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Uyghur News
09-06-09, 13:03
Töwendiki Birleshme Agéntliqining xewiridi eytilishiche, Amérika GITMO Uyghurlirini Jenubi Téch Okyandiki Palau digen aral dölitige orunlashturushni oylishiwétiptu:

US eyes South Pacific to resettle Uighur detainees


WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration is in talks with the remote South Pacific island nation of Palau to resettle a group of Chinese Muslims now held at the Guantanamo Bay detention center, The Associated Press has learned.

As they attempt to fulfill President Barack Obama's order to close the Guantanamo facility by early next year, administration officials are looking to Palau to accept some or all of the 17 Uighur detainees due to fierce congressional opposition to releasing them on U.S. soil, officials said.

A federal judge ordered them released, but an appeals court halted the order, and they have been in legal limbo ever since. Thus far no country has agreed to take any of the 17 individuals.

Three U.S. officials familiar with the situation said, however, that Palau is now a prime candidate for their relocation.

Palau, with a population of about 20,000, is an archipelago of eight main islands plus more than 250 islets that is best known for diving and tourism and is located some 500 miles east of the Philippines in the Pacific Ocean.

"We have spoken with the Palauans, but neither they nor we have made any decisions," said one senior official. That official and two others spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the talks.

Two of the officials said the U.S. was prepared to give Palau up to $200 million in development, budget support and other assistance in return for accepting the Uighurs.

The third official did not deny that a significant amount of money would be involved. But the official denied it would be a direct transfer to the Palau government.

The U.S. will not send the Uighurs back to China for fear they will be tortured or executed. Beijing says Uighur insurgents are leading an Islamic separatist movement in China's far west and wants those held at Guantanamo to be returned to China.

In 2006, Albania accepted five Uighur detainees from Guantanamo but has since balked at taking others, partly for fear of diplomatic repercussions from China. Palau is one of a handful of mainly Pacific island, Latin American and African countries that does not recognize China and maintains diplomatic relations with Taiwan.

The State Department said last week that Daniel Fried, the career diplomat who was named earlier this year by Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton to oversee Guantanamo's closure, had visited Palau but offered no details on his mission. Fried has been negotiating with third countries to accept many of the Guantanamo detainees.

State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said Fried had visited Australia and Palau as part of a tour of the Pacific. The three officials said Fried had been discussing the disposition of Uighurs.

Australia has already twice rejected U.S. appeals to resettle the Uighurs, but its foreign minister said late last month it would consider a new request to take in 10 Uighurs. The previous requests were turned down on immigration and security criteria and it is not clear if a new Australian review of the Uighurs would have different results.

Justice Department spokesman Matt Miller declined to comment and an official at the Embassy of Palau in Washington said he had no information about the negotiations.

A former U.S. trust territory in the Pacific, Palau has retained close ties with the United States since independence in 1994 when it signed a Free Compact of Association with the U.S.

While it is independent, it relies heavily on U.S. aid and is dependent on the United States for its defense. Native-born Palauans are allowed to enter the United States without passports or visas.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


09-06-09, 14:54
Ular shundaq tashlanduq bolup kitermu? U yer Albaniyedin kop osal yer emesmu. Hichkim tilini bilmise?

09-06-09, 15:48
Bir Gitmo'din yene bir Gitmo'gha yotkeydiken-de

U aral dolitige 200 Milyon doller bergiche Turkiyedek doletke berse shu pulni 17 Uyghurning hemmisini biraqla alatti bolghiytti

eger shu aral bu Uyghurlarni alsa 200 milyon beridiken.

09-06-09, 21:09
Turkiyege berse 200 million tugigende ularni hittaygha 20,000 dollargha satidu. Ular u adem yoq aralgha barghandin Guantanamoda turghini yahshi. Haman bir kuni ularni alidighan bir dowlet chiqidu.

Bir Gitmo'din yene bir Gitmo'gha yotkeydiken-de

U aral dolitige 200 Milyon doller bergiche Turkiyedek doletke berse shu pulni 17 Uyghurning hemmisini biraqla alatti bolghiytti

eger shu aral bu Uyghurlarni alsa 200 milyon beridiken.

10-06-09, 01:38
Turkiyege berse 200 million tugigende ularni hittaygha 20,000 dollargha satidu. Ular u adem yoq aralgha barghandin Guantanamoda turghini yahshi. Haman bir kuni ularni alidighan bir dowlet chiqidu.

Ularning u yerge barmaymen, deydighan heqqi barmiken? tallash hoquqi barmiken?

Ularni qobul qilishni xalaydighan doletler chiqsa, mesilen Germaniye, Amerika berishni xalimidighu?

