with your claim. So like I said, please do your stuff peacefully, it's good for everyone.

You are a rational Uyghur talking without dirty language, without '!' everywhere in sentence, so I'll honestly tell you the truth. The root difference between us is, we don't agree with the kind of autonomy you talk about. We regard every inch of the country as the property of all citizens of China. We know you guys living there for about 1000 years, but once the country is established, most of us think that everyone has equal rights on any part of China. We agree you guys might have some special rights in Xinjiang, that's the 'fake' autonomy you have now. The real autonomy you talk about is too much, it'll lead to independence. You can not break Xinjiang away from us, we are equal owners like you guys. CCP is nice enough to call Xinjiang an autonomous region, while before CCP, in ROC it was Xinjiang province. I understand you probably don't agree with us, that's fine, but again, please pursue your political goals peacefully.

"We are the others that you access ...... to heal your wounded national pride" -- No, our national pride comes from things like Korean war, nuclear weapons, UN security council permanent seat, 2nd largest economy of world and still fast growing.

"Chinese people have many virtues, but honesty is not one of them" -- You live in a real world. Politics is dirty, no one is completely honest. I don't see Chinese honesty significantly worse than other major powers in the world. If you talk about Chinese mislead you on autonomy, I personally will apologize for that and please understand it's the immature act of CCP in the early days of PRC. If they kept the xinjiang province like ROC, there won't be many misunderstandings. So please don't take the autonomy thing from government too seriously.

I don't see Uyghurs and us share many political views, that's fine, but I hope we do our stuffs all peacefully, like your WUC is trying to claim.

Wish all Uyghur people good luck and all the best!

Unregistered
04-07-11, 00:52
Solute to you, our 64 hero.

"how come chinese army become so mercy on Uyghur " --- From 64 to 75, 20 years passed, things changed. But the most important thing is, you guys in 64 was a serious threat to CCP, it power, remember that? While mobs of 75 threat only Han civilian lives, not CCP's power. Sorry to say that, but you know which one of these 2 are more important to CCP, right? I only hope CCP will protect people better in future, good thing is that seems to be the trend.

"How you gonna commen on that, sweetie?" --- 64 was a big tragedy for our nation. It's natural that some mobs(may not be students) killed some innocent polices, too bad government only show those, not showing innocent students being killed. But, you do see the difference of killing polices, and on 75, killing civilians, right? Killing police on duty can be called rebelling sometimes, killing civilians is a pure crime, sometimes act of terrorism.

"Why ccp sent so many chinese army to East Turkistan, for a show?" --- It takes that many troops to protect both Han and Uyghur people. CCP didn't do this job well in the beginning. Also, you may call it a show, a show to intimidate potential mobs from killing more.

You 64 pictures were confiscated about 20 years ago, even so, we can still see many 64 pics that CCP is not happy with. The advanced technology now makes it impossible for CCP to take away all the evidence. Those videos on youtube about Han Chinese being killed are now allowed by CCP either. Those peaceful street demo videos on 75 were also not allowed by CCP, yet Uyghurs can get them out of China.

Our national pride comes from our ability to protect ourselves, our economical growth, not killing others. You are free to think killing is the source of Chinese national pride, China has so many people, we'll always have different views here and there.

May peace be upon all people.



Even if chinese are the best peoples in this world and better than American and Europeans, I believe Uyghur still want their own country. Independence is a goal in many Uyghur and Tibetans heart even it is not achievable right away. If 6.4 chinese people themself got massacred in Tiananmen square, how come chinese army become so mercy on Uyghur who that some chinese above claimed violently aginst chinese people? I have seen many violent videos, TV and pictures by chinese government and nice citizens to demonstarte that students and chinese citizens were violently killing innocent polices in 6.4 tiananmen event in chinese TV every day for about a year. How you gonna commen on that, sweetie?
Why ccp sent so many chinese army to East Turkistan, for a show?
I was one among the chinese student in 6.4 demonstration, I had taken many pictures during demonstrations, however, those pictures was forced handed in after. I believe Uyghur people might have pictures and videos, so many chinese army broke into people's hourses maybe not just for searching someone but maybe searching for something(tapes, videos, pictures) as well.
I agree with that Uyghur brother's writting and not so happy with that chinese guy who claimed chinese national proud is established on violence and killing. A dirty minded typical ccp pride.

Unregistered
04-07-11, 01:24
Yes, but before the bullets flying around, there were people taking videos, I've seen these videos on youtube. So if the soldiers suddenly fire their machine guns, like the WUC accused, the shooting scene will be recorded.

Actually you go to youtube, you'll see many videos taken when bullets flying around, like those Israeli Palestinian conflicts, color revolutions in countries like Kyrgyzstan, or recent jasmine revolutions in different countries.


Yeah, when live bullets flying around your ass, it would be a piece of cake to take videos with your cellphone.
Evem if you did, it would be extraodinarily smart to keep them while knowing that it would put your life on the line. You saw what the government wanted you to see.

Unregistered
04-07-11, 09:20
None of the countries mentioned here has the capability of China. They deployed an ocean of soldiers to flood out the whole Uyghur section of the city, searching house by house, arresting thusands by their own admission and tallying the body counts in just a few hours. No one but China has that capability. If any videos were taken, most of them must have gone with whoever took them forever. Tens of thousands were arrested and thousands disappeared. These dirty secrets will come to light some day. Be a little patient.


Yes, but before the bullets flying around, there were people taking videos, I've seen these videos on youtube. So if the soldiers suddenly fire their machine guns, like the WUC accused, the shooting scene will be recorded.

Actually you go to youtube, you'll see many videos taken when bullets flying around, like those Israeli Palestinian conflicts, color revolutions in countries like Kyrgyzstan, or recent jasmine revolutions in different countries.

