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12-06-09, 16:50
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Welcome to paradise: The four Chinese Muslims spent years in harsh captivity - and years more in political limbo - before Bermuda offered them a home. The men understandably say they are delighted to be here.


6/12/2009 11:20:00 AM
Diplomatic firestorm
Fury in China and U.K. as BDA goes out on a limb to accept Guantanamo detainees
Bermuda has been thrust into an international political firestorm by allowing four former prisoners of Guantanamo Bay to take refuge on the island. The move is likely to garner favour with President Obama, who has been desperate to find homes for former inmates after promising to close Guantanamo by January.
However, the Chinese government is furious, and says the U.S. should extradite what it calls "suspected terrorists" to China. The British Government, and Governor Sir Richard Gozney, are also less than impressed, and say Bermuda should have consulted with them before giving the four men a home.


Welcome to paradise: The four Chinese Muslims spent years in harsh captivity - and years more in political limbo - before Bermuda offered them a home. The men understandably say they are delighted to be here.

"We were not involved in the negotiations, and we should have been. The Government of Bermuda should have consulted Government House at every stage and through me the British government. They didn't do that. This is an issue that goes far wider than these four individuals. We now need to assess these four individuals." He said London has launched urgent talks with Washington yesterday.
The Justice Department in the States insists it has done full checks on the men's background and character and is convinced they have never been involved in terrorism. Three years ago, the four prisoners were among those cleared by an American court of fighting U.S. troops. Since then, over 100 countries have refused to give them asylum, partly through fear of angering China.
However, Sir Richard said the assessments on the men needed to be done by Britain before they were allowed into Bermuda: "These men are on British territory. Our view is that [the assessments] need to be done by Bermuda and Britain and we can't rely on a third party assessment. If we are taking four people from Guantanamo, clearly there is a security issue there, and we need to know we have done our homework." Sir Richard said only yesterday was Government House given the paperwork for the four men. He said: "Now we have started to do that homework, and we can do it quickly. But it should have been done before now. It would have been had we been involved from the start."
The four men - named as Abdul Nasser, Huzaifa Parhat, Abdul Semet and Jalal Jalaladin - are members of the Uighur Muslim ethnic sect. The Chinese claim they were part of an army fighting for independence in the northwest of the country.
Sir Richard said the men are not just refugees, they are political refugees and a special case both because of their country of origin and where they were held in prison. He said the political ramifications are huge, as evidenced by the fact that no other countries have previously come forward to house them. "That's why they have been trapped in Guantanamo," said Sir Richard.
'An immigration issue'
Premier Ewart Brown said last night that it was not Britain's place to get involved at all. He said the Bermuda Government is viewing it as an immigration issue - which falls to the Government - as opposed to a foreign affairs and security issue - which falls to the Governor. He also denied that Bermudians should have been kept informed of the plan so that they could challenge it if they felt uncomfortable. He said the plan would have ground to a halt if the public had been involved. He said: "You can see why the talks have to be private and somewhat restricted...Otherwise it wouldn't have been able to happen."
He also addressed a concern shared by many Bermudians: why is the island offering housing and jobs to these men when there are so many on the island who are going without. Dr. Brown said: "We have our problems. We have our problems with or without these people, and we will continue to have our challenges without these four people." He said with 10,000 guest workers here, "four people isn't even a ripple in the water."
Bermudians are also asking: why can't the men be sent home? Experts point out that China has one of the worst human rights records in the world. The men would almost certainly be tortured and killed if they were sent home.
Dr. Brown said that meant Bermuda has a moral responsibility to give the men a home. The U.S. Government yesterday thanked the island for stepping in. Attorney General Eric Holder of the Justice Department said: "By helping accomplish the president's objective of closing Guantanamo, the transfer of these detainees will make America safer." He added that the department was "extremely grateful to the government of Bermuda for its assistance."
However, the Chinese Government has condemned the move. Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said: "The 17 Uigurs are members of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, which is on the United Nations list of terrorist groups and China holds the unswerving stand that the U.S. should stop handing over the terrorists to any third country, so as to expatriate them to China at an early date."



At a glance — the key questions
Will the men be under any restrictions in Bermuda?

No. They will be free members of society, helped to gain employment and found housing.

Government claim the men have "skills in the mechanical trade" and at least two speak good English.

The men will get the chance to "become naturalized Bermudians". The only restriction on them will be travel - they must get clearance from foreign authorities before traveling to the U.S. or U.K.

Why were the men sent to Guantanamo in the first place?

They were living in a self-contained camp in Afghanistan when the U.S. invasion began in October 2001.

American troops rounded up anyone they thought was an enemy combatant. The prisoners claimed they had fled to Afghanistan to avoid persecution as Muslims in their own country.