Turkiyege berse, belki siz oylighandin ming hesse yaxshi. bu digenlik Turkiyeni maxtighinimmu emes, biraq hazir iwetidighan doletting ming hesse yaxshi idi.

Siyasette achchiqlinishni yaki mazlishishni biraz chetke qaqsaq danaliq bolarmikin?

demokratiye bar dep ishtinini seliwetse, set turarmikina?

10-06-09, 13:50
Metbuatta oqughanning hemmisi rast emes. Amerika qobul qilidu digen sozmu hemme yerde metbuatlarda aqqan idi.

Uyghur News
10-06-09, 17:06
Pacific State of Palau Says It Will Accept Uighur Detainees From Guantanamo
By David Gollust
10 June 2009

The Pacific island state of Palau said Wednesday it has agreed to resettle 17 Chinese Uighur detainees from the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, which is to close by year's-end. The Obama administration welcomed the statement, though saying details of the transfer are still being worked out.

The announcement by authorities in Palau, a Pacific island state east of the Philippines, would appear to resolve one of the thorniest resettlement issues stemming from the Obama administration's plan to close the controversial Guantanamo Bay facility by the end of the year.


The Uighur detainees were part of a group of 22 members of the Chinese Muslim ethnic group taken into custody by American forces in Afghanistan after the U.S.-led invasion of the country following the 9/11, 2001 terrorist attacks in New York and Washington.

The Uighurs were cleared of wrongdoing four years ago, but they remained at the camp at the U.S. Navy base in Cuba out of concern they would face mistreatment if returned to China. Five of the Uighurs were accepted by Albania three years ago but efforts to resettle the others had been unsuccessful until this week.

Officials in Palau, a U.S.-administered territory until 1994, said they agreed to temporarily take in the 17 Uighurs for humanitarian reasons and because of the special relationship between the United States and the island nation, which is heavily dependent on U.S. aid.

At a news briefing here, State Department Spokesman Ian Kelly said the United States is grateful to Palau for the gesture, though he said details of the transfer are still being worked out.

"We have been in discussions with Palau. We're very grateful to governments who have expressed an interest in being helpful, and we express our gratitude to the government of Palau as well. I think you've all seen the statement that came out of the government of Palau. But we're still involved in ongoing discussions, so it's premature for us to go into the details," he said.

Spokesman Kelly said former Assistant Secretary of State Dan Fried, named by the Obama administration as a special envoy for resettling Guantanamo detainees, held talks in Palau on the Uighurs' status in recent days.

He flatly rejected published reports linking Palau's acceptance of the Uighurs to a pending $200 million U.S. aid package to the island group. U.S. officials say the multi-year aid plan has been under negotiation for several years, long before any discussions on the detainees.

China has pressed for the return of the Uighurs, while denying they would face mistreatment if handed over. Advocates for the Uighurs, who mainly reside in the western Chinese region of Xinjiang, say they have long suffered political and religious persecution there.

More than 30 other Guantanamo detainees no longer viewed by U.S. officials as enemy combatants must also be resettled in advance of the closure of the detention facility and special envoy Fried and other U.S. officials are engaged in wide-ranging diplomatic contacts on the issue.

Uyghur News
10-06-09, 17:14
June 10, 2009, 3:41 pm
Uighur Problem
By Eric Etheridge

“And so ends a demagoguery-laced vignette from the Age of Terrorism,” writes Spencer Ackerman today of the deal to send most or all of the 17 Uighur detainees — “whom the Bush administration no longer considered enemy combatants” — from Guantanamo to the Pacfic island nation Palau.

Having no basis under which to detain the Uighurs, and being prevented from sending them back to China where they’d likely be tortured, both the Bush and the Obama administrations had little idea what to do with the Uighurs. Some in the Uighur community in Northern Virginia initially agreed to take in the detainees, but that proposal met loud objections from Republican members of Congress — joined by fearful Virgina Democratic politicians like Sen. Jim Webb — who transmogrified the freeing of the Uighurs into an imaginary Obama administration plot to have Khalid Shaikh Mohammed rent the foreclosed house in your exurban cul-de-sac.

“One can’t blame Palau for taking the deal,” which reportedly includes $200 million in new U.S. aid, writes Ed Morrisey at Hot Air.

First, their entire GDP for 2008 was $164 million, according to the CIA Factbook. Over 85,000 tourists visited Palau and provided about $120 million of that. Now 17 Uighurs will come to Palau with $12 million each. If they’re truly rehabilitated, well, what a deal, right? Plus, Palau gets to stick a finger in Beijing’s eye; they don’t recognize the communist regime at all and have close ties to Taiwan.

Why Palau? At the New Republic, Jason Zengerle shares the analysis of an anonymous friend who has “deep knowledge” of the country: “It’s funny how perfect the whole thing is.”