Unregistered
04-07-11, 11:04
I'm happy to see, after reading my post, you don't insist that videos can't be taken when bullets fly around, like the previous guy insisted. Great. Now you say such videos will be taken away by Chinese soldiers. The question is still the same, Uyghurs can hide 20 of those 7/5 riot suspects from the massive Chinese arrest, and smuggle them out to Cambodia, why can't they do the same with those videos? The most reasonable explanation is there's no such video. Also like I said, there's 7/5 street demo video on youtube, it's not allowed by government, yet you guys can get it out, so why not those massive killing videos?

I'm very patient, if in future videos show up about soldiers open massive fire on cooperating civilians, I will start condemning the government. But before that, I won't just believe Uyghur's claim without any hard evidence.

Otherwise you can say on 75 China killed 10 million Uyghurs and when I ask for the evidence, you can say all evidence is destroyed by the government.

"Tens of thousands were arrested and thousands disappeared." --- I believe the arrest part. Because I've seen videos of Chinese police doing house by house searching after 75. See, I'm ready to be convinced if there's good evidence. Considering the fact that so many mobsters participated in the killing and attacking, these arrests are kind of necessary to bring justice to those criminals. But if the government makes them disappear, that's wrong, I think they should be trialed openly. But again, these disappearance needs to be backed by evidence.

I hope no one get harmed in those massive arrest, but in such a massive operation it's almost impossible. That's why I always plea to all people, please pursue your political goals peacefully, otherwise your own people might get hurt. Wish all people good luck and all the best, even those who committed crime on 75.


None of the countries mentioned here has the capability of China. They deployed an ocean of soldiers to flood out the whole Uyghur section of the city, searching house by house, arresting thusands by their own admission and tallying the body counts in just a few hours. No one but China has that capability. If any videos were taken, most of them must have gone with whoever took them forever. Tens of thousands were arrested and thousands disappeared. These dirty secrets will come to light some day. Be a little patient.

Unregistered
04-07-11, 12:13
I begin to believe the Ging giz han to be alive until today. Because nobody knows hard core evidence that where the Gig giz hans corpse is actually buried except guessing around the possible locations. Go by now!

Unregistered
04-07-11, 12:19
The evidence is enough, because I saw picture of bullet hole on a window nearby the site of demonstartion on 7.5. That tell us everything that chinese army did shoot on peaceful uyghur demonstrators. I believe violence is understandable consequence because of that, in addition to many years of violent abuse and repress Uyghur people's bodies and human rights. I do not deny violence did occured, however who is accountable for those violence need more thought.
I am so surprised to see one guy clamied has a nation pride because of atom bomb and wars etc., who come here for a peace? I feel like seeing an evil trying to cover with an angel's cloth. There is no evidence needed to defence Uyghur people's rights and I believe 7.5 massacre is not so simple. We heard machine guns shooting, I believe no one dare to took those pictures when so many armed soilders around, or those picture taker may have died already. people were running for life. The good thing is someone did offered picture of bullet hole. Blackout of the city, cut off electricity and massive arresting in the whole East turkistan for a peroid of 6 months or longer has already demonstrated everything.



I'm happy to see, after reading my post, you don't insist that videos can't be taken when bullets fly around, like the previous guy insisted. Great. Now you say such videos will be taken away by Chinese soldiers. The question is still the same, Uyghurs can hide 20 of those 7/5 riot suspects from the massive Chinese arrest, and smuggle them out to Cambodia, why can't they do the same with those videos? The most reasonable explanation is there's no such video. Also like I said, there's 7/5 street demo video on youtube, it's not allowed by government, yet you guys can get it out, so why not those massive killing videos?

I'm very patient, if in future videos show up about soldiers open massive fire on cooperating civilians, I will start condemning the government. But before that, I won't just believe Uyghur's claim without any hard evidence.

Otherwise you can say on 75 China killed 10 million Uyghurs and when I ask for the evidence, you can say all evidence is destroyed by the government.

"Tens of thousands were arrested and thousands disappeared." --- I believe the arrest part. Because I've seen videos of Chinese police doing house by house searching after 75. See, I'm ready to be convinced if there's good evidence. Considering the fact that so many mobsters participated in the killing and attacking, these arrests are kind of necessary to bring justice to those criminals. But if the government makes them disappear, that's wrong, I think they should be trialed openly. But again, these disappearance needs to be backed by evidence.

I hope no one get harmed in those massive arrest, but in such a massive operation it's almost impossible. That's why I always plea to all people, please pursue your political goals peacefully, otherwise your own people might get hurt. Wish all people good luck and all the best, even those who committed crime on 75.

Unregistered
04-07-11, 12:43
Immediate after 7.5 incidents, every five or ten kilometer distances the check ports they were established everywhere in xin jiang, they have searched peoples pocket including naked them off for six month long or longer. Now I got the point how smart the government was.

Unregistered
04-07-11, 14:12
Immediate after 7.5 incidents, every five or ten kilometer distances the check ports they were established everywhere in xin jiang, they have searched peoples pocket including naked them off for six month long or longer. Now I got the point how smart the government was.

Chinese is smart in this, because they have 5000 years histry of training on how to abuse people and confisticate evidences. OR, in chinese called 'sha ren mie kou'. Translate to English is 'Kill without lefting an evidence or truth telling mouth'.
Massive setting checking ports, arresting or searching mostly is for confiscate possible evidences and mouths that against Chinese government, the evidences that may be good for them will be ok to release or let go. Once people has been arrested into jail, they become criminals or have criminal history, and being discriminated, and their words become nothing.
People who running for life the chance to keep evidences that will kill them is almost zero, like those 20 uyghurs who fled to neighbor country with the help of christain organization. It is a common sense, sweatie.

Unregistered
04-07-11, 14:18
The evidence is not enough. I saw that picture too. Like the government admits, there were about 10 rioting mobs shot dead at their crime scene by police on 75. May be that pic was one of those shootings. More evidence is needed to clear things up.

Violence against innocent by-passers are not understandable. That's a very important principle. You have problems with the government, solve them with the government. If you think you want to use violence (a bad idea which will harm yourself), limit it between you and the government. Any killing/attacking against innocent by-passers should be condemned, no matter what the excuses are.