After more than four years in Guantanamo Bay, an American court found they were not enemy combatants and cleared of all wrongdoing.

Why can't the men be sent back to China?

The Chinese believe they were part of a Muslim guerilla army fighting for independence in the northwest of the country. This has not been proved.

China has an appalling human rights record and the men would be unlikely to receive a fair trial. Instead, they would likely be tortured and executed.

Why aren't these men given a home in the States, since it was America who locked them up?

An original plan to take the men to Virginia met with fierce opposition from Congress.

At one point, the Justice Department argued they should never be admitted into the country because they "sought to wage terror" in China.

A district judge ruled the men should be freed in the States, only to be overruled by an appeals court, which said the judge had assumed too much power. That final ruling left the men in legal limbo.

Why have so many other countries declined to take the men?

It may have been simply that there are few political points to be won giving a home to former suspected terrorists.

Just as importantly, countries have been wary of making enemies of China.

"Bermuda just stepped up and did it, God bless them," said P. Sabin Willett, a lawyer for the four men. "They have put the bigger countries to shame."

What does Bermuda get out of the deal?

According to reports, Palau, a Pacific island that is taking 13 more former prisoners, was being offered hundreds of millions of dollars in aid money as a sweetener.

It does not appear that Bermuda will benefit from any such payment. Instead, the U.S. has agreed only to pay for all costs related to the relocation and resettlement of the men.

The most important boon to Bermuda may be the goodwill generated with President Obama, at a time when governments around the world are looking to clamp down on low-tax jurisdictions.

Research by Tim Hall

Unregistered
12-06-09, 19:16
nimandaq set saqal qoyiwalghandu bular, ademning qoqusini kelturup.

Unregistered
12-06-09, 23:30
nimandaq set saqal qoyiwalghandu bular, ademning qoqusini kelturup.

saqili bolmisa soyep qoyamtingiz?

Unregistered
13-06-09, 01:50
nimandaq set saqal qoyiwalghandu bular, ademning qoqusini kelturup.

Belkim turmidiki waqtida turme tuzimige asasen saqal alidighan nersilerni bermigen bolushi mumkin, chunki shundaq qilsa oylimighan aqiwetler (tomorini kesiwelish, bashqilarni yarilandurush ...) kelip chiqishining aldini elish uchun. Ular emdi erkin ademler bolghaniken, saqal burutini oz ixtiyariche yasiyalaydu.

Unregistered
13-06-09, 02:50
obdan qarisingiz tigh tekkendek turmamdu ?

Belkim turmidiki waqtida turme tuzimige asasen saqal alidighan nersilerni bermigen bolushi mumkin, chunki shundaq qilsa oylimighan aqiwetler (tomorini kesiwelish, bashqilarni yarilandurush ...) kelip chiqishining aldini elish uchun. Ular emdi erkin ademler bolghaniken, saqal burutini oz ixtiyariche yasiyalaydu.

Unregistered
13-06-09, 05:28
emdi ularni dunya axparatchiliri bekmu kop ziyaret qilidu, shunung uchun bizning bir neche dini zatlirimiz ulargha azraq iddiye xizmiti ishlep bolsimu, waxtinche bolsimu saqallirini alduriwetse bolaptiken, bu ezmetler haqiqaten uyghurni dunyagha tunutti hem tunutidu, dunya xelqi ularni korse 20 milyun uyghur xelqini korgendek boldu,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Unregistered
13-06-09, 06:10
nimandaq set saqal qoyiwalghandu bular, ademning qoqusini kelturup.

saqal koyush islam dinida sunnet dep qarilidu. peyghember eleyhissalammu saqal qoyghan. u uyghur balilar hayatini allah yolida pida qilishqa atighan ezimetler bolghachqa islam dinigha uyghun yashaymiz dep saqal qoyghan bolishimi mumkin.
islam dinida saqal qoymighanlar gunahkar bolidu. shu saqalni kurup qusqusi kelgen imani kurutlap ketken melunlar qiyamet kuni saqal qoyghanlarni meshire qilghanliki uchun qattiq jazagha tartilidu.

tarihtin buyan sherqiy turkistanning azatliqi uchun jan birip shehid bolup kelgenler ene shundaq saqalliq imani mustehkem wijdani oyghaq dindar oghlanlardur.
ular ni meshire qilghanlar allahning ghezipige yoluqidu. allah jajisi bersun.