It’s really not a very big amount of money for the US, they get this plus defense rights plus a UN vote whenever they need it (for a while every year there would be some Cuba UN vote with only Palau, the Marshall Islands and Israel joining the US). . . .

Meanwhile, Palau has no reason to avoid making China mad — they already recognize Taiwan, so China doesn’t like them anyway — which apparently was one of the big problems with some of the other possibilities. But it has a decent sized Chinese population (much of which is tied to the prostitution industry), and, best of all, the conversations between the Mormon missionaries who go over and the Uighurs will be epic (and would be an awesome reality show).

Like most of the issues emanating from Bush’s Global War on Terror, the response to the Uighurs’s situation breaks down along left-right lines, and there is no agreement on even the most basic issue of whether the Uighurs ever were a threat to anyone.

According to Thomas Joscelyn at the Weekly Standard, the Times story today leaves out crucial details about the detainees’ associations:

The Times blames the reticence of other foreign governments [to take the Uighurs] on pressure from Beijing. But, the Times does not mention that all 17 Uighur detainees are either members or associates of the Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement (also known as the Turkestan Islamic Party), a U.S. and UN-designated al Qaeda affiliate. Most of the Uighur detainees have admitted they were trained at ETIM/TIP training camps. And at least eight of them have admitted that Abdul Haq, a member of al Qaeda’s elite Shura council, ran the training camps where they learned to wage jihad.

Ed Morrisey thinks there is some risk to Palau citizens and tourists:

Of course, with a recidivism rate for released Gitmo detainees of around 14%, odds are that a couple of the Uighurs might not be quite as cuddly as Obama promises. Hopefully it will work out all right for Palau and its tourists, but if I were making decisions on expensive South Pacific vacations, I’d start looking elsewhere.

And at National Review, Jonah Goldberg says the whole “enemy combatant ‘problem’ can be understood like a toxic waste issue (and, no, I’m not trying to dehumanize these fairly inhuman people — they do that just fine on their own).”

My understanding is that in Superfund-type clean-ups is that the first 99% or so is pretty easy to take care of. You can process the material in some way or another safely. But that last bit (whether it’s the last 5% or the last .00005%) is very, very expensive to clean-up, often more expensive than the first 95%-99%. The prisoners at Gitmo are rapidly approaching the intractable percentage. Most of the Gitmo detainees have already been processed out. Those were the comparatively easy cases. Now we’re left with the really radioactive prisoners and nobody wants them in their backyard, in America or Europe. Just look at the comical lengths the Obama administration is going to to dump the Uighurs on some tiny pacific island (didn’t we litterally do the same thing with toxic waste for a time? Maybe we still do). And the Uighurs are a much easier case than the rest of the worst of the worst.

At Salon, Glen Greenwald has a different take. Responding to Morrisey’s concerns about the safety of travel to Palua, he writes: “It’s hard to put into words how inebriated with irrational fear someone has to be in order to be so scared of 17 Uighurs — who were never guilty of anything — that they would avoid traveling to whatever place this handful of persecuted individuals is located.”

But this is the right-wing movement at its core: its leaders cynically ratchet up fear levels as high as possible to justify whatever they want to do (invade Iraq, torture people, spy on Americans with no warrants) and their adherents (along with plenty of others) become more and more paralyzed by their fears of anything Muslim. This, after all, is the same faction that continues to shake with terror at the very idea that accused Terrorists will be brought to the U.S. — in handcuffs, imprisoned, and disappeared into super-max facilities. And it is the same faction that made accepting the Uighurs into the U.S. politically unpalatable by threatening legislation — The Keep Terrorists Out of America Act — that would bar their entrance.

Anonymous Liberal shares Greenwald’s point of view: “Conservative blogs are all mocking the Obama administration’s reported plan to resettle most of the 17 Uighur detainees.”

If you read their posts, there’s a disturbing lack of appreciation of the most important facts in this story. These men have nothing to do with al Qaeda. They are people who were turned over to the U.S. by bounty hunters and were subsequently declared, by the Bush administration, not to be enemy combatants. We, as a country, have no legal or moral basis for holding them at all. And yet they’ve been imprisoned in isolation for over seven years. . . .

That the plight of these men elicits precisely zero sympathy (indeed, it provokes laughter) from most supposedly freedom-loving conservatives in this county underscores the extent to which many conservatives have managed to dehumanize in their own minds the many foreigners whose lives are impacted by our policies.. . .

This is not a joke. These are real people. And many of them have been imprisoned without justification for the better part of a decade. If the Obama administration has managed to find a way to restore their freedom, that plan should be praised, not mocked.