Of course I feel sorry for those lives lost in Korean war. But Chinese nuclear weapons and the Korean war did protect our nation. Those are for self defense purposes. We didn't start the war or use nuclear weapons to attack other nations. So they don't conflict with peace, they won us peace for many years.

As for no one can take pictures when bullets flying, or videos being confiscated by police, like I said earlier, before the bullets flying, there were people taking videos, I've seen these videos on youtube. So if the soldiers suddenly fire their machine guns on cooperating unarmed protesters, like the WUC accused, the shooting scene will be recorded. Uyghurs can hide 20 of those 7/5 riot suspects from the massive arrest, and smuggle them out to Cambodia, why can't they do the same with those videos? The most reasonable explanation is there's no such video. Also like I said, there's 7/5 street demo video on youtube, it's not allowed by government, yet you guys can get it out, so why not those massive killing videos? Please think about this and answer these 2 questions directly if you want to reply to my post. If you reply but don't answer them directly, I'll have to assume you agree with my conclusion that such massive killing didn't happen on 75.

Again, may peace be upon all.


The evidence is enough, because I saw picture of bullet hole on a window nearby the site of demonstartion on 7.5. That tell us everything that chinese army did shoot on peaceful uyghur demonstrators. I believe violence is understandable consequence because of that, in addition to many years of violent abuse and repress Uyghur people's bodies and human rights. I do not deny violence did occured, however who is accountable for those violence need more thought.
I am so surprised to see one guy clamied has a nation pride because of atom bomb and wars etc., who come here for a peace? I feel like seeing an evil trying to cover with an angel's cloth. There is no evidence needed to defence Uyghur people's rights and I believe 7.5 massacre is not so simple. We heard machine guns shooting, I believe no one dare to took those pictures when so many armed soilders around, or those picture taker may have died already. people were running for life. The good thing is someone did offered picture of bullet hole. Blackout of the city, cut off electricity and massive arresting in the whole East turkistan for a peroid of 6 months or longer has already demonstrated everything.

Unregistered
04-07-11, 18:12
The evidence is not enough. I saw that picture too. Like the government admits, there were about 10 rioting mobs shot dead at their crime scene by police on 75. May be that pic was one of those shootings. More evidence is needed to clear things up.

Violence against innocent by-passers are not understandable. That's a very important principle. You have problems with the government, solve them with the government. If you think you want to use violence (a bad idea which will harm yourself), limit it between you and the government. Any killing/attacking against innocent by-passers should be condemned, no matter what the excuses are.

Of course I feel sorry for those lives lost in Korean war. But Chinese nuclear weapons and the Korean war did protect our nation. Those are for self defense purposes. We didn't start the war or use nuclear weapons to attack other nations. So they don't conflict with peace, they won us peace for many years.

As for no one can take pictures when bullets flying, or videos being confiscated by police, like I said earlier, before the bullets flying, there were people taking videos, I've seen these videos on youtube. So if the soldiers suddenly fire their machine guns on cooperating unarmed protesters, like the WUC accused, the shooting scene will be recorded. Uyghurs can hide 20 of those 7/5 riot suspects from the massive arrest, and smuggle them out to Cambodia, why can't they do the same with those videos? The most reasonable explanation is there's no such video. Also like I said, there's 7/5 street demo video on youtube, it's not allowed by government, yet you guys can get it out, so why not those massive killing videos? Please think about this and answer these 2 questions directly if you want to reply to my post. If you reply but don't answer them directly, I'll have to assume you agree with my conclusion that such massive killing didn't happen on 75.

Again, may peace be upon all.

You are allowed to discriminate or condemn the July fifth incident whatever you want to. What I found was now the Uyghur become number one enemy of a superpower (China) who is a friend of everyones in this world. This is an extreme bad luck for Uyghur people cause. I am sorry I had to admit this for you.

Unregistered
04-07-11, 19:00
The evidence is not enough. I saw that picture too. Like the government admits, there were about 10 rioting mobs shot dead at their crime scene by police on 75. May be that pic was one of those shootings. More evidence is needed to clear things up.

Violence against innocent by-passers are not understandable. That's a very important principle. You have problems with the government, solve them with the government. If you think you want to use violence (a bad idea which will harm yourself), limit it between you and the government. Any killing/attacking against innocent by-passers should be condemned, no matter what the excuses are.

Of course I feel sorry for those lives lost in Korean war. But Chinese nuclear weapons and the Korean war did protect our nation. Those are for self defense purposes. We didn't start the war or use nuclear weapons to attack other nations. So they don't conflict with peace, they won us peace for many years.

As for no one can take pictures when bullets flying, or videos being confiscated by police, like I said earlier, before the bullets flying, there were people taking videos, I've seen these videos on youtube. So if the soldiers suddenly fire their machine guns on cooperating unarmed protesters, like the WUC accused, the shooting scene will be recorded. Uyghurs can hide 20 of those 7/5 riot suspects from the massive arrest, and smuggle them out to Cambodia, why can't they do the same with those videos? The most reasonable explanation is there's no such video. Also like I said, there's 7/5 street demo video on youtube, it's not allowed by government, yet you guys can get it out, so why not those massive killing videos? Please think about this and answer these 2 questions directly if you want to reply to my post. If you reply but don't answer them directly, I'll have to assume you agree with my conclusion that such massive killing didn't happen on 75.

Again, may peace be upon all.

I believe chinese government is so kind to Uyghur did not kill them all. only 10 people were shooted on 7.5? what a mercy! what more stories your beloved gorvenment will compile? At least now you start to admit there was shooting after long denial of firing, good progress.
7/5 street video is your government taken and put it on youtube, not uyghur taken. Uyghur did not hide any people, stupid guy if you read the post again you should know that was christain organization that rescued them out including children, they were victims. Get answered? read and think before you post, your government should send a better poster to here. what a shame to your chinese intelligent!