Unregistered
13-06-09, 07:00
Halakara matbuatlarda bu ballarning sakili togirlik gap kilgini yok, hakiki oz arkinligi uchunla kurash kilganligi ispatlangachka shunga insanparwarlik supiti bilan hamma orpa aditini hormat kiliwatidu, ular musulmannlarning sakall koyidigini bizdin obdan bilidu wa hormat kilidu shunga sizning ishingiz bolmisu sakili bir yiringizga takashmigandin kiyin ular shimali amerka madinyitini korgini amdi 1 kun boldi aldirmng <

Unregistered
13-06-09, 08:21
Musulmandarchiliq hergiz saqal-burut bilenla olchenmeydu.

Hazir bu qerindashlirimizning aghzigha dunya metbuatliri qarashliq. Ular bu pursetni ching turup, saqal-burutini yaxshiraq yasap, kastum-burulka kiyip muxbirlarni kutuwelish yighinidin birni chaqirip Sherqiy Turkistanning azatliqigha paydiliqraq gerplerni qilip dunya metbuatlirida ghulghula qozghighidek geplerni qilsa bolatti... UAA we DUQ tiki alaqidar xadimlar bu heqte yaxshiraq terbiye we teshwiqat ishligen bolsa...


Bu pursetni ching tutush kerek.

Unregistered
13-06-09, 08:42
saqal koyush islam dinida sunnet dep qarilidu. peyghember eleyhissalammu saqal qoyghan. u uyghur balilar hayatini allah yolida pida qilishqa atighan ezimetler bolghachqa islam dinigha uyghun yashaymiz dep saqal qoyghan bolishimi mumkin.
islam dinida saqal qoymighanlar gunahkar bolidu. shu saqalni kurup qusqusi kelgen imani kurutlap ketken melunlar qiyamet kuni saqal qoyghanlarni meshire qilghanliki uchun qattiq jazagha tartilidu.

tarihtin buyan sherqiy turkistanning azatliqi uchun jan birip shehid bolup kelgenler ene shundaq saqalliq imani mustehkem wijdani oyghaq dindar oghlanlardur.
ular ni meshire qilghanlar allahning ghezipige yoluqidu. allah jajisi bersun.

Shu sendek adamlar uygurlarning aki putuni soraysan. sakal koy, namaz uku, musulman bol dep.

bizga shu musulmandaqilik nima akiliwatidu? hiqnima. dolitimizno elip badimu?, yak.
elip beramdu? namaz ukuwersang, hudadin telawarsang beramdu? barmaydu.
kandak kilsang beridu? oz kuqunga tayni korash kilsang yake sawabini kilsang beridu.

Uyghur digan isim bilan kiilsang beridu. man musulman disang hek kokaydu. qunki, terroristning hammisi ashu musulmandin qikiwatidu.

Unregistered
13-06-09, 09:50
Kotingizge urupla yalghan gep tapmang. Undaqta Afghanistandin bashqa yerdiki Musulman Erlerning 90% gunakarken de? Arab dunyasidiki ereplerge, Iranliqlargha qarang, mutleq kop sandikilirining saqili yoq, hetta Saudi Erbistandikilermu shundaq. Men baridighan mechitning imami saqilini mendin pakiz qirip yuruydu, namazgha kilidighan erep, pakistanliq, turklerning hech birining saqili yoq. Siz hoten yaki qeshqerning yizzillirda mal beqip yurup Islam dinining merkizi bolghan erep dunyasidiki musulmanlardinmu kopni bulidighan musulman bolup kitipsiz de? Afghanistan Afriqining sirtidiki eng namrat, eng weyran memliket, nopusining 20% laghgirlarda haywanmu yashimaydighan shara'itlarda yashaydu. Ular uchun ustura elishmu asan emes, shunga saqal petiwasini chiqarghandu. Afghanlarning nurghun qiliqliri dini emes belki ularning mediyitidin kilip chiqqan. Bizning mediyitimiz ulardin peqlik, ularni doraymiz dep hazirqi derdimiz yetmigendek ularning palaket mediniyitining derdini tartip olturmayli. Afghanlar ozlirining musteqil dowliti bolsimu hech rawaj tapalmay urush ichidila otken helq, huda qaghiwetken helqlerning biri. Bizning musteqilliqimiz bolsa hergiz u meynet, sawatsiz qalaqlarni dorimaymiz. Doraymen digen saranglarning tanawini ming gez tartimiz.



saqal koyush islam dinida sunnet dep qarilidu. peyghember eleyhissalammu saqal qoyghan. u uyghur balilar hayatini allah yolida pida qilishqa atighan ezimetler bolghachqa islam dinigha uyghun yashaymiz dep saqal qoyghan bolishimi mumkin.
islam dinida saqal qoymighanlar gunahkar bolidu. shu saqalni kurup qusqusi kelgen imani kurutlap ketken melunlar qiyamet kuni saqal qoyghanlarni meshire qilghanliki uchun qattiq jazagha tartilidu.

tarihtin buyan sherqiy turkistanning azatliqi uchun jan birip shehid bolup kelgenler ene shundaq saqalliq imani mustehkem wijdani oyghaq dindar oghlanlardur.
ular ni meshire qilghanlar allahning ghezipige yoluqidu. allah jajisi bersun.

Unregistered
13-06-09, 10:44
Qongamda Ishtan Yoq Itim Majanbu digen Mushken de......

Unregistered
13-06-09, 10:46
Qongamda Ishtan Yoq Itim Majanbu digen Mushken de......





Afghanistandin bashqa yerdiki Musulman Erlerning 90% gunakarken de? Arab dunyasidiki ereplerge, Iranliqlargha qarang, mutleq kop sandikilirining saqili yoq, hetta Saudi Erbistandikilermu shundaq. Men baridighan mechitning imami saqilini mendin pakiz qirip yuruydu, namazgha kilidighan erep, pakistanliq, turklerning hech birining saqili yoq. Siz hoten yaki qeshqerning yizzillirda mal beqip yurup Islam dinining merkizi bolghan erep dunyasidiki musulmanlardinmu kopni bulidighan musulman bolup kitipsiz de? Afghanistan Afriqining sirtidiki eng namrat, eng weyran memliket, nopusining 20% laghgirlarda haywanmu yashimaydighan shara'itlarda yashaydu. Ular uchun ustura elishmu asan emes, shunga saqal petiwasini chiqarghandu. Afghanlarning nurghun qiliqliri dini emes belki ularning mediyitidin kilip chiqqan. Bizning mediyitimiz ulardin peqlik, ularni doraymiz dep hazirqi derdimiz yetmigendek ularning palaket mediniyitining derdini tartip olturmayli. Afghanlar ozlirining musteqil dowliti bolsimu hech rawaj tapalmay urush ichidila otken helq, huda qaghiwetken helqlerning biri. Bizning musteqilliqimiz bolsa hergiz u meynet, sawatsiz qalaqlarni dorimaymiz. Doraymen digen saranglarning tanawini ming gez tartimiz.[/QUOTE]

Unregistered
13-06-09, 10:49
islam dinida saqal qoymasliq gunah digen gepingiz putunley sepsete islam dinini qalaymiqan qilmang

Unregistered
13-06-09, 11:15
Shu sendek adamlar uygurlarning aki putuni soraysan. sakal koy, namaz uku, musulman bol dep.

bizga shu musulmandaqilik nima akiliwatidu? hiqnima. dolitimizno elip badimu?, yak.
elip beramdu? namaz ukuwersang, hudadin telawarsang beramdu? barmaydu.
kandak kilsang beridu? oz kuqunga tayni korash kilsang yake sawabini kilsang beridu.

Uyghur digan isim bilan kiilsang beridu. man musulman disang hek kokaydu. qunki, terroristning hammisi ashu musulmandin qikiwatidu.

Hay man sanga dab koyay !!!!! ularning sakili sanga putlashtimu?ular turmidiki waktida shu halette turub watann millatka payda yatkuzgan ,san agar bu ketemki kurultayga katnashkan birsi bolsang man sanga qatallik birsinging << musulman bolganlikinglarden hijil bolmanglar hiristan yahudiga ohshaxla man musulman dawerishinglar lazim >> digan . buni obdan oyla . alla wa halik ara insan hakliri hitabnamisi bargan mukaddas hokukni san tartwalmakqimu?? sining qa ular sanga ohshax harak iqip bar paskashlikni kilib watan dawasi kilsa bolidikan ha ????? sini mini yaratkuqiga arzimisak watan tugul watanning bir teshinimu barmaydu!!!!!!!! san kariganda OBAMAden mu qongkur oylaydikansan!

Unregistered
13-06-09, 11:23
Uyghurlarda we Afghanistanning sirtidiki bashqa musulmanlarda undaq namrat diwanilarche set saqal qoyidighan qayde yoq. Saqal qoysangmu yarashturup tuzuk qoymamsen oysizler lagirida ustirgha chiqinalmaydighan namrat diwanilardek changga saqal qoymay. Afghanlarning poqini yigen ishitmu ming yil qawap ach qelip olidu, ular dunyadiki eng terbiye kormigen, mektep yuzi kormigen millet, shunga dunyadiki eng namrat dowlet. dorisangmu ademning qusqisini kelturmey tuzukrek bir musulmanlarni dorimamsen?