Unregistered
04-07-11, 19:46
Do not solute to me. It was a roit in 1989 as you government announced, isn't it? So many chinese soilders and polices were killed, car were burned. chinese army killing of civilian is called what? crime or terrorism? Or they were defensing their country? Chinese student believed that chinese soilder will not against them, however, Chinese students peaceful demonstration becoming a riot because of what?
From your pride and your logic, you should call them heros.
My heros are those Uyghur students and women who Knew chinese army may fire on them at any time but still demonstrated, steping up toward them, for the justice of uyghurs that were brutaly beaten dead in Guangdong shaoguan and whose beloved men were unfairly arrested just because live nearby the 7.5 scences.
Uyghur is a dying nation, an abandoned nation and a victim nation but, I was so proud of them and those true heros, Uyghur women and men. Those videos about theire demonstartion on the streets, I believe will never uploaded by a chinese like you, rather by international media or Uyghur people.
We all love peace, but should not sacrifice freedom, democracy and diginity of people under repression and abuse. Uyghur nation do have the right with peaceful or non peaceful means to defence their rights when violence pouring on them for many years. You talk about neuclear weapons that remind me to tell you, the atmosphic testing of those weapons has been killed and killing many Uyghur's life, destorying envirenment and I bet your gorventment will never admit those, the topic maybe was banned or you may make up some stories to defence it.

If you truely love peace, I hope you dilligently tell your government destroy those neuclear weapons!


Solute to you, our 64 hero.

"how come chinese army become so mercy on Uyghur " --- From 64 to 75, 20 years passed, things changed. But the most important thing is, you guys in 64 was a serious threat to CCP, it power, remember that? While mobs of 75 threat only Han civilian lives, not CCP's power. Sorry to say that, but you know which one of these 2 are more important to CCP, right? I only hope CCP will protect people better in future, good thing is that seems to be the trend.

"How you gonna commen on that, sweetie?" --- 64 was a big tragedy for our nation. It's natural that some mobs(may not be students) killed some innocent polices, too bad government only show those, not showing innocent students being killed. But, you do see the difference of killing polices, and on 75, killing civilians, right? Killing police on duty can be called rebelling sometimes, killing civilians is a pure crime, sometimes act of terrorism.

"Why ccp sent so many chinese army to East Turkistan, for a show?" --- It takes that many troops to protect both Han and Uyghur people. CCP didn't do this job well in the beginning. Also, you may call it a show, a show to intimidate potential mobs from killing more.

You 64 pictures were confiscated about 20 years ago, even so, we can still see many 64 pics that CCP is not happy with. The advanced technology now makes it impossible for CCP to take away all the evidence. Those videos on youtube about Han Chinese being killed are now allowed by CCP either. Those peaceful street demo videos on 75 were also not allowed by CCP, yet Uyghurs can get them out of China.

Our national pride comes from our ability to protect ourselves, our economical growth, not killing others. You are free to think killing is the source of Chinese national pride, China has so many people, we'll always have different views here and there.

May peace be upon all people.

Unregistered
05-07-11, 03:23
only 10 people were shooted on 7.5? -- A little more than 10, that number was given by the government. If you want people to believe it's actually significantly more, show some evidence. I mentioned the figure 10 to say that the window bullet hole pic is not enough evidence, it could come from those 10 shootings. When you do some have hard evidence, I'm willing to accept the truth, but I won't believe it just because of your talking. Recently I've even seen a short film by Al Jazeera saying that the most victims on 75 are Han Chinese, not Uyghurs. It's on youtube, I'll be happy to provide link if necessary.

I never deny the government killed someone on 75, any life lost is a tragedy. What I don't agree is Uyghur's claim that the government open massive fire on peacefully protesting Uyghurs all of a sudden and killed more than 800.

"7/5 street video is your government taken and put it on youtube, not uyghur taken." -- Thanks for trying to reply my questions directly, not avoiding them. What I meant was the video about peaceful part of protest, the early part. You are wrong, these videos are not taken by the government. I've seen at least 2 video clips about this on youtube, taken by Uyghurs. I hear the video takers talking in Uyghur. On the other hand, why would the government put such peaceful videos on youtube? CCP's definition of 75 is a riot, why would it put PEACEFUL protest video clips out? Now again, if the soldiers suddenly fire their machine guns on cooperating peaceful protesters, like the WUC accused, the shooting scene will be recorded. So, there're peaceful demo videos on youtube, they are not allowed by government, yet you guys can get them out, so why not those massive killing videos?

I knew those 20 riot suspects got help from Korean Church, but they managed to escape China, right? So if 20 human beings can get out of China, why can't any CD or flash drive or cell phone with those massive killing videos? Don't tell me that's more difficult than transporting 20 human out of China.

May peace be upon all.


I believe chinese government is so kind to Uyghur did not kill them all. only 10 people were shooted on 7.5? what a mercy! what more stories your beloved gorvenment will compile? At least now you start to admit there was shooting after long denial of firing, good progress.
7/5 street video is your government taken and put it on youtube, not uyghur taken. Uyghur did not hide any people, stupid guy if you read the post again you should know that was christain organization that rescued them out including children, they were victims. Get answered? read and think before you post, your government should send a better poster to here. what a shame to your chinese intelligent!

Unregistered
05-07-11, 03:40
For the 64 part, like I said I don't agree with CCP.

Seems like you now understand why CCP didn't use the same level of force on 64, to deal with 75, good.

So, are those Uyghurs killing innocent Han Chinese also your heros?

Do you think it's ok for Uyghurs to kill innocent Han Chinese by-passers, because Uyghurs are oppressed by CCP?

If your answers are No and No, we don't have any difference. Otherwise we have a problem here.

I truly love peace and hope all nuclear weapons be destroyed by all nations. But no one will listen to me. When other nations keep the weapons and have been threatening China with them, China also need nuclear weapons. Is that so hard to understand?