Hay man sanga dab koyay !!!!! ularning sakili sanga putlashtimu?ular turmidiki waktida shu halette turub watann millatka payda yatkuzgan ,san agar bu ketemki kurultayga katnashkan birsi bolsang man sanga qatallik birsinging << musulman bolganlikinglarden hijil bolmanglar hiristan yahudiga ohshaxla man musulman dawerishinglar lazim >> digan . buni obdan oyla . alla wa halik ara insan hakliri hitabnamisi bargan mukaddas hokukni san tartwalmakqimu?? sining qa ular sanga ohshax harak iqip bar paskashlikni kilib watan dawasi kilsa bolidikan ha ????? sini mini yaratkuqiga arzimisak watan tugul watanning bir teshinimu barmaydu!!!!!!!! san kariganda OBAMAden mu qongkur oylaydikansan!

Unregistered
13-06-09, 12:16
Hey Uyghur sen Uyghur sen ,
Afghanchilik Emes sen.
Xoraz Bolup Chillay sen,
Mikyan Chlik Emes Sen.





Uyghurlarda we Afghanistanning sirtidiki bashqa musulmanlarda undaq namrat diwanilarche set saqal qoyidighan qayde yoq. Saqal qoysangmu yarashturup tuzuk qoymamsen oysizler lagirida ustirgha chiqinalmaydighan namrat diwanilardek changga saqal qoymay. Afghanlarning poqini yigen ishitmu ming yil qawap ach qelip olidu, ular dunyadiki eng terbiye kormigen, mektep yuzi kormigen millet, shunga dunyadiki eng namrat dowlet. dorisangmu ademning qusqisini kelturmey tuzukrek bir musulmanlarni dorimamsen?

Unregistered
13-06-09, 12:19
Chet'ellerde kop sandiki dangliq alimlar we bashqa kishiler saqal qoyup yuridu , u balining saqili bir yeringge taqashtimu , hey nadan tersa .


QUOTE=Unregistered;55933]Musulmandarchiliq hergiz saqal-burut bilenla olchenmeydu.

Hazir bu qerindashlirimizning aghzigha dunya metbuatliri qarashliq. Ular bu pursetni ching turup, saqal-burutini yaxshiraq yasap, kastum-burulka kiyip muxbirlarni kutuwelish yighinidin birni chaqirip Sherqiy Turkistanning azatliqigha paydiliqraq gerplerni qilip dunya metbuatlirida ghulghula qozghighidek geplerni qilsa bolatti... UAA we DUQ tiki alaqidar xadimlar bu heqte yaxshiraq terbiye we teshwiqat ishligen bolsa...


Bu pursetni ching tutush kerek.[/QUOTE]

Unregistered
14-06-09, 05:21
Sakal koysa ozining ixi. Birak Uyghurning orup aditida undak sakal osturiwalidighan ixmu yok. Man adamning yuzidiki tukni osturiwelixining jannat - dozak bilan munasiwatlik ikanligidin gumanliniman. Bu yigitlar usta tarjiman arkilik muhbirlargha yahxi sozlaptu. Amma u sakallar bilan Uyhgurgha ohximay kaptu.

Unregistered
15-06-09, 06:18
hichkim ularning saqilini eliwetsun peqetla saqal qoymisun digini yoq, yarishimlik qoyiwalsun dimekchi. undak yuzini körelmigidekla qoyiwalamdu.

Unregistered
15-06-09, 08:15
bu adamlar saqallirini ostursa shahsi zagaqliriga ozliri haliship osturoptu, yana kilip bu saqa biznig hich qandaq yirimizga sanjilgini yoq.taqashmidi bizga nima dap ularnig saqalliriga yamishimiz? yaki selar ularnig haqlap nikahlap algan hutunlirimu? bir chaglarda minig ayalimmu manga(saqiligizni eliwiting bak sanjilip hapa qilde) dap awara qilgan edi.

towwa dayman bu ahlaq digannig asiri yoq qilin kishilar ekansila qilin bolganliginglardingu silarnig tiringlarni saqal tiship chiqalmigan, shugimu saqalsiz sela.
bir kimnig shaksi birnimisigamu esliwalidegan hajap maynat satirachlar ekansila.
agzimni buzguzmay kutanglini qisiwilingla bolmisa man qisammigan kutangliga sawza tiqiwitima

Unregistered
15-06-09, 08:36
ozini bilip ozginig shaqsi ishliriga qaysi pasonda yasinishiga arlashmasliqtak, addi bir ahlaq chigrisidin halqip otkan kishilarga yuqarqidak til ahanatlar azliq qilidu.
biz musulman bulushtin milli millatchi bulushtinmu elgiri adam bulishimiz kirak,adam bulushnig asasliq muhim shartlirinig biri ahlaq chigrisidin halqip katmaslik.

Unregistered
15-06-09, 08:50
bu shunche bek taliship ketkidek temimiken?

bir xitay 9 yashliq uyghur qizgha basqunchiliq qilsa bunchilik ghulghula bolmighanti, bu temidiki wetenperwerler ademni oygha selip qoydiya?

Unregistered
15-06-09, 18:54
bu shunche bek taliship ketkidek temimiken?

bir xitay 9 yashliq uyghur qizgha basqunchiliq qilsa bunchilik ghulghula bolmighanti, bu temidiki wetenperwerler ademni oygha selip qoydiya?

uyghur digen shu,singillirini sikip yusa, bashqilarning saqili bilen bop qaptu, nima kari bashqilarning saqili bilen hamma insan ozi bilgenni qilidu, hey abga uyghur,bashqilarning saqili nima karingla, oshkidek osturemdu yaki bashqa nersidek osturemdu, hotun kishilerdek uning saqili buning yana birar nersini gheywet qilip oltaghicha paydiliq ish yaki paydiliq gep qilsangla bolmamdu....................

Unregistered
15-06-09, 19:44
Eghizni buzup tillashning hajiti barmu? Saqili toghruluq teklip bergenlermu uzining koz qarishida u ballargha kongul bulup, ulargha yahshi bolsun dep dewatidu. Arimizda yene minglighan Uyghurlar bar, ular Guantanamodiki ballar nime qilsa hiyaligha kiripmu qoymay oz ishi bilen eware, nime bolsa bolmamdu mining nimemti ular deydu. Undaq ademlerge qarighanda saqilinglarni eliwetsenglar yahshi bollatti digenler yahshiraq emesmu? Ularning ohshimighan pikiri bolghachqa tillap toyghuzup qoyish kirekmu? Isingizde bolsun u ballar aldinqi 8-10 yillarda yaki Afghanistanning taghlirida yaki turmide otkizdi, tashqi dunyani chushenmeydu, shunga bashqilarning yol korsitishige muhtaj, ozlirining menpeti we Uyghurlarning menpeti uchun. Anglap halisa qobul qilidu, halimisa oz iddiyeside qalidu, ozliri halimisa hechkim ularni sorep setirachhanigha echiqip aldurwitelmeydu. Oz-ara tillishishning ehmiyiti barmu?



uyghur digen shu,singillirini sikip yusa, bashqilarning saqili bilen bop qaptu, nima kari bashqilarning saqili bilen hamma insan ozi bilgenni qilidu, hey abga uyghur,bashqilarning saqili nima karingla, oshkidek osturemdu yaki bashqa nersidek osturemdu, hotun kishilerdek uning saqili buning yana birar nersini gheywet qilip oltaghicha paydiliq ish yaki paydiliq gep qilsangla bolmamdu....................

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15-06-09, 20:34
ajayip insanlirimiz bar hahning azaliridin qusruq qikirip baha beridighan. mana amdi silap qoyay disingizmu yok boptu.

Unregistered
16-06-09, 04:06
bax batka karisanglar ularning sakalirini aldurup pakiz quxkan rasimini qekiriptu. Ular kilixkan Uyghur yigitliri bopkaptu. Ular bilan koruxup mungdixip kilix kirek.

Unregistered
17-06-09, 02:47
Bu yerde oz ara tillixip yurgiqe, etiwetsek bolamdu nime bu munazire meydanini.
Hejep tillixip ketiptu nurghun kixiler.

Unregistered
17-12-09, 06:38
all the posts are not in English so I am not learning anything. I am a Bermudian. I have read the article. I have lived the controversy. Bermudians are big hearted - we have no issue with these 4 men. We understand that they cannot be released back to China, but there is great bitterness about the way the matter was dealt with. Many say that the Premier was acting for his own benefit and was seeking clemency for his son who facing charges in California for sexual molestation.

http://www.bermudapolice.com/kevin_brown.htm

Many also are confused about why the US did not take them in since it appears that they invaded their camp and imprisoned them. It seems the US is not taking responsibility for its actions.

But that is in the past and they are here now. We will accept that they have been victims.

Unregistered
17-12-09, 09:37
Thanks very much for Bermudians to accept the Uyghurs. We will never forget the help and appreciate your understanding of the Uyghurs' current plight.

Unregistered
17-12-09, 09:59
Thanks very much for Bermudians to accept the Uyghurs. We will never forget the help and appreciate your understanding of the Uyghurs' current plight.

Bu meydanda kesten birsi oyun oynawatidu. otup ketken timini bu yerge kaytidin qikirip.