Do not solute to me. It was a roit in 1989 as you government announced, isn't it? So many chinese soilders and polices were killed, car were burned. chinese army killing of civilian is called what? crime or terrorism? Or they were defensing their country? Chinese student believed that chinese soilder will not against them, however, Chinese students peaceful demonstration becoming a riot because of what?
From your pride and your logic, you should call them heros.
My heros are those Uyghur students and women who Knew chinese army may fire on them at any time but still demonstrated, steping up toward them, for the justice of uyghurs that were brutaly beaten dead in Guangdong shaoguan and whose beloved men were unfairly arrested just because live nearby the 7.5 scences.
Uyghur is a dying nation, an abandoned nation and a victim nation but, I was so proud of them and those true heros, Uyghur women and men. Those videos about theire demonstartion on the streets, I believe will never uploaded by a chinese like you, rather by international media or Uyghur people.
We all love peace, but should not sacrifice freedom, democracy and diginity of people under repression and abuse. Uyghur nation do have the right with peaceful or non peaceful means to defence their rights when violence pouring on them for many years. You talk about neuclear weapons that remind me to tell you, the atmosphic testing of those weapons has been killed and killing many Uyghur's life, destorying envirenment and I bet your gorventment will never admit those, the topic maybe was banned or you may make up some stories to defence it.

If you truely love peace, I hope you dilligently tell your government destroy those neuclear weapons!

Unregistered
05-07-11, 06:50
For the 64 part, like I said I don't agree with CCP.

Seems like you now understand why CCP didn't use the same level of force on 64, to deal with 75, good.

So, are those Uyghurs killing innocent Han Chinese also your heros?

Do you think it's ok for Uyghurs to kill innocent Han Chinese by-passers, because Uyghurs are oppressed by CCP?

If your answers are No and No, we don't have any difference. Otherwise we have a problem here.

I truly love peace and hope all nuclear weapons be destroyed by all nations. But no one will listen to me. When other nations keep the weapons and have been threatening China with them, China also need nuclear weapons. Is that so hard to understand?

You dont have problem if your police shoot Uyghurs and you dont have problem if your party secretary encourage by- passer han Chinese to kill the Uyghurs. But you have a problem with the Uyghurs if they give you a couple feedbacks to your face. You should remember, before han chinese come to xin jiang, the Uyghur society almost bears zero crime rate and they built very secure and harmonic life in their home. Those by-passer han Chinese come to there, and they bring the prostitution, bribe, corruption, child kidnapping and gang for mass murdering innocent Uyghur on street and suburb regions. I think you know yourself better than us, you cannot defend your by passer han Chinese logistically, please do not sit on last hard scene too long, it hurts you if you keep stick with that.

Unregistered
05-07-11, 23:03
For the 64 part, like I said I don't agree with CCP.

Seems like you now understand why CCP didn't use the same level of force on 64, to deal with 75, good.

So, are those Uyghurs killing innocent Han Chinese also your heros?

Do you think it's ok for Uyghurs to kill innocent Han Chinese by-passers, because Uyghurs are oppressed by CCP?

If your answers are No and No, we don't have any difference. Otherwise we have a problem here.

I truly love peace and hope all nuclear weapons be destroyed by all nations. But no one will listen to me. When other nations keep the weapons and have been threatening China with them, China also need nuclear weapons. Is that so hard to understand?

Not sure if the dead Han chinese were innocent by-passer or actually involved in violence. from the video I saw some chinese were injured and most of them were not and freely moving around. If so many Uyghur at that day want to kill inncent bypasser, I guess the death toll would be extreamly high.
There were violence, but I guess must have a reason. I do not exclude the possibilty that some of the Han chinese insulted or assulted Uyghur first at that time, which resulted fight. Secondly, I saw some uyghur shaking the buss but let all the chinese pessanger go, only one or two of them get kicked. I think they want clear out passengers and then turn over the buss, a way to experss their anger.
I don't see any direct evidence that Uyghur were killing any chinese. Show me your evidence that Uyghur killed so many by passer chinese please. I might think those chinese were killed by police as well.

Unregistered
06-07-11, 04:18
Has been about 2 years since the 7/5 riot. Wish all the people who lost their lives on 7/5 rest in peace. Wish who were injured/hurt on 75 good luck

That being said, something has not changed is, most of those who died on 7/5 are Han Chinese. Uyghur people had 2 years to come up with video/picture evidence about their accuse of 800 or more Uyghurs were killed on 75, but we didn't see such hard evidence. On the contrary, several videos came out on youtube, about many of those Han Chinese being beaten, killed.

May 75 never happen again. No matter what you want, pursue it through peaceful means please. Violence is not good for a political movement, in the end it will harm Uyghurs more than Hans.

As a Chinese I wrote most of the posts on Han Chinese side in this thread, arguing with others about the facts. I still think those facts are right, but my language might bring bad feelings to others, for that I apologize with my heart to those who feels offended by my words.

Again, may 75 never happen again.

Go back to where you guys came from plz stop occupying other peoples house and enslaving them....we dont care how many chinese dead or alive we simply dont want to have anything to do with you guys.....go back to your own coutry and leave us to ourselves

Unregistered
06-07-11, 04:33
I knew some Uyghurs will use Chinese government control as the excuse for the lack of evidence. But you guys can get 20 riot suspects out to Cambodia, those are 20 living human beings. If there is such evidence, why can't you get those CDs, flash drives out of China?

"How do you know most of the victims were Chinese? " -- Unlike the lack of hard evidence from Uyghur side, I saw many pictures of Han Chinese victims. More importantly, many youtube video clips of Uyghur mobs attacking Han civilians. Even Uyghur women participated the attack, in videos you clearly see their scarves. And the government is trying hard to prevent those videos from coming out. The videos damage the story government is telling: most ordinary Uyghurs behaved peacefully and helped Han victims. I don't believe everything the government says, but the videos are convincing.

"Uyghurs still live in terror, they do not have the means to document the evidences." -- they do have the means, they've been taking cell phone video clips about the first part of street demo on 75. I saw the video on youtube. If police suddenly open massive fire on them, the massive shooting scene will be recorded in those videos. Again, that street demo video is not allowed by government, yet you guys can get it out, so why not those massive killing videos?

"but when it involves Uyghurs and Tibetans it is always our fault and your government as innocent and harmless as a white swan" -- that's because you guys used violence on Han Chinese civilians. If you protested peacefully and didn't kill/harm any Han civilians, we won't blame you. Although we might still not agree with your claim. So like I said, please do your stuff peacefully, it's good for everyone.

You are a rational Uyghur talking without dirty language, without '!' everywhere in sentence, so I'll honestly tell you the truth. The root difference between us is, we don't agree with the kind of autonomy you talk about. We regard every inch of the country as the property of all citizens of China. We know you guys living there for about 1000 years, but once the country is established, most of us think that everyone has equal rights on any part of China. We agree you guys might have some special rights in Xinjiang, that's the 'fake' autonomy you have now. The real autonomy you talk about is too much, it'll lead to independence. You can not break Xinjiang away from us, we are equal owners like you guys. CCP is nice enough to call Xinjiang an autonomous region, while before CCP, in ROC it was Xinjiang province. I understand you probably don't agree with us, that's fine, but again, please pursue your political goals peacefully.

"We are the others that you access ...... to heal your wounded national pride" -- No, our national pride comes from things like Korean war, nuclear weapons, UN security council permanent seat, 2nd largest economy of world and still fast growing.

"Chinese people have many virtues, but honesty is not one of them" -- You live in a real world. Politics is dirty, no one is completely honest. I don't see Chinese honesty significantly worse than other major powers in the world. If you talk about Chinese mislead you on autonomy, I personally will apologize for that and please understand it's the immature act of CCP in the early days of PRC. If they kept the xinjiang province like ROC, there won't be many misunderstandings. So please don't take the autonomy thing from government too seriously.

I don't see Uyghurs and us share many political views, that's fine, but I hope we do our stuffs all peacefully, like your WUC is trying to claim.

Wish all Uyghur people good luck and all the best!

No one invited you chinese to my country...you just occupied it. good luck to us you say? and u only wish the best maybe? hypocrits!!! china never wished best for anybody not even for eachother....in which country people drug milk and sell it to parents? you have no idea how much hatred we have against china...if by fate we can destroy you we will do it without a seconds hesitation.

Unregistered
06-07-11, 04:44
I'm happy to see, after reading my post, you don't insist that videos can't be taken when bullets fly around, like the previous guy insisted. Great. Now you say such videos will be taken away by Chinese soldiers. The question is still the same, Uyghurs can hide 20 of those 7/5 riot suspects from the massive Chinese arrest, and smuggle them out to Cambodia, why can't they do the same with those videos? The most reasonable explanation is there's no such video. Also like I said, there's 7/5 street demo video on youtube, it's not allowed by government, yet you guys can get it out, so why not those massive killing videos?

I'm very patient, if in future videos show up about soldiers open massive fire on cooperating civilians, I will start condemning the government. But before that, I won't just believe Uyghur's claim without any hard evidence.

Otherwise you can say on 75 China killed 10 million Uyghurs and when I ask for the evidence, you can say all evidence is destroyed by the government.

"Tens of thousands were arrested and thousands disappeared." --- I believe the arrest part. Because I've seen videos of Chinese police doing house by house searching after 75. See, I'm ready to be convinced if there's good evidence. Considering the fact that so many mobsters participated in the killing and attacking, these arrests are kind of necessary to bring justice to those criminals. But if the government makes them disappear, that's wrong, I think they should be trialed openly. But again, these disappearance needs to be backed by evidence.

I hope no one get harmed in those massive arrest, but in such a massive operation it's almost impossible. That's why I always plea to all people, please pursue your political goals peacefully, otherwise your own people might get hurt. Wish all people good luck and all the best, even those who committed crime on 75.

Shameless liers and hypocrits that is what you chinese are....dont tell me how many pests you have in china...now it is your time to smile. are you debating us? you filthy piece of shit? what makes it alright for you to refute a people who`s land has been stolen from tham? you are nothing more than robbers and liers .....you pests are anything but peace loving. or factual

Unregistered
06-07-11, 11:50
"I don't see any direct evidence that Uyghur were killing any chinese." --- 75 is such a big thing for you guys, and you never go to youtube and search for 'urumqi 75 killing' ?

As a starter, here we go: I have to warn you, it's very bloody. Don't click these links if you think you can't handle bloody scenes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOmNZVda2ek
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQZVY7wDxYE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHtzv8kMwvc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG2rbPoVDwM

May these victims rest in peace and may peace be upon all.




Not sure if the dead Han chinese were innocent by-passer or actually involved in violence. from the video I saw some chinese were injured and most of them were not and freely moving around. If so many Uyghur at that day want to kill inncent bypasser, I guess the death toll would be extreamly high.
There were violence, but I guess must have a reason. I do not exclude the possibilty that some of the Han chinese insulted or assulted Uyghur first at that time, which resulted fight. Secondly, I saw some uyghur shaking the buss but let all the chinese pessanger go, only one or two of them get kicked. I think they want clear out passengers and then turn over the buss, a way to experss their anger.
I don't see any direct evidence that Uyghur were killing any chinese. Show me your evidence that Uyghur killed so many by passer chinese please. I might think those chinese were killed by police as well.

Unregistered
06-07-11, 12:14
I've been posting mostly about facts so far. Now something about people's feelings. I see you guys hate us a lot. Although Chinese government is mostly Han Chinese, as an ordinary Han Chinese, I'm not able to change anything in Xinjiang. Han Chinese coming to Xinjiang is a historical event, no mater you like it or not, no one is able to change that in foreseeable future. Since you guys are not happy about the ruling of Han Chinese in Xinjiang, as I peace loving and peace promoting Han Chinese, I personally apologize to all of you. I don't represent anyone else, just me, saying sorry here, that's the most I can do.

May peace be upon all, may everyone live in peace.