Unregistered
17-12-09, 10:53
Shu sendek adamlar uygurlarning aki putuni soraysan. sakal koy, namaz uku, musulman bol dep.

bizga shu musulmandaqilik nima akiliwatidu? hiqnima. dolitimizno elip badimu?, yak.
elip beramdu? namaz ukuwersang, hudadin telawarsang beramdu? barmaydu.
kandak kilsang beridu? oz kuqunga tayni korash kilsang yake sawabini kilsang beridu.

Uyghur digan isim bilan kiilsang beridu. man musulman disang hek kokaydu. qunki, terroristning hammisi ashu musulmandin qikiwatidu.

san bir murtad hayvankansanghu

Unregistered
17-12-09, 10:59
Kotingizge urupla yalghan gep tapmang. Undaqta Afghanistandin bashqa yerdiki Musulman Erlerning 90% gunakarken de? Arab dunyasidiki ereplerge, Iranliqlargha qarang, mutleq kop sandikilirining saqili yoq, hetta Saudi Erbistandikilermu shundaq. Men baridighan mechitning imami saqilini mendin pakiz qirip yuruydu, namazgha kilidighan erep, pakistanliq, turklerning hech birining saqili yoq. Siz hoten yaki qeshqerning yizzillirda mal beqip yurup Islam dinining merkizi bolghan erep dunyasidiki musulmanlardinmu kopni bulidighan musulman bolup kitipsiz de? Afghanistan Afriqining sirtidiki eng namrat, eng weyran memliket, nopusining 20% laghgirlarda haywanmu yashimaydighan shara'itlarda yashaydu. Ular uchun ustura elishmu asan emes, shunga saqal petiwasini chiqarghandu. Afghanlarning nurghun qiliqliri dini emes belki ularning mediyitidin kilip chiqqan. Bizning mediyitimiz ulardin peqlik, ularni doraymiz dep hazirqi derdimiz yetmigendek ularning palaket mediniyitining derdini tartip olturmayli. Afghanlar ozlirining musteqil dowliti bolsimu hech rawaj tapalmay urush ichidila otken helq, huda qaghiwetken helqlerning biri. Bizning musteqilliqimiz bolsa hergiz u meynet, sawatsiz qalaqlarni dorimaymiz. Doraymen digen saranglarning tanawini ming gez tartimiz.

akilsiz hayvan xu san kamsitkan millat dunyadiki atalmix ang kuqluk davlatlarni yar qixlitivatidu kurimiz inxa allah kim kimning tanavini ming gez tartidikin.

Unregistered
17-12-09, 21:52
Dear Tim,

Each time I see reporters, researchers, authors alike refer Uyghurs as "Chinese Muslims", I feel a shame. As a Researcher, Reporter and Journalist, you should do your home work before put your ideas in context; At least about the Uyghurs. Just wish to let you know that Uyghurs are not "Chinese Muslims", there is no such a thing as "Chinese Muslims" in relation to Uyghurs or East Turkistan, unless you referring 'Hui, or Tungan' as Chinese Muslims. Arnt' you do at least a 'google search' on the subject/people that you wish to write about? Or is there any 'instruction' or 'guidance' for you to write Uyghrs as 'Chinese muslims'?

Long live for truth and true journalism!


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Welcome to paradise: The four Chinese Muslims spent years in harsh captivity - and years more in political limbo - before Bermuda offered them a home. The men understandably say they are delighted to be here.


6/12/2009 11:20:00 AM
Diplomatic firestorm
Fury in China and U.K. as BDA goes out on a limb to accept Guantanamo detainees
Bermuda has been thrust into an international political firestorm by allowing four former prisoners of Guantanamo Bay to take refuge on the island. The move is likely to garner favour with President Obama, who has been desperate to find homes for former inmates after promising to close Guantanamo by January.
However, the Chinese government is furious, and says the U.S. should extradite what it calls "suspected terrorists" to China. The British Government, and Governor Sir Richard Gozney, are also less than impressed, and say Bermuda should have consulted with them before giving the four men a home.


Welcome to paradise: The four Chinese Muslims spent years in harsh captivity - and years more in political limbo - before Bermuda offered them a home. The men understandably say they are delighted to be here.