No one invited you chinese to my country...you just occupied it. good luck to us you say? and u only wish the best maybe? hypocrits!!! china never wished best for anybody not even for eachother....in which country people drug milk and sell it to parents? you have no idea how much hatred we have against china...if by fate we can destroy you we will do it without a seconds hesitation.

Unregistered
06-07-11, 12:39
"I don't see any direct evidence that Uyghur were killing any chinese." --- 75 is such a big thing for you guys, and you never go to youtube and search for 'urumqi 75 killing' ?

As a starter, here we go: I have to warn you, it's very bloody. Don't click these links if you think you can't handle bloody scenes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOmNZVda2ek
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQZVY7wDxYE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHtzv8kMwvc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG2rbPoVDwM

May these victims rest in peace and may peace be upon all.

look at this, compare to Guangdong shaoguan video taken by chinese
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e7mytFpYlA

The videos you posted showed some violence, but seems like there were limited and selective targets were beaten by few people. Are those chinese spys? are they died in the end? How do you know they were innocent or not? Most people in the video seems like not hurted and not fighting and moving freely around.

Unregistered
07-07-11, 07:33
I've been posting mostly about facts so far. Now something about people's feelings. I see you guys hate us a lot. Although Chinese government is mostly Han Chinese, as an ordinary Han Chinese, I'm not able to change anything in Xinjiang. Han Chinese coming to Xinjiang is a historical event, no mater you like it or not, no one is able to change that in foreseeable future. Since you guys are not happy about the ruling of Han Chinese in Xinjiang, as I peace loving and peace promoting Han Chinese, I personally apologize to all of you. I don't represent anyone else, just me, saying sorry here, that's the most I can do.

May peace be upon all, may everyone live in peace.

Interesting logic there huh.....so are you guys coming to South America is a historical event too.....should you claim sovereignty over there? no matter what the chinks do we will never give up on our right and our freedom....plz dont play word games with us....we know you guys just too well,too better to play your jiang daoli game. maybe these wetern idiots might buy your peace loving motives just like we once did.

Adel.Uyghur
10-07-11, 01:18
There is no justice in a country which has no freedom of speech. This is the fact. The China's so claimed 5000 years of civilized history has been a history of shame, history of injustice, pooverty, salavery, discrimination, brutallity, inhumanity and most importantly stupidity and foolishness.

The Chinese government cannot represent as a legitimate government of China as it is not elected. This is certainly true for Uyghurs. It has been the most most violance and brutallity regime in human history. For Uyghur, the Chinese government is a gang of mafia which has now respect for its own rules and laws. For Uyghur the government and its officials are robbers who have been robbing Uyghur for more than 60 years - they have destroyed Uyghur natual flora and fauna, taken Uyghur land and realestate properties, diverted water for the benifit of Han Chinese, banned Uyghur language in Uyghur homeland, written false and untrue history, directly and indirectly killed hundred thousands of innocent people..

The Chinese government information and propagonda cannot be relied. The have been plenty of evidence that the government detained many people who attempted to reveal true information. The bockage of independent news means that the government news cannot be relied at all.

It has been clear that rising China is a threat to world democracy - it has been buying members of other government officials to abuse human rights.

The most disappoiting fact for me that most of the Han Chinese, who has even had their education in western countries, foolishly believe the Chinese government's propaganda and still have a lot of trouble with democratic ideas.

Adel.Uyghur
10-07-11, 04:15
There is no justice in a country which has no freedom of speech. This is the fact. The China's so claimed 5000 years of "civilized" history has been a history of shame, history of injustice, pooverty, salavery, discrimination, brutallity, inhumanity and most importantly stupidity and foolishness such as the Cultural Revolution and Great Leap Forward...

The Chinese government cannot represent as a legitimate government of China as it is not elected. This is certainly true for Uyghurs as those high ranking officials are mosly central government appoited Han ex-army officials who have little knowledge on Uyghurs and Uyghur homeland. The regime has been the most violance and brutallity in human history - for Uyghur, the Chinese government is a gang of mafia which has no respect for its own rules and laws. For Uyghur the government and its officials are robbers who have been robbing Uyghur for more than 60 years, at first with the help of ex-Soviet Union, and now using high tech arms and even nuclear bombs. The robbers have never believed the Uyghur land belongs to China so they have destroyed the natual flora and fauna, destroyed the natural environment severely to feed their greedy stomaches. The robbers have taken Uyghur land and realestate properties, diverted waters for the benifit of Han Chinese, banned Uyghur language in Uyghur homeland, written false and untrue history, killed hundred thousands of innocent indigenous Uyghurs, kazaks and other turkic people direct by shooting and torturing indirectly by its stupid policy which makes people in hunger or sytemeticly by rejecting basic rights as human.

The Chinese government information and propagonda cannot be relied. There are plenty of evidence that the government detained many people who attempted to reveal true information. The blockage of independent news means that the government news cannot be relied on as it is nothing more than propaganda.

It has been clear that rising China under the current regime is a threat to world democracy - it has been buying or bullying members of other governments or government officials to abuse human rights in their own countries. The government has tried to convince its own citizens and other governments Uyghurs who advocate justice and human right as terrorists.

The most disappoiting fact is that majourity of the Han Chinese, who have even received their education in Western countries, foolishly believe the Chinese government's propaganda and still have a lot of trouble with democratic ideas. Some of them even want native Uyghurs out of their China to Turkey. Most Uyghurs in fact seeking to out of the regime even to Afghanistan if Chinese officials are dare to give them the "opportunity".