"We were not involved in the negotiations, and we should have been. The Government of Bermuda should have consulted Government House at every stage and through me the British government. They didn't do that. This is an issue that goes far wider than these four individuals. We now need to assess these four individuals." He said London has launched urgent talks with Washington yesterday.
The Justice Department in the States insists it has done full checks on the men's background and character and is convinced they have never been involved in terrorism. Three years ago, the four prisoners were among those cleared by an American court of fighting U.S. troops. Since then, over 100 countries have refused to give them asylum, partly through fear of angering China.
However, Sir Richard said the assessments on the men needed to be done by Britain before they were allowed into Bermuda: "These men are on British territory. Our view is that [the assessments] need to be done by Bermuda and Britain and we can't rely on a third party assessment. If we are taking four people from Guantanamo, clearly there is a security issue there, and we need to know we have done our homework." Sir Richard said only yesterday was Government House given the paperwork for the four men. He said: "Now we have started to do that homework, and we can do it quickly. But it should have been done before now. It would have been had we been involved from the start."
The four men - named as Abdul Nasser, Huzaifa Parhat, Abdul Semet and Jalal Jalaladin - are members of the Uighur Muslim ethnic sect. The Chinese claim they were part of an army fighting for independence in the northwest of the country.
Sir Richard said the men are not just refugees, they are political refugees and a special case both because of their country of origin and where they were held in prison. He said the political ramifications are huge, as evidenced by the fact that no other countries have previously come forward to house them. "That's why they have been trapped in Guantanamo," said Sir Richard.
'An immigration issue'
Premier Ewart Brown said last night that it was not Britain's place to get involved at all. He said the Bermuda Government is viewing it as an immigration issue - which falls to the Government - as opposed to a foreign affairs and security issue - which falls to the Governor. He also denied that Bermudians should have been kept informed of the plan so that they could challenge it if they felt uncomfortable. He said the plan would have ground to a halt if the public had been involved. He said: "You can see why the talks have to be private and somewhat restricted...Otherwise it wouldn't have been able to happen."
He also addressed a concern shared by many Bermudians: why is the island offering housing and jobs to these men when there are so many on the island who are going without. Dr. Brown said: "We have our problems. We have our problems with or without these people, and we will continue to have our challenges without these four people." He said with 10,000 guest workers here, "four people isn't even a ripple in the water."
Bermudians are also asking: why can't the men be sent home? Experts point out that China has one of the worst human rights records in the world. The men would almost certainly be tortured and killed if they were sent home.
Dr. Brown said that meant Bermuda has a moral responsibility to give the men a home. The U.S. Government yesterday thanked the island for stepping in. Attorney General Eric Holder of the Justice Department said: "By helping accomplish the president's objective of closing Guantanamo, the transfer of these detainees will make America safer." He added that the department was "extremely grateful to the government of Bermuda for its assistance."
However, the Chinese Government has condemned the move. Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said: "The 17 Uigurs are members of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, which is on the United Nations list of terrorist groups and China holds the unswerving stand that the U.S. should stop handing over the terrorists to any third country, so as to expatriate them to China at an early date."



At a glance — the key questions
Will the men be under any restrictions in Bermuda?

No. They will be free members of society, helped to gain employment and found housing.

Government claim the men have "skills in the mechanical trade" and at least two speak good English.

The men will get the chance to "become naturalized Bermudians". The only restriction on them will be travel - they must get clearance from foreign authorities before traveling to the U.S. or U.K.

Why were the men sent to Guantanamo in the first place?

They were living in a self-contained camp in Afghanistan when the U.S. invasion began in October 2001.

American troops rounded up anyone they thought was an enemy combatant. The prisoners claimed they had fled to Afghanistan to avoid persecution as Muslims in their own country.

After more than four years in Guantanamo Bay, an American court found they were not enemy combatants and cleared of all wrongdoing.

Why can't the men be sent back to China?

The Chinese believe they were part of a Muslim guerilla army fighting for independence in the northwest of the country. This has not been proved.

China has an appalling human rights record and the men would be unlikely to receive a fair trial. Instead, they would likely be tortured and executed.

Why aren't these men given a home in the States, since it was America who locked them up?

An original plan to take the men to Virginia met with fierce opposition from Congress.

At one point, the Justice Department argued they should never be admitted into the country because they "sought to wage terror" in China.

A district judge ruled the men should be freed in the States, only to be overruled by an appeals court, which said the judge had assumed too much power. That final ruling left the men in legal limbo.

Why have so many other countries declined to take the men?

It may have been simply that there are few political points to be won giving a home to former suspected terrorists.

Just as importantly, countries have been wary of making enemies of China.

"Bermuda just stepped up and did it, God bless them," said P. Sabin Willett, a lawyer for the four men. "They have put the bigger countries to shame."

What does Bermuda get out of the deal?

According to reports, Palau, a Pacific island that is taking 13 more former prisoners, was being offered hundreds of millions of dollars in aid money as a sweetener.

It does not appear that Bermuda will benefit from any such payment. Instead, the U.S. has agreed only to pay for all costs related to the relocation and resettlement of the men.

The most important boon to Bermuda may be the goodwill generated with President Obama, at a time when governments around the world are looking to clamp down on low-tax jurisdictions.

Research by Tim Hall