Unregistered
10-07-11, 12:47
I..have..a..few..cousins..serving...6..to..10..yea rs..for..attending..the..demonstrations..in..Urumc hi...according..to..one..of..my..cousins..who..fle d..the..country..in..August..2009..to..the..middle ..east..thousands...of..Uyghurs..were.shot..dead.. and..ofcourse..the..mass..arrests..that..followed. .after..that..the..Chinese..media..says..a..117..p eople..died..for..thr..true..results..multply..tha t..by..ten..or..a..hundred..and..thats.how..many.. people..died....right..now..its..very..tense..situ ation..but..i..honestly..have..to..say..the..Uyghu rs..back..home..are..a..hundred..times..braver..an d..awake..then..the..ones..living..in..the..free.. world(USA/EUROPE)...there..are..hundreds..if..not..thousands ...of..uyghurs..who..dont..show..up..to..the..demo nstrations..here..in..the..free..world..because..t hey..are..afraid..of..Chinas..shadow!..Until..we.. speak..up..for..ourselves..no...one..will..speak.. up..for.us..Allah..says......I..WILL..NOT..FIX..YO U..UNTIL..YOU..FIX..YOURSELF......we..must..fix..o urselves..cause..those..who..died..in..Urumchi,and ..elsewhere..those..brothers..and..sisters..who... are..being..slaughtered..is..your..sister,aunt,unc le,cousin,daughter,son,brother....and..even..you!. ..Wake..Up..my..brothers..and..sisters..dont..sit. .and..feel..sorry..take..action..fight..for..your. .right..to..live..as..a..human..being..contact..th e..UAA..WUC...and..demand..Independence..not..auto nomy..or..human..rights..or..self..deterimination! ..INDEPENDENCE..SHOULD..OUR..CALL!...and..donate.. money..to..these..organizations..but..use..the..co nditions..demand..that..they..use..the..money..to. .voice..us..for..INDEPENDENCE!..I..personally..do. .not..like..the..WUC..thy..use..the..term..Xinjian g..and..autonomy..and..selfdetermination.....We..n eed..to..have..a..true..East..Turkistan..Governmen t..in..Exile..that..will.be..recognized..by..the.. US..Europe..and..certain..UN..nations...or..it..sh ould..be..the..World..East..Turkistan..Congress... Uyghur..justs..seperates..us..from..the..other..Tu rkish..groups..in..East..Turkistan..who..also..fou ght..for..the..freedom..of..our..country..in..the. .1930s..and..1940s

Unregistered
10-07-11, 15:06
The name 'xinjing' itslef is insulting humanity. After genocide Jungar people, Manuchu renamed the land Xinjiang. Xinjinag means 'new territory'. It symbolize the victory of the manchu empire to obtain a new territory via massacre and genocide. Jungaria is located in current northen east turkistan. The international recognization the name 'xinjiang' is equal to accept the genocide and massacre to obtain a new territory, which is against the humanity!

Unregistered
10-07-11, 17:59
look at this, compare to Guangdong shaoguan video taken by chinese
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e7mytFpYlA

The videos you posted showed some violence, but seems like there were limited and selective targets were beaten by few people. Are those chinese spys? are they died in the end? How do you know they were innocent or not? Most people in the video seems like not hurted and not fighting and moving freely around.

The Guangdong shaoguan 's video clip clearely showed groups of chinese beaten Uyghur workers, however, chinese authorities only punished one of them in the court. The bruterlity is much worse compare to few chinese street monitor that were installed to monitor uyghurs.
In addition, when there is a demonstration, I believe many chinese agencies and spy will pour into uyghur community for some purposes as usual. I guess those selected chinese targets maybe were identified chinese spys, innocent or not? I don't know. Saw ccp's movie, how their spys disguised? I get some sense.
The machine gun shooting may not killed uyghur and may killed many chiense too. That is maybe the reason why they burn the chinese dead bodies so fast. Because they don't want chinese peple to know the gunshots on their body, which is only available from chinese police and army. They solely blame on uyghur account for the died may just be a big lie.
I wish they find peace in heaven for those truely innocent peope died in the violence, both uyghur and chinese. However the cause of the violence and the truth of entire event should be investigated.

Unregistered
10-07-11, 18:11
The Guangdong shaoguan 's video clip clearely showed groups of chinese beaten Uyghur workers, however, chinese authorities only punished one of them in the court. The bruterlity is much worse compare to few chinese street monitor that were installed to monitor uyghurs.
In addition, when there is a demonstration, I believe many chinese agencies and spy will pour into uyghur community for some purposes as usual. I guess those selected chinese targets maybe were identified chinese spys, innocent or not? I don't know. Saw ccp's movie, how their spys disguised? I get some sense.
The machine gun shooting may not killed uyghur and may killed many chiense too. That is maybe the reason why they burn the chinese dead bodies so fast. Because they don't want chinese peple to know the gunshots on their body, which is only available from chinese police and army. They solely blame on uyghur account for the died may just be a big lie.
I wish they find peace in heaven for those truely innocent peope died in the violence, both uyghur and chinese. However the cause of the violence and the truth of entire event should be investigated.

here is the cause of guangdong 's event. Those uyghur were truely innocents and were beaten to death because of rumor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaoguan_incident
here is the video of that event
http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=http%3A//www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DJ8Oido42WZA
http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=http%3A//www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DCi1brYzyAqw

Adel.Uyghur
10-07-11, 23:21
You have mentioned one of the important points. According to many witnesses, hundreds of people cornered in a no end street in Race Court, the street lights were turned off, guns were fired indiscriminately. As a result hundreds of people including Han Chinese were dead.


The Guangdong shaoguan 's video clip clearely showed groups of chinese beaten Uyghur workers, however, chinese authorities only punished one of them in the court. The bruterlity is much worse compare to few chinese street monitor that were installed to monitor uyghurs.
In addition, when there is a demonstration, I believe many chinese agencies and spy will pour into uyghur community for some purposes as usual. I guess those selected chinese targets maybe were identified chinese spys, innocent or not? I don't know. Saw ccp's movie, how their spys disguised? I get some sense.
The machine gun shooting may not killed uyghur and may killed many chiense too. That is maybe the reason why they burn the chinese dead bodies so fast. Because they don't want chinese peple to know the gunshots on their body, which is only available from chinese police and army. They solely blame on uyghur account for the died may just be a big lie.
I wish they find peace in heaven for those truely innocent peope died in the violence, both uyghur and chinese. However the cause of the violence and the truth of entire event should be investigated.